View Full Version : Black Leaders Turn up the Heat on Obama
This is the most blatantly racist article I've ever read:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62284.html
If there’s anything close to a political certainty in 2012, it’s that Barack Obama will get more than 90 percent of the African-American vote.
But that doesn’t mean every black Obama supporter will vote for him happily — nor does it guarantee that turnout will approach the stratospheric levels of 2008, even though Obama needs a huge showing from his base to offset the expected loss of swing voters in states like North Carolina, Virginia and Pennsylvania.
With that in mind, prominent black leaders — fearing Obama is not only taking them for granted but avoiding them in public — have turned up the heat on the nation’s first African-American president, transforming all-in-the-family concerns into open criticism of the president at a time when they had hoped the completion of a monument to Martin Luther King Jr. near the National Mall would bring a moment of unity.
The leaders are tired, they say, of Obama dog-whistling his support for a broad black agenda rather than explicitly embracing the kind of war on racism, poverty and economic segregation embodied by King.
“You can spend a lot of time trying to win over white independents, but if you don’t pay attention to your base, African-Americans, if you have not locked up your base yet, you’ve got a serious problem,” said CNN contributor Roland Martin.
“African-Americans will vote for him again, 88, 92, 95 percent. The question is what’s the turnout? I’ll vote for you. But will I bring ten other people along, like I did in 2008? That’s the danger here for him. He doesn’t have the historical factor to lean on as much in 2012 as he did in 2008. … And the first step is that he has to be willing to speak to this audience, black people.”
In a striking turnabout for a president who has rewritten American racial history, Obama finds himself the target of criticism from the black cultural and political elite that has, for the most part, been leery of airing its disappointment.
The president is reportedly angry that African-American leaders aren’t crediting him for his hard-bought achievements that will especially help communities of color, including health care reform, aid to cities, student aid and protecting Medicaid.
“The whole thing is bull——. … We have met with [black leaders] more than any other group, and we are increasing our outreach,” said a person close to Obama.
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Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62284.html#ixzz1WWzuMhcX
1stindoor
08-30-2011, 13:22
This made me laugh...
“You can spend a lot of time trying to win over white independents, but if you don’t pay attention to your base, African-Americans, if you have not locked up your base yet, you’ve got a serious problem,”
Locked up your base??????????
"...................African-Americans, if you have not locked up your base yet,...................."
Aaaaaaaaaaa - slavery - slavery - slavery - racist comment - racist comment. Oh, wait, a black guy said it. It's OK then
Seriously folks, if a white guy had been talking about locking 'um up TSWHTF. Well, they are journalists so I guess they don't count as real people white or black. But if a conservative had said it.......................
PedOncoDoc
08-30-2011, 13:38
Locked up your base??????????
"...................African-Americans, if you have not locked up your base yet,...................."
Aaaaaaaaaaa - slavery - slavery - slavery - racist comment - racist comment. Oh, wait, a black guy said it. It's OK then
Seriously folks, if a white guy had been talking about locking 'um up TSWHTF. Well, they are journalists so I guess they don't count as real people white or black. But if a conservative had said it.......................
Don't forget the illegal alien vote! He;s actively trying not to lock them up.
This made me laugh...Same here, especially since the so-called base only makes up approx. 13% of the US population.:confused:
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Kyobanim
08-30-2011, 14:29
It's not racist unless a middle aged white says it. Come on you guys, you know the rules.
lol This whole thing's gonna flip over to "sexist' BS pretty quick, I think.
The economic health of the African American community in America is not only an issue for the POTUS and his political base, but has a collective impact on us all as a nation.
"The Pew Research Center analysis finds that, in percentage terms, the bursting of the housing market bubble in 2006 and the recession that followed from late 2007 to mid-2009 took a far greater toll on the wealth of minorities than whites. From 2005 to 2009, inflation-adjusted median wealth fell by 66% among Hispanic households and 53% among black households, compared with just 16% among white households. As a result of these declines, the typical black household had just $5,677 in wealth (assets minus debts) in 2009, the typical Hispanic household had $6,325 in wealth and the typical white household had $113,149."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/aug/24/donna-brazile/brazile-said-53-percent-black-wealth-has-disappear/
Richard :munchin
The economic health of the African American community in America is not only an issue for the POTUS and his political base, but has a collective impact on us all as a nation.Quit buying into the MSM BS; do some research on the Chicago's elite.......:munchin
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I remain hopeful that in the not too distant future, American conservatives will develop different ways to communicate about issues of concern to African Americans.
Ideally, the revised methods will be informed, respectful, and--ultimately--effective.
Otherwise, we'll continue to alienate a sizable contingent of Americans and push them towards the Democratic Party.
Who does your lawn - or - how bad are you doing in this economy?
I'd say around my majority minority middle class neighborhood here in Fayetteville the African Americans are doing as well as everyone else if not better.
I base that on my "Who does your lawn" survey. Of the 20ish homes on our block only 4 families do their own yards anymore. Me and three others. Everybody else, even the ones with young lads at home have lawn care service. My next door neighbor with a 23ish year old son at home has his lawn serviced.
Man, this is Fayetteville. The Pine straw ain't that hard to rake and weeds too tough to mow.
Who does your lawn - or - how bad are you doing in this economy?
I'd say around my majority minority middle class neighborhood here in Fayetteville the African Americans are doing as well as everyone else if not better.
I base that on my "Who does your lawn" survey. Of the 20ish homes on our block only 4 families do their own yards anymore. Me and three others. Everybody else, even the ones with young lads at home have lawn care service. My next door neighbor with a 23ish year old son at home has his lawn serviced.
Man, this is Fayetteville. The Pine straw ain't that hard to rake and weeds too tough to mow.I've been saying the above for YEARS!
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The U.S. Census Bureau's 2011 Statistical Abstract provides data that may be relevant to the developing conversation.
The entire section on income, wealth, and poverty is available here (http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/11statab/income.pdf). Individual tables in PDF and XLS format are available there (http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/income_expenditures_poverty_wealth.html).
Quit buying into the MSM BS; do some research on the Chicago's elite.......:munchin
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It's a BIG country and the issues - as well as both the existant and perceived dangers to the fabric of our society and its future - are real; reasonable solution(s), however, IMO are neither clear, certain, nor attainable without a collective national effort, a healthy national economy, and time.
Along those lines, there was an interesting discussion on banks and banking today, how important the industry is and how risk reliant it has become, and how it is affecting communities and business locally, regionally, nationally, and globally.
The Future of Banking in a Troubled Economy
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2011-08-30/future-banking-troubled-economy/transcript
Richard :munchin
The U.S. Census Bureau's 2011 Statistical Abstract provides data that may be relevant to the developing conversation.
The entire section on income, wealth, and poverty is available here (http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/11statab/income.pdf). Individual tables in PDF and XLS format are available there (http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/income_expenditures_poverty_wealth.html).You're looking at it on a "macro" level; there's several states I could care less about.:lifter
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The Reaper
08-30-2011, 17:50
Sigaba:
IMHO, I am not sure that the resources needed to change the minds of a significant percentage of black voters would be proportionately worthwhile.
Black voters have tended to stay with the Democrats, despite the tradition of racism and opposition of civil rights in the party. The destruction of the black family unit, conversion of huge numbers of constituents to welfare drones, abandonment of traditional Christian values, union support (at the cost of black employment), creation of the dependent underclass, etc. have not caused significant numbers of blacks to abandon the Dims.
The money might be better spent for outreach to the independents and Reagan Democrats who might be more easily swayed. Bang for the buck.
Certainly the policy changes which would cause people to abandon the Democratic party for the Republicans would erode the Republican base as well. Do we really need or want two liberal parties?
I could see working on the Hispanic vote, which is less monolithic, has more in common politically, and is increasing numbers of voters at a rate greater than the black community.
What issues do you think would resonate with both diverse communities? Is the black vote a bridge too far for Republicans?
IRT the original post, the black community will support Obama in some majority, more or less, regardless. OTOH, adopting/pandering to a radical, racially driven agenda in order to respond to a few extremist critics could further erode his base of white and Hispanic voters beyond his ability to recover. Pressure from black leaders merely puts the issue out in front of everyone and attracts, to my mind, unhelpful comparisons.
TR
Here's article that most missed: Chicago's black business leaders play a role in the POTUS rise (http://news.muckety.com/2008/05/28/chicagos-black-business-elite-play-major-role-in-obamas-rise/2921) Then track this graph....
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The "black" vote by itself can't nor didn't put the POTUS into office; his commanding and/or leaning of the MSM (which by far are mostly Liberal-Democrats) is what got him elected.
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greenberetTFS
08-30-2011, 18:46
Don't forget the illegal alien vote! He;s actively trying not to lock them up.
Absolutely,that's a hugh amount of the data base and "O" knows it!.............:eek:
Big Teddy :munchin
His an interesting site:
270towin.com (http://www.270towin.com/) is an interactive Electoral College map for 2012 and a history of Presidential elections in the United States. Since electoral votes are generally allocated on an "all or none" basis by state, the election of a U.S President is about winning the popular vote in enough states to achieve 270 electoral votes, a majority of the 538 that are available. It is not about getting the most overall popular votes, as we saw in the 2000 election, when the electoral vote winner (Bush) and the popular vote winner (Gore) were different.
Makes you wonder.....
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Sigaba:
IMHO, I am not sure that the resources needed to change the minds of black voters would be proportionately worthwhile.
Black voters have tended to stay with the Democrats, despite the tradition of racism and opposition of civil rights in the party. The destruction of the black family unit, conversion of huge numbers of constituents to welfare drones, abandonment of traditional Christian values, union support (at the cost of black employment), creation of the dependent underclass, etc. have not caused significant numbers of blacks to abandon the Dims.
The money might be better spent for outreach to the independents and Reagan Democrats who might be more easily swayed. Bang for the buck.
Certainly the policy changes which would cause people to abandon the Democratic party for the Republicans would erode the Republican base as well. Do we really need or want two liberal parties?
I could see working on the Hispanic vote, which is less monolithic, has more in common politically, and is increasing numbers of voters at a rate greater than the black community.
What issues do you think would resonate with both diverse communities? Is the black vote a bridge too far for Republicans?
TRTR--
I think the GOP could make headway among Latino and African American voters by focusing on foreign relations, poverty, health, education, crime, and "family values." IMO, we need to articulate solutions that address these issues that are empowering, de-centralized, localized, privately funded, fiscally responsible, historically aware, and culturally empathetic.
As we develop these solutions, we could detoxify the rhetoric in any and all ways we see fit. (Some will call this transition "political correctness." Maybe cynics will label the change "political opportunism." Others will recognize it for what it is--civility.)
In terms of transforming the political landscape for the long term, I think goal should be changing the way we address the ever thorny and intertwined issues of "social justice" and race, especially in regards to African Americans. Like it or not, many citizens--not just blacks--use the African Americans experience as the baseline for evaluating the efficacy of America's political philosophy, political economy, and grand strategy. (Because blacks are over/under represented in X, then X is unfair.)
Thanks to Marcia Clark--idiot of idiots--we've picked up the bad habit of using the phrase "race card" to react to such evaluations. What would happen if we were to respond to such criticisms with sustained and intense intellectual vigor and social commitment? (Okay, in the past, blacks are over/under represented in X and in the present, here are a range of voluntary, affordable solutions all Americans can use to mitigate this disparity--if they have the initiative and motivation.)
Yes, such discussions would definitely be heated. Accusatory finger pointing is probably a permanent feature of American political culture. Yes, these conversations might lead to more questions than answers. ([Gerund deleted] historians and their endless hairsplitting!) The debate might not immediately change anyone's behavior--especially at the voting booth. However, I think that in the long term, the process itself would help to regenerate American political life.
Might this process alienate stalwart members of the American right and the left? Maybe. There's a lot of passion in politics. Many Americans believe that opportunity is a zero sum game. The political rhetoric and cultural sensibilities of the long nineteenth century echo to this day. But, IMO, somewhere down the line, this process is likely to happen. If it hits critical mass, the benefits for being in the vanguard of this movement will be much better than the consequences of being among the last to arrive.
My $0.02.
Locked up your base??????????
"...................African-Americans, if you have not locked up your base yet,...................."
Aaaaaaaaaaa - slavery - slavery - slavery - racist comment - racist comment. Oh, wait, a black guy said it. It's OK then
I don't think Barry needs to worry about his base .....
Him and Uncle Joe and Aunt Hillary have that locked up .....
:munchin
It seems that Roland Martin knows President Obama and the voting community of which he speaks.
“...African-Americans will vote for him again, 88, 92, 95 percent...”
Roland S. Martin
Roland S. Martin is a nationally award-winning and multifaceted journalist.
A nationally syndicated columnist with Creators Syndicate, Mr. Martin is the author of Listening to the Spirit Within: 50 Perspectives on Faith, and Speak, Brother! A Black Man’s View of America, and “The First: President Barack Obama’s Road to the White House as originally reported by Roland S. Martin.”
Mr. Martin is a commentator for TV One Cable Network and host and managing editor of “Washington Watch with Roland Martin,” a one-hour Sunday morning news show.
He is also a CNN Analyst, appearing on a variety of the network’s shows. In October 2008, he joined the Tom Joyner Morning Show as senior analyst.
Named by Ebony Magazine in 2008, 2009 and 2010 as one of the 150 Most Influential African Americans in the United States, he is the 2009 winner of the NAACP Image Award for Best Interview for “In Conversation: The Michelle Obama Interview.”
He is the 2008 winner of the NAACP Image Award for Best Interview for “In Conversation: The Sen. Barack Obama Interview.”
In 2009, CNN was awarded the Peabody Award for its outstanding 2008 election coverage, of which Martin was a member of the Best Political Team on Television.
Martin, named one of the top 50 political pundits by the Daily Telegraph in the United Kingdom, was also awarded the 2008 President’s Award by the National Association of Black Journalists for his work in multiple media platforms.
In 2008, he was also inducted into the Texas A&M University Journalism Hall of Honor.
He has won more than 30 professional awards for journalistic excellence, including a regional Edward R. Murrow Award from the Radio Television News Directors; top reporting honors from the National Association of Black Journalists; the National Association of Minorities in Cable. and the National Associated Press-Managing Editors Conference.
An insightful and provocative analyst, Mr. Martin has appeared numerous times on a variety of American networks, as well as media outlets in Canada, Columbia, Italy, Australia and South Africa.
From October 2005 to October 2008, he served as a radio talk show for WVON-AM in Chicago, first as mid-day host and later as morning drive host.
He is the former executive editor/general manager of the Chicago Defender, the nation’s most historic Black newspaper.
He is the former founding news editor for Savoy Magazine under the team of New York-based Vanguarde Media, and the former founding editor of BlackAmericaWeb.com.
He previously served as owner/publisher of Dallas-Fort Worth Heritage, a Christian monthly newspaper.
He also has worked as managing editor of the Houston Defender and the Dallas Weekly, which he led to a number of local, state and national journalism awards. Mr.
Martin has worked as morning drive reporter for KRLD/1080 AM; news director and morning anchor at KKDA-AM in Dallas; city hall reporter for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram; and county government and neighbors reporter for the Austin American-Statesman.
He has also written pieces for Ebony and Essence magazines.
Mr. Martin is a life member of the National Association of Black Journalists, and a life member of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc..
He is a 1987 graduate of Jack Yates High School-Magnet School of Communications, and a 1991 graduate of Texas A&M University, where he earned a bachelor’s of science degree in journalism.
In May 2008, Martin received a master’s degree in Christian Communications from Louisiana Baptist University.
He has been awarded honorary degrees from Florida Memorial University, University of Maryland-University College and Lemoyne-Owen College.
He is married to the Rev. Jacquie Hood Martin, author of Fulfilled! The Art and Joy of Balanced Living. They reside in Washington, D.C.
http://rolandsmartin.com/?page_id=22
Sigaba,
I'm going to put this in the most simplest way folks can understand!:cool:
As long as the MSM continue to celebrate and/or give accolades to thugs, gang-bangers, athletes, etc.:eek:
It don't matter!:lifter
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Dragbag036
08-30-2011, 20:34
I'm LMAO because, I know who I voted for, and it was not "The One". I also look in the mirror everyday and notice I'm American (with a tan). I know this topic will never end, but how many Caucasian Americans voted the other way just because of the color, or for that matter felt like the needed to vote Dem for the conscious? As I have said before, "Vote your conscious, not your color".
DB...I'm a 5 percenter:lifter:lifter
I'm LMAO because, I know who I voted for, and it was not "The One". I also look in the mirror everyday and notice I'm American (with a tan). I know this topic will never end, but how many Caucasian Americans voted the other way just because of the color, or for that matter felt like the needed to vote Dem for the conscious? As I have said before, "Vote your conscious, not your color".
DB...I'm a 5 percenter:lifter:lifter+75% of the "Jewish" vote went to the POTUS.:confused:
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+75% of the "Jewish" vote went to the POTUS.
Religious voting trends in the 2008 national elections.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1112/religion-vote-2008-election
Richard
Religious voting trends in the 2008 national elections.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1112/religion-vote-2008-election
Richard
http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/1112-3.gif
http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/1112-6.gif
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Look closely and tell me what's missing....
Are you referring to "Other (Non-Christian) Faiths"??? :confused:
Seems to pretty much cover all the bases.
Richard :munchin
Are you referring to "Other (Non-Christian) Faiths"??? :confused:
Seems to pretty much cover all the bases.
Richard :munchinThe "Jewish" are missing from 04--->08
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The "Jewish" are missing from 04--->08
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Might wanna read the article's explanation of it all. ;)
Richard :munchin
Might wanna read the article's explanation of it all. ;)
Richard :munchinI read the article however, we may be "interpreting" from different view points due to our different geographical locations and/or current interaction with different folks.:lifter
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I read the article however, we may be "interpreting" from different view points due to our different geographical locations and/or current interaction with different folks.
Could be - but times change and polls change with the times. ;)
And you stay safe! :lifter
Richard
Could be - but times change and polls change with the times. ;)
And you stay safe! :lifter
RichardAnd people don't know that Judge Judy has been getting "higher" ratings than Oprah for some time now...:munchin
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And people don't know that Judge Judy has been getting "higher" ratings than Oprah for some time now...
Now that Oprah's off the air? ;)
Richard :munchin
Sigaba,
I'm going to put this in the most simplest way folks can understand!:cool:
As long as the MSM continue to celebrate and/or give accolades to thugs, gang-bangers, athletes, etc.:eek:
It don't matter!:lifter
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As long as folks even pause to consider it unfair that people who commit crimes are "overrepresented" in prison compared to those who don't, it don't matter either. :mad:
If I was an African-American Elite, I'd be disgusted with his performance, myself. I'd be embarassed, disappointed and chagrined enough to "turn up the heat".
I wonder where this group will stand when he's asked to step down before the primaries?
Now that Oprah's off the air? ;)
Richard :munchinOff the air?:eek: You may wanna take a look at OWN. (http://www.oprah.com/own/shows.html)
Once the POTUS starts seriously campaigning; what network will he have "unlimited" access to? Hint: Look at the chart/diagram.;)
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As long as folks even pause to consider it unfair that people who commit crimes are "overrepresented" in prison compared to those who don't, it don't matter either. :mad:People in prison can't and/or don't vote! So, your comment above is a mute point!:eek:
If I was an African-American Elite, I'd be disgusted with his performance, myself. I'd be embarassed, disappointed and chagrined enough to "turn up the heat".
I wonder where this group will stand when he's asked to step down before the primaries?Read below:
Cain has no chance because African American myopia will vote for anyone who is a Democrat without question. The sad fact is Democrats are happy to see blacks ask the government to do for them and take the black vote for granted. The way I see it, Democrats are like Church’s Fried Chicken and the Republicans are Ruth’s Chris Steak House. Democrats will sell us foods that kill us, and set up shop throughout our communities. We accept it without question for that is the reality on any plantation, whether Democratic or Republican. –torrance t. stephens, ph.d.
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Originally Posted by Guy
Originally Posted by Richard
Could be - but times change and polls change with the times.
And you stay safe!
Richard
And people don't know that Judge Judy has been getting "higher" ratings than Oprah for some time now...
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Are you KIDS doing St Patrick's Day early???
Are you KIDS doing St Patrick's Day early???
I'd take Guinness "beer" over Old-E or the Bull in a heartbeat!:p
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ddoering
08-31-2011, 04:49
You guys got it all wrong. They aren't beating "him" up, just his white half.
You guys got it all wrong. They aren't beating "him" up, just his white half.So you're saying that, blacks are jealous of the male-version of a red-bone?:D
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Here's my $00.0002
Chasing ANY minority racial vote does not have a payback, BUT chasing a majority topic has tremendous payback.
I would not try to change the American/African voters to Republicans.
I would try to charge up Americans to want to fix the illegal alien problem.
If you can make the distinction between color and topic you can win votes.
White, African, Spanish, Asian Americans all have problems with a tax structure that let's over 1/2 the nation pay no taxes..
White, African, Spanish, Asian Americans all have problems with a supporting illegal's in our welfare society
White, African, Spanish, Asian Americans all have problems with a system of banking where the banks are forced to give mortgages to people they know can not afford them.
White, African, Spanish, Asian Americans all have problems with a system where the president is elected by a group of bubba's and not the populace.
White, African, Spanish, Asian Americans all have problems with a system where we send more money overseas, (in the form of UN, military, and just give away) than we spend on our kids education.
Fix the problems not the color...
:munchin
Chasing ANY minority racial vote does not have a payback, BUT chasing a majority topic has tremendous payback.This is what I said earlier in the post:
You're looking at it on a "macro" level; there's several states I could care less about.:munchin
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......White, African, Spanish, Asian Americans all have problems with a system where the president is elected by a group of bubba's and not the populace..............
Are you talking about the Power Brokers of each political party or are you talking about the Electoral College?
The Electoral College requires the candidates to not forget the smaller states. Turning to a popular vote would allow the vote buying to be concentrated in the large urban areas of the country.
Allowing all states to split the Electoral College vote amounts to the same thing as 40% are going to vote for "Their party" anyway. So again the fight would go to the large urban areas with lots of votes.
Just my opinion of course.
Are you talking about the Power Brokers of each political party or are you talking about the Electoral College?
The Electoral College requires the candidates to not forget the smaller states. Turning to a popular vote would allow the vote buying to be concentrated in the large urban areas of the country.
Allowing all states to split the Electoral College vote amounts to the same thing as 40% are going to vote for "Their party" anyway. So again the fight would go to the large urban areas with lots of votes.
Just my opinion of course.
Pete
That's what happens now.. The candidates all push their efforts in the big electoral states.. The electoral college votes are allocated & based on population..
Apportionment of electors
Further information: United States congressional apportionment
Population per Elector allocated to each of the 50 states and DC, ranked by population. For instance, 1=California, 2=Texas, 50=DC and 51=Wyoming.
The size of the Electoral College is equal to the total voting membership of both Houses of Congress (435 Representatives and 100 Senators) plus the three electors allocated to Washington, D.C., totaling 538 electors.
Each state is allocated as many electors as it has Representatives and Senators in the United States Congress.[31][32] Since the most populous states have the most seats in the House of Representatives, they also have the most electors. The six states with the most electors are California (55), Texas (34), New York (31), Florida (27), Illinois (21) and Pennsylvania (21). The seven smallest states by population—Alaska, Delaware, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming—have three electors each. The number of Representatives for each state is determined every 10 years by the United States Census, thus determining the number of electoral votes for each state until the next Census-based reallocation.
Under the Twenty-third Amendment, Washington, D.C. is allocated as many electors as it would have if it were a state, but no more electors than the least populous state. The least populous state (Wyoming) has three electors; thus, D.C. cannot have more than three electors. Even if D.C. were a state, its current population would entitle it to three electors; based on its population per electoral vote, D.C. has the second highest per-capita Electoral College representation, after Wyoming.[33]
With the bubba system pick'n the electors..
Nomination of electors
Candidates for elector are nominated by their state political parties in the months prior to Election Day. The Constitution delegates to each state the authority for nominating and choosing its electors. In some states, the electors are nominated in primaries, the same way that other candidates are nominated. Other states, such as Oklahoma, Virginia, and North Carolina nominate electors in party conventions. In Pennsylvania, the campaign committees of each candidate name their candidates for presidential elector (an attempt to discourage faithless electors).
In any event,, Small population states would be just as disenfranchised.. It seems unfair, but politics does not lend it self to being fair..
:munchin
greenberetTFS
08-31-2011, 14:12
And people don't know that Judge Judy has been getting "higher" ratings than Oprah for some time now...:munchin
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Judge Judy makes 45 M dollars a year just saw it on one of Maggies' Entertainment magazine!................:rolleyes:
Big Teddy :munchin
Judge Judy makes 45 M dollars a year just saw it on one of Maggies' Entertainment magazine!................:rolleyes:
Big Teddy :munchinYou need to look at Harpos/Oprah MSM empire; guess who she's going too back/support come this next election?
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Are you talking about the Power Brokers of each political party or are you talking about the Electoral College?
The Electoral College requires the candidates to not forget the smaller states. Turning to a popular vote would allow the vote buying to be concentrated in the large urban areas of the country.
Allowing all states to split the Electoral College vote amounts to the same thing as 40% are going to vote for "Their party" anyway. So again the fight would go to the large urban areas with lots of votes.
Just my opinion of course.
It'll be irrelevant if the '12 election is postponed due to martial law anyway, so...
Peregrino
08-31-2011, 17:58
It'll be irrelevant if the '12 election is postponed due to martial law anyway, so...
Not funny GI.
Actually, I think the martial law will be declared after he loses the election and the resulting race riots percipitate the "end of the era" predicted by the Mayan Calendar. (Remember - the Solstice is after the elections.) :munchin
Quote:
Originally Posted by plato
As long as folks even pause to consider it unfair that people who commit crimes are "overrepresented" in prison compared to those who don't, it don't matter either.
People in prison can't and/or don't vote! So, your comment above is a mute point!:eek:
I hear you, but the rights of prisoners wasn't my point. I was aiming at the ability of Sharpton and Jackson to point at elderly white-haired granny ladies and convince some sheeple that it was unfair to incarcerate young male criminals at a rate different from innocent grannies.
The religion of "I am a victim" sells well to those are looking for an answer in the "social injustice" drawer rather than the framework of being responsible for one's own actions.
The idea of blaming the family across the street for having twice your family income, when the reason is that Daddy stayed and both work though your daddy left the moment he could get his socks back on is even marketable to the "perpetual victim", often referred to as "liberal".
Not funny GI.
Actually, I think the martial law will be declared after he loses the election and the resulting race riots percipitate the "end of the era" predicted by the Mayan Calendar. (Remember - the Solstice is after the elections.) :munchin
You're right. I forgot to check my mini-Stonehenge, Bro.
The idea of blaming the family across the street for having twice your family income, when the reason is that Daddy stayed and both work though your daddy left the moment he could get his socks back on is even marketable to the "perpetual victim", often referred to as "liberal".
Punishing the son for the sins of his father. Unfortunately, liberal or not, and life is not fair notwithstanding, that kid can and will be seen at a true disadvantage, genuine or not. I think the key here is personal responsibility, the past is sometimes a good teacher of what NOT to do in the future(generally more often than not), so the question is: Is that young male going to take advantage of the gazillion "free money for education" opportunities, and make something of himself, or turn out just like his father? While we are at it, is that 18 or so year old mature enough to even make that decision, or do we need to keep raising the legal age of X,Y,Z?
Originally posted by Plato:
I was aiming at the ability of Sharpton and Jackson to point at elderly white-haired granny ladies and convince some sheeple that it was unfair to incarcerate young male criminals at a rate different from innocent grannies.
Now there is a pair of racists. :D
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ddoering
09-02-2011, 12:51
The "black" vote by itself can't nor didn't put the POTUS into office; his commanding and/or leaning of the MSM (which by far are mostly Liberal-Democrats) is what got him elected.
Stay safe.
Along with a few white, republicans that were voting because it was "historic."
Actually, I think the martial law will be declared after he loses the election and the resulting race riots percipitate the "end of the era" predicted by the Mayan Calendar. (Remember - the Solstice is after the elections.) :munchin
NASA and the Director of the Griffith Observatory say it's untrue.
The Great 2012 Doomsday Scare
Most of what's claimed for 2012 relies on wishful thinking, wild pseudoscientific folly, ignorance of astronomy, and a level of paranoia worthy of Night of the Living Dead.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-guest.html
Richard :munchin
NASA and the Director of the Griffith Observatory say it's untrue.
The Great 2012 Doomsday Scare
Most of what's claimed for 2012 relies on wishful thinking, wild pseudoscientific folly, ignorance of astronomy, and a level of paranoia worthy of Night of the Living Dead.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-guest.html
Richard :munchin
Hey, you're jacking with my "Doomsday Seed Packet" business! :D
Hey, you're jacking with my "Doomsday Seed Packet" business! :D
If what PT Barnum believed is even half true, there are plenty of potential customers out there for both you and Mr Miggle's store in the Okefenokee Swamp. :p
Labor Day Weekend Doomsday Seed Special - 25 cents per packet or 3 packets for a dollar!
Richard :munchin
Badger52
09-02-2011, 13:24
Hey, you're jacking with my "Doomsday Seed Packet" business! :DNo kidding; he just devalued a couple big storage lockers of 5KW generators...