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Roguish Lawyer
09-09-2004, 11:08
Yeah, like the manufacturer killed those people. :rolleyes:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/09/09/sniper.families.lawsuit.ap/index.html

Gunmaker settles sniper lawsuit
Gun dealer also settles with victims' families
Thursday, September 9, 2004 Posted: 9:59 AM EDT (1359 GMT)

SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- Victims of the Washington, D.C.-area sniper shootings and their families have settled claims against the maker of the gun used in the spree and its dealer for $2.5 million, an agreement the plaintiffs' lawyer said would change practices in the firearms industry.

Bushmaster Firearms of Windham, Maine, agreed to pay $550,000 to eight plaintiffs. Bull's Eye Shooter Supply of Tacoma, the gun dealer where the snipers' Bushmaster rifle came from, agreed to pay $2 million.

The settlement with Bushmaster marks the first time a gun manufacturer has agreed to pay damages to settle claims of negligent distribution of weapons, said Jon Lowy, a lawyer with the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Lowy, who helped argue the case, also said the settlement with Bull's Eye Shooter Supply is the largest against a gun dealer.

"These settlements send a loud and clear message that the gun industry cannot turn a blind eye to how criminals get their guns," Lowy said.

A judge will determine how to divide the settlement among two people who were injured in the shootings and the families of six people who were killed.

Seattle attorney Paul Luvera represented the victims' families. He called the settlement "historic" and said it should change practices in the firearms industry.

"When a manufacturer makes a large settlement like this one, it is an example to other manufacturers," Luvera said.

Kelly Corr, the attorney representing Bushmaster, said the company made "no admission of liability whatsoever" and that the settlement was an economic decision.

He said Bushmaster and its insurance company, which will pay the $550,000, decided to settle rather than continuing to run up legal fees. Corr said the settlement will not change the way Bushmaster conducts business.

"Bushmaster believes it is a responsible manufacturer," he said.

As part of the settlement, though, Bushmaster agreed to educate its dealers on gun safety.

A federal investigation determined the rifle was one of 200 or more guns missing from Bull's Eye that the owner at the time, Brian Borgelt, could not account for.

Borgelt, a former Army ranger and military sniper instructor, said he had been conducting his own internal investigation for two years. He sold Bull's Eye last year but still operates a shooting range at the store near the Tacoma Dome.

"We just decided, it being a no-win situation for us any way you sliced it, that it would be best to settle and get something in the way of relief for the victims and the victims' families, the poor people who survived this," Borgelt said.

John Allen Muhammad, 43, was convicted and sentenced to death for murder in one of the 10 fatal shootings in October 2002 in the Washington, D.C.-area. His coconspirator, 19-year-old Lee Boyd Malvo, was tried separately, convicted of murder in a different death and sentenced to life in prison without parole.

They used a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle, a civilian version of the military M-16.

The civil lawsuit alleged that at least 238 guns, including the snipers' rifle, disappeared from the gun shop in the three years before the shooting rampage. Despite audits by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms showing that Bull's Eye had dozens of missing guns, Bushmaster continued to use the shop as a dealer and provided it with as many guns as the owners wanted, the lawsuit alleged.

"It appears that 17-year-old Malvo was able to stroll into this gun store and stroll out carrying a 3-foot-long, $1,000 Bushmaster assault rifle," Lowy said. "Bull's Eye should have taken reasonable care to prevent guns from being stolen. Bushmaster should have required Bull's Eye to implement simple, reasonable security measures."

The victims' lawsuit, filed in January 2003, also names Malvo and Muhammad as defendants. Those claims are technically still pending, although they are unlikely to be resolved.

A bill was proposed in Congress earlier this year that would have given the firearms industry immunity from lawsuits such as this one. Despite strong support from President Bush, it died in the Senate.

Airbornelawyer
09-09-2004, 11:54
Didn't you learn in law school that "proximate cause lies in the deepest pockets"? If not, I claim copyright on that phrase.

NousDefionsDoc
09-09-2004, 12:03
Coincidence this comes out now?

Bravo1-3
09-09-2004, 12:49
Didn't you learn in law school that "proximate cause lies in the deepest pockets"? If not, I claim copyright on that phrase.

Hell, I knew that an I'm just interning!

The gun shop in question though... talk about piss poor accountability. Violation after violation of laws that actually matter, we're not talking about the silly ones, we're talking about the simple process of maintaining inventory accountability, not releasing weapons until the insta-check comes back, or even conducting an insta-check in the first place. How much of it that Bushmaster was aware of with this dealer is the question. That said, your Proximate Cause statement is right on.

The Reaper
09-09-2004, 12:50
So if I go on a crime spree and kill 8 people with a stolen Ford F-150 pick-up truck, the survivors can sue Ford Motor Company and the dealer it was originally sold from as negligent?

Did I miss something here? Isn't this another "McDonalds made my kids fat" sort of lawsuit?

This should have gone to trial.

TR

flyboy1
09-09-2004, 17:06
So if I go on a crime spree and kill 8 people with a stolen Ford F-150 pick-up truck, the survivors can sue Ford Motor Company and the dealer it was originally sold from as negligent?

Did I miss something here? Isn't this another "McDonalds made my kids fat" sort of lawsuit?

This should have gone to trial.

TR

Damn straight there....and the makers of DOOM3 are next when the next nutcase goes on a killing spree stating ID software made me do it.

Airbornelawyer
09-09-2004, 17:48
So if I go on a crime spree and kill 8 people with a stolen Ford F-150 pick-up truck, the survivors can sue Ford Motor Company and the dealer it was originally sold from as negligent?

Did I miss something here? Isn't this another "McDonalds made my kids fat" sort of lawsuit?

This should have gone to trial.

TR
Actually, it's the "drunk-driver-ran-over-my-wife-so-instead-of-suing-him-or-the-bar-that-let-him-drive-off-drunk-I-will-sue-the-House-of-Seagrams" sort of lawsuit.

Guy
09-09-2004, 17:58
So if I go on a crime spree and kill 8 people with a stolen Ford F-150 pick-up truck, the survivors can sue Ford Motor Company and the dealer it was originally sold from as negligent?

Did I miss something here? Isn't this another "McDonalds made my kids fat" sort of lawsuit?

This should have gone to trial.

TR

Come out here...they have me borderline paranoid with the crosswalks.

Looking both ways before crossing the street...does not cut it here. I almost hit several people. :(

Kyobanim
09-09-2004, 18:18
Come out here...they have me borderline paranoid with the crosswalks.

Looking both ways before crossing the street...does not cut it here. I almost hit several people. :(


Guy's got a Heads Up Display on his windshield that identifies liberal targets as they move through the crosswalks. It gets confused when there's too many targets. :eek:

Razor
09-10-2004, 09:46
Crosswalk right-of-way, huh? I think my father-in-law summed it up best when he said, "Its much easier to stop 160 pounds of flesh moving at 3mph than 3000 pounds of metal moving at 40mph."

rubberneck
09-12-2004, 07:56
Bushmaster Responds to Brady Groups False Claim of Victory
Thursday September 9, 2004 9:24AM est

Windham, Maine -- The Washington DC Brady Group would have you believe they won some kind of victory! The Brady Group brought this lawsuit not for the victims, but for their anti-gun agenda. The Brady Group asked for the settlement conference after reviewing all the evidence they knew they could not be successful in court and they wanted to stop paying lawyer fees.

The Brady Group sent a second tier lawyer to the settlement conference with nine demands on Bushmaster regarding business practices and Bushmaster denied them all. We then gave the Brady Group our statement that we support the BATF licensing requirements to be a Federal Firearms Licensed (FFL) holder and our support for the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) safety programs, and they accepted our statement. We did not agree and would not agree to change the way we do business or make any additional demands of our customers. We were emphatic that Bushmaster did not commit any wrong doings.

The attorney for our insurance company was at the settlement conference and informed us that about half of our policy limits had been spent on trial lawyers. It was the insurance company’s position that all of the limit would be spent on this case, and therefore turned the funds over to Bushmaster to use as we saw fit removing the insurance company from the case. Our choice was to continue spending it on trial lawyers or turn it over directly to the victims’ families with no funds going to the Brady Group for their legal fees.

We felt the compassionate thing to do was give it to the victims’ families, not because we had to but because we wanted to. The Washington DC Brady Group should learn what compassion is really all about!

Bushmaster strongly believes and vigorously supports the rights of citizens to own and use firearms, and the settlement of this case in no way compromises that stand. The Brady Group’s attempt at claiming a victory over firearms manufacturers is a hollow one with no substance. Their attempt to eliminate gun rights of citizens has failed legislatively and will continue to fail with these frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers.

Bushmaster Firearms, Inc.



On a personal note I don't think they should have given a dime to the families. They should have fought this to the bitter end for the very reason that this settlement was used against them and all gun makers. A very bad decision IMHO.

The Reaper
09-12-2004, 08:32
RN:

Concur.

Give them nothing, and bleed them while you do.

TR

Gypsy
09-12-2004, 09:04
Their attempt to eliminate gun rights of citizens has failed legislatively and will continue to fail with these frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers.


Seems to me since they "settled" it will encourage others to come up with lawsuits such as this. Put blame where it belongs, on the shooters.

Doc
09-12-2004, 09:45
Communism pure and simple. Look at their beliefs and goals and look at a communist state.

No God.

No weapons in the people's hands.

Socialist programs.

Really sad to see a company succumb to this litigation.

Doc

Roguish Lawyer
09-12-2004, 10:07
I don't think anyone whould have paid that much unless they thought they had exposure for some reason. The fundamental problem here, as with most cases in the US, is that there are few penalties for bringing BS cases. If you sue and lose, you should pay the defendant's attorneys' fees unless it was a close case, IMO.

P.S. Doc: Nice avatar!