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Dusty
07-27-2011, 11:42
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60038.html


Rep. James Clyburn and a group of House Democrats are urging President Barack Obama to invoke the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling if Congress can’t come up with a satisfactory plan before the Tuesday deadline.

Clyburn, the third-ranking House Democrat, said Wednesday that if the president is delivered a bill to raise the debt ceiling for only a short period of time, he should instead veto it and turn to the phrase in the Constitution that says the validity of the U.S. government’s debt “shall not be questioned.”

“If that’s what lands on his desk, a short-term lifting of the ceiling, the debt ceiling, he should put it on his desk next to an executive order,” Clyburn said at a press conference. “He should sign an executive order invoking the 14th Amendment to this issue.” The Associated Press reported that he was applauded when he suggested the idea at a caucus meeting earlier in the day.

“I believe that something like this will bring calm to the American people and will bring needed stability to our financial markets,” Clyburn added, noting that President Harry Truman did it once during his presidency after Congress was unable to pass a bill to raise the debt ceiling.

Obama and others in his administration have said they will not rely on the 14th Amendment. At a town hall last week, Obama said that he has “talked to my lawyers” and “they are not persuaded that that is a winning argument.”

But Clyburn and several other liberal Democrats urged the president to reconsider.

“We’re getting down to decision time,” said Rep. John Larson (D-Conn.), the chairman of the Democratic caucus. “We have to have a failsafe mechanism and we believe that failsafe mechanism is the 14th Amendment and the president of the United States.”

Appearing on MSNBC later Wednesday morning, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) suggested that it should be the president’s last resort. “As far as the 14th Amendment is concerned, I urge everybody to get their Constitution and read it. It says the debts of the United States shall not be questioned,” she said.

“If [Republicans] want to make this country a deadbeat nation, this president shouldn’t allow it, none of us should allow it. And I think he should seriously look at whatever options he has.”

alelks
07-27-2011, 11:46
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60038.html

“If [Republicans] want to make this country a deadbeat nation, this president shouldn’t allow it, none of us should allow it. And I think he should seriously look at whatever options he has.”

This quote pretty much shows what an Idiot he is as we're becoming a nation of "deadbeats" doing what we are doing. We have so many "deadbeats" on public assistance it's not funny. Give it a little longer and we'll have no choice but to default on our debts.

Pete
07-27-2011, 11:50
If he does.......

The next question becomes "Why have we gone through this nutroll of raising the debt ceiling, what, over 40 times if all it takes is the Prez saying "Do it."?"

The next is "If he does go it alone then he owns it - nobody else."

Badger52
07-27-2011, 11:53
"The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law..."

14th Amendment:

"Section. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

Executive fiat is a no-go as far as I can tell.

nmap
07-27-2011, 17:54
I suspect this is what will happen.

Is it truly constitutional? Probably not, but there is no one to stop him. Congress will breath a sigh of relief since they will no longer own the issue.

The POTUS will, as Pete points out, own it. But he can always claim that the alternatives were worse and that he "saved us" from bad things. And he gains power...

Rahm Emmanuel said "Never let a good crisis go to waste". Worthy of reflection, IMO.

Richard
07-27-2011, 18:13
The ball's in Congress' court - always has been - they'll come up with something or they're going to go down in flames comes the next election cycle and they know it - talk about your 'term limits'...watch how this one shakes out. ;)

And so it goes...

Richard :munchin

Dusty
07-27-2011, 18:28
The ball's in Congress' court - always has been - they'll come up with something or they're going to go down in flames comes the next election cycle and they know it ;)

And so it goes...

Richard :munchin

I agree; in gleeful anticipation.

Dusty
07-28-2011, 07:53
he should try invoking athena first.

Roger that. First thought that came to my mind, but I didn't wanna say anything. :rolleyes: