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NM officials look for sniper who killed cat
By SUSAN MONTOYA BRYAN, Associated Press
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) — Someone shot and killed a neighborhood cat that was sitting on the porch of a house, leaving residents of the quiet part of northeast Albuquerque on edge and city animal welfare officials looking for clues as to who might be responsible.
The black and white cat, named Pris, was brought to the city's animal welfare department by a resident after being found dead Monday night. City spokesman Chris Ramirez said X-rays showed a bullet lodged near the cat's ribs.
The case was referred to Albuquerque police and the animal's body was sent to the state veterinary laboratory for a necropsy. City officials were still waiting for the results Thursday, but they hoped the caliber of the bullet and other details might be gleaned from the tests so they could determine whether to move forward with an investigation.
"The reason we take this so serious is because if somebody were caught, they could face extreme cruelty to animal charges and it is against the law to shoot a firearm within city limits," Ramirez said. "Those are two crimes that are both felonies that we think are pretty serious."
While the sniping of the cat appears to be an isolated shooting, neighbors who were fond of the cat are not taking it lightly.
Margaret Schulte said she and her next-door neighbor had cared for Pris since he was a kitten. They initially thought it was a female cat — and named it Prissy — but a neutering trip to a local veterinarian determined otherwise. The name, Pris for short, still stuck.
Schulte said her neighbor went out Monday night and was looking over her garden when she saw the cat lying there dead. He frequented the space between the two houses and often sat on adjacent porches and patios.
"It was near her porch and our back door. What if they had missed the cat and hit our house?" asked Schulte, who has lived in the otherwise quiet neighborhood with other retirees and families for the past six years.
"Some people are saying we shouldn't make such a fuss over a cat, but that's not the object," she said. "There's somebody in the area with a gun and they could shoot a child. That's what we're worried about, the safety of the children in the neighborhood."
City officials said they weren't aware of any similar cases in at least the last two years.
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Outside cat.
Nuff said.
We have about 4 "neighborhood cats". Couple of families feed them. Causes a dust up in the neighborhood every now and again.
They are the cats Possum Killer chases around the block and over a fence when we go out to get the paper.
mark46th
07-29-2011, 09:24
Possum Killer!?! My two Westies have killed 5 possums in the last month. If my neighbor's cats would come down off the fence, they would get them, too...
I really had to laugh when I found the article. We used to do this when I was a kid driving around town at night. Used them for coyote bait. When not needed immediately they were kept hidden from grandpa in the apple storage for our orchards. Standard velocity 22 shorts are subsonic and virtually silent when fired from a rifle (even today).
Don't recall anything was ever said about the disappearing cats...
MVP
mojaveman
07-29-2011, 10:13
Times have sure changed. An autopsy for a cat that was shot? That was probably done by some teenage boys who had too much time on their hands. I grew up in rural area 40 years ago and it was standard procedure that when a stray dog came onto your property it became fair game. Air rifles were an effective non-lethal deterent but some of the old school folks chose a rifle or shotgun.
longrange1947
07-29-2011, 15:34
Yeah, you should have seen the bill for the "CAT" Scan and "Lab" work. :munchin
MVP - SOTIC grad would have gone for the head. :)
Team Sergeant
07-29-2011, 16:13
I have a solid alibi.........
Border control on my AOR is a Winchester Model 25 12 Ga. pump for two-legged critters and a Daisy 880 .177 Cal. pump air rifle for squirrels and other pesky four-legged critters. I've never had to use my Winchester...yet...but my air rifle works like a champ and doesn't bother the neighbors at all. ;)
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
craigepo
07-31-2011, 08:28
Feral cats are very hard on small game, notably quail, which are having serious population problems. Any cat found afield, that makes it past the bird dogs, gets shotgunned.
longrange1947
07-31-2011, 20:33
Feral cats are hard on all birds and one the main reason for song bird deaths. They are not granted a free pass on my property. I follow the 3 Ss, shoot, shovel, silence. :munchin :D
Originally posted by longrange1947:
Feral cats are hard on all birds and one the main reason for song bird deaths. They are not granted a free pass on my property. I follow the 3 Ss, shoot, shovel, silence.
Agreed that feral cats are a problem, but so are the neighborhood cats that have not been declawed and are allowed to roam. Though, I never bothered with the shovel portion of your 3 S's erradication method. I would take the corpses into the woods in the hope that the coyotes would develop a taste for "feline tar tare" and just take it upon themselves to rid the area of both feral and roaming housecats. It seemed to work as the local cat population dwindled to virtually nothing.
A few of the coyotes that roamed my old neighborhood in PA:
19698
19699
19700
Feral cats are very hard on small game, notably quail, which are having serious population problems. Any cat found afield, that makes it past the bird dogs, gets shotgunned.
Last Christmas, my mother asked if I would shoot about 20-30 cats. Toms and momma cats had gone unchecked. The old Barn Owl (and seasonal family) used to do a good job, but she finally died, aged NLT 10 years. Some would say a live well lived, but I digress....
Upon returning, a few hours later, I had a fully loaded handcart piled high, with, guessing 20+ cats. My mother, bless her heart said, "...not those cats, those were the nice ones,...they were so gentle."
I said, "Mom, you needed to be more specific, how was I to know, ...a little more information would have helped."
"I wanted you to shoot the wild ones."
"Sorry mom, after the first gun shot, didn't see any wild ones, besides, these were close, some sitting on the fence and front porch,... got that one (finger pointing), while it was drinking milk."
Always liked having one or two cats around, keeping the mice population in check, but between bird dogs, hawks/owls, cats have a tough lot assigned to them.
Cats are tasty though.
cetheridge
08-01-2011, 07:06
Cats are tasty though.
WD....a member of PETA? People Eating Tasty Animals
Ahhh, yes.....Cat...."the other white meat"!
TS/Penn....any good recipes for cat?
longrange1947
08-01-2011, 17:20
Tress, any cat loose is a Feral cat as far as I am concerned. :munchin :D
mark46th
08-01-2011, 17:38
Feral cats have killed more quail than I could in a lifetime...
Originally posted by longrange1947:
Tress, any cat loose is a Feral cat as far as I am concerned.
I agree and I pretty much feel the same way about dogs. Too many of them loose, running the deer and turkeys. In PA it is legal to shoot dogs that are running "big game". Unfortunately, I have dispatched 3 so far.
Hate doing it but that last instance was 2 dogs having run down an 8-point. I heard this incessant barking for about 20 minutes while in my stand. Got tired of it and went to see what was going on. By the time I got there the buck had a broken leg, was lying on the ground with a whole in its belly and entrails leaking out. The buck was still trying to defend itself but it did not stand a chance with two dogs. One was always at the head end trying to distract the buck while the other would come in from behind. I nailed the one dog with an arrow. It went down right away leaving the second dog wondering what the hell was going on since his buddy seemed to be taking a nap. I took a shot at the second dog but he was short legged and standing with his ass to me. The broadhead struck him on the top of his rump and then splayed open his back before it bounced off of his skull. He yelped and then ran for the hills.
The game warden eventually put the buck down and then found out later who owned the second dog. From what I understand the dog's owner was not too happy about having to pay the fine for his dog running big game along with the veterinarian bill.
Ambush Master
08-01-2011, 17:55
I really had to laugh when I found the article. We used to do this when I was a kid driving around town at night. Used them for coyote bait. When not needed immediately they were kept hidden from grandpa in the apple storage for our orchards. Standard velocity 22 shorts are subsonic and virtually silent when fired from a rifle (even today).
Don't recall anything was ever said about the disappearing cats...
MVP
CB Caps, Aguila Super Colibri are 20gr .22 rimfire that do not make any noise out of a long gun!! All you hear is the hammer, and they are lethal!!
Originally posted by Ambush Master:
MVP
CB Caps, Aguila Super Colibri are 20gr .22 rimfire that do not make any noise out of a long gun!! All you hear is the hammer, and they are lethal!!
I am willing to bet that the range is not that great and they should only be fired in a bolt action .22 rifle?
Ambush Master
08-01-2011, 18:19
I am willing to bet that the range is not that great and they should only be fired in a bolt action .22 rifle?
I shoot them out of both a BLR and an old Winchester Pump. I've perfed armadillos out to 20-25 meters with good effect!!
Originally posted by Ambush Master:
I shoot them out of both a BLR and an old Winchester Pump. I've perfed armadillos out to 20-25 meters with good effect!!
That is not too bad range-wise, but I primarily use the bow at that range with Montec SGH broadheads. These puppies will tear up a ground hog and even a coyote at 45 yards. Regular broadheads just sail through coyotes and ground hogs and because they are both so much closer to the ground the broadheads stand a much better chance of getting buggered up after exiting.
http://www.g5outdoors.com/product_detail/27
The only major problem that I can foresee is that my .22 is a Ruger 10-22 compact autoloader and I am not sure if there would be enough gas produced by the spent round to throw back the bolt, ejecting the spent round and loading the next one.
I do like the fact that they are really quiet. :D
The Reaper
08-01-2011, 18:53
I shoot them out of both a BLR and an old Winchester Pump. I've perfed armadillos out to 20-25 meters with good effect!!
Recently acquired the services of a lovely and only lightly used Rossi carbine version of the Winchester 62 gallery rifle.
A takedown rifle that holds 14 or so .22 CB Longs is a nice quiet anti-vermin gun.
TR
SLVGW360
08-01-2011, 22:39
Interesting discussion. My dad is Basque from the old country and has told stories of his younger days hanging out with friends and drinking. Not that different from youth parties these days, but they liked to make a stew to feed everyone. In the absence of rabbit, which was fairly often, cat would be on the menu. He says it is every bit as good as rabbit. I've wondered if booze makes it taste better. Never tried it myself.
Workwise, I am issued several guns. However, I mostly use a .22 to put down anything from raccoons to elk. For about 2.5 years, I was stationed in Boulder which has a city deer population and zero hunting. I put down at least one deer just about everyday I worked that district. Some days as many as 5. Cars and fencing do what hunters would otherwise. Not to mention the mountain lions that roam the city most nights.
I am interested in the Aguila loads mentioned. I've tried a junky suppressed .22. It was every bit as loud as my regular .22, regardless of load used. I might try suppressed again someday.
The attached picture is of a sick bull I had to put down inside the shed. He kept charging me and I had to keep a tractor between us. The landowner didn't want me to put a hole in his shed, so I had to borrow his .22 pistol. A very old revolver. One shot was all it took. This is in my current location, not Boulder.:)
craigepo
08-02-2011, 07:03
Interesting discussion. My dad is Basque from the old country and has told stories of his younger days hanging out with friends and drinking. Not that different from youth parties these days, but they liked to make a stew to feed everyone. In the absence of rabbit, which was fairly often, cat would be on the menu. He says it is every bit as good as rabbit. I've wondered if booze makes it taste better. Never tried it myself.
Workwise, I am issued several guns. However, I mostly use a .22 to put down anything from raccoons to elk. For about 2.5 years, I was stationed in Boulder which has a city deer population and zero hunting. I put down at least one deer just about everyday I worked that district. Some days as many as 5. Cars and fencing do what hunters would otherwise. Not to mention the mountain lions that roam the city most nights.
I am interested in the Aguila loads mentioned. I've tried a junky suppressed .22. It was every bit as loud as my regular .22, regardless of load used. I might try suppressed again someday.
The attached picture is of a sick bull I had to put down inside the shed. He kept charging me and I had to keep a tractor between us. The landowner didn't want me to put a hole in his shed, so I had to borrow his .22 pistol. A very old revolver. One shot was all it took. This is in my current location, not Boulder.:)
Dueling with a bull elk, with a .22 pistol, at 10 paces? To hell with that. It took me three rounds from a .308 to keep my last one down.
SLVGW360
08-02-2011, 07:20
Elk are really tough critters. This one happened to be weakened, but they don't always go like that. Two years ago now, a couple of my subordinates were removing some problem elk. They had one cow that they had put two rounds through the lungs keep going for over an hour, before they could catch up and finish it.
For about a year now we've been using Black Hills loads with Accubonds in .308. They work really well on elk out to 500+.
FWIW
RB
For about a year now we've been using Black Hills loads with Accubonds in .308. They work really well on elk out to 500+.
FWIW
RB
Got any pics of elk you guys have tagged at "500+"?:munchin
SLVGW360
08-02-2011, 08:12
I don't have pictures of everything we do. I note a hit of skepticism. I know that it may seem as such, but we do this quite a bit. The area we are doing this in is flat on the valley floor and they won't let you get very close. Vegetation is mostly sparse. If there is vegetation it is short grass and/or tall grease wood. I have been within 200 yards and can't get a shot. I personally took one cow at 540 and another which was a ranging error on my part was a bit farther. Not at all proud of that one, because I should have missed with the error. Both were one shot kills. Most shots are 300 to 400. We donate everything so I do have donation certificates. I really don't see a need to haul those out.
I just remembered I do have picture that is not the same place but very similar. The circle is a half mile across so these are spread out from about 600 to 800 plus yards.
RB
I don't have pictures of everything we do. I note a hit of skepticism. I know that it may seem as such, but we do this quite a bit. The area we are doing this in is flat on the valley floor and they won't let you get very close. Vegetation is mostly sparse. If there is vegetation it is short grass and/or tall grease wood. I have been within 200 yards and can't get a shot. I personally took one cow at 540 and another which was a ranging error on my part was a bit farther. Not at all proud of that one, because I should have missed with the error. Both were one shot kills. Most shots are 300 to 400. We donate everything so I do have donation certificates. I really don't see a need to haul those out.
I just remembered I do have picture that is not the same place but very similar. The circle is a half mile across so these are spread out from about 600 to 800 plus yards.
RB
Do the donation certificates state the range as 500+? :munchin
SLVGW360
08-02-2011, 08:29
Negative, but the pictures wouldn't either.
Tress,
Brownells offers a 22 short conversion bolt for the Ruger. Haven't looked for a short chambered barrel...
I now use a Winchester lo-wall in 22lr, before it was an old Winchester single-shot bolt gun, seems like it was a model 69.
MVP
Negative, but the pictures wouldn't either.
Right.
Well, 500-yard (+) one-shot kills on elk with a .308 are definitely something to crow about. Too bad you didn't have an officer present to sign off on the kills. :D
SLVGW360
08-02-2011, 09:23
Actually, on the one I don't want to crow about another officer was present. He was watching a different elk (about 1500 in that bunch) and thought I missed, which technically I did. I saw it drop like a ton of bricks through the scope. He thought I was lost when I started to walk out to it and was surprised to find an elk at the end of my wonderings. We only got two out of 1500. They bunch up horribly.
You don't have to believe if you don't want to.;)
Oh, I forgot to clarify. This is not about crowing. I brought up the distance to illustrate the effectiveness of the bullet at .308 velocities at that distance. Granted this is about 8,000 ft. ASL. But the cow at 540 was quartered to me and the bullet entered just in front of the shoulder and exited the opposite side, just in front of the last rib. Immediate incapacitation.
Actually, on the one I don't want to crow about another officer was present. He was watching a different elk (about 1500 in that bunch) and thought I missed, which technically I did. I saw it drop like a ton of bricks through the scope. He thought I was lost when I started to walk out to it and was surprised to find an elk at the end of my wonderings. We only got two out of 1500. They bunch up horribly.
You don't have to believe if you don't want to.;)
Oh, I know.
SLVGW360
08-02-2011, 09:36
I had a feeling you had me in your sights. I hope I didn't disappoint. It's been fun. Take care and thank you for your service. It is greatly appreciated.
I'm actually going out the range to zero a new tool. I better get back to the grind.
RB
I had a feeling you had me in your sights. I hope I didn't disappoint. It's been fun. Take care and thank you for your service. It is greatly appreciated.
I'm actually going out the range to zero a new tool. I better get back to the grind.
RB
You're welcome. It's been fun watching you edit your posts.
SLVGW360
08-02-2011, 09:50
It's a habit that I developed when testing for my position. It is pretty tough and I wouldn't want to do it again. My writing skills have always been one of my weak points, so I am incredibly sensitive about it. I focus on it to the exclusion of some of my thoughts, so I have to go back and correct grammer or add ideas I forgot to put in the first time.
I'll send you a PM with some additional details. You have gone down the path with me, so I won't leave you hanging. :)
It's a habit that I developed when testing for my position. It is pretty tough and I wouldn't want to do it again. My writing skills have always been one of my weak points, so I am incredibly sensitive about it. I focus on it to the exclusion of some of my thoughts, so I have to go back and correct grammer or add ideas I forgot to put in the first time.
I'll send you a PM with some additional details. You have gone down the path with me, so I won't leave you hanging. :)
A tenderloin would suffice.
SLVGW360
08-02-2011, 10:38
A tenderloin would suffice.
Oh well, PM has already been sent. If you ever down this way, you don't work for the agency and your not family, so I can probably handle that through a donation.
Take care,
RB
Oh well, PM has already been sent. If you ever down this way, you don't work for the agency and your not family, so I can probably handle that through a donation.
Take care,
RB
Just pack it with dry ice and mail it.
You're the second person on this BB who owes me elk meat. :D