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No adult themes or morale boosting activities, please. After all, we're American soldiers. :rolleyes:
Camp Phoenix MWR memo for the troops.
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
Ah, does that mean beach volleyball is out?
I mean after all................
Surgicalcric
06-28-2011, 17:08
Who decides, the LTC?
Apparently he needed another OER bullet for party-pooping. :lifter
Then again, if there was more time spent on fighting the war and less in the coffee shops and MWR facilities this would be a non-issue.
Crip
Sounds VERY similar to a memo Gen Boykin wrote for SF Teams deploying down range when he was SF Command Commander. Said teams could not take porn video or magazines or liquor in team boxes on deployment.
LongWire
06-29-2011, 00:45
Wouldn't want anyone getting the wrong idea or being offended would we?
Quit standing around and get back to work!!!!
Eagle5US
06-29-2011, 01:18
Sounds VERY similar to a memo Gen Boykin wrote for SF Teams deploying down range when he was SF Command Commander. Said teams could not take ... or liquor in team boxes on deployment.
This is still VERY much the case. Each month the Legion puts out a "Justice Report" detailing all the folks who got in some sort of trouble...
Last month one detail was an SF CPT who had a photo of him with a "shot" in Theater. Got back, was asked if it was alcohol, he replied in the affirm.
GOMOR and loss of his tab...$400K in training and a career basically done, over a shot of alcohol (or the reaction thereto). It is a STRICT ZERO TOLERANCE policy WRT booze...
craigepo
06-29-2011, 08:43
General Hooker would never have made it past E-4 in today's Army.
Sounds VERY similar to a memo Gen Boykin wrote for SF Teams deploying down range when he was SF Command Commander. Said teams could not take porn video or magazines or liquor in team boxes on deployment.
From my own observation that was an 'extremely' effective order.....
Another completely unenforceable rule
This is still VERY much the case. Each month the Legion puts out a "Justice Report" detailing all the folks who got in some sort of trouble...
Last month one detail was an SF CPT who had a photo of him with a "shot" in Theater. Got back, was asked if it was alcohol, he replied in the affirm.
GOMOR and loss of his tab...$400K in training and a career basically done, over a shot of alcohol (or the reaction thereto). It is a STRICT ZERO TOLERANCE policy WRT booze...
That is simply crazy....where are the common sense guys
Deadhead 63A1
06-29-2011, 10:40
That is simply crazy....where are the common sense guys
Relegated to staffs (sometimes) or shunted to jobs away from troop-leading positions because they won't drink the kool aid.
No violent movies.....in the most violent place on earth. Of course, that makes perfect sense. After all, violence is against the Army values. :confused: C*$Ksucking and ass badgering are in. Must be the new meaning of "Spirit of the Bayonet."
Reminds me of Dr Strangelove (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAeqVGP-GPM)..."Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
This crap is exactly why I'm thinking of not taking "the" money next year. Thinking more and more about it everyday.
Roguish Lawyer
06-29-2011, 11:15
Apologies in advance for straying out of my lane, but what a tool . . .
Surgicalcric
06-29-2011, 12:10
Relegated to staffs (sometimes) or shunted to jobs away from troop-leading positions because they won't drink the kool aid.
What he said...
Sounds VERY similar to a memo Gen Boykin wrote for SF Teams deploying down range when he was SF Command Commander. Said teams could not take porn video or magazines or liquor in team boxes on deployment.
Boykin was the worst of the worst when it came to pushing his Ideology on people. I was seriously preparing to leave the Army when he was in charge. It's all about God until you decide you want to bang your Neighbor.
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
The Reaper
06-29-2011, 20:13
Fun police.
TR
This crap is exactly why I'm thinking of not taking "the" money next year. Thinking more and more about it everyday.
Well Brother do think hard about it, don't let the D^#kheads get you down...they exist everywhere.
What doesn't exist everywhere are guys that have the qualities your teammates do, and they need guys that get promoted and do have common sense.
Thanks CSM. I will continue to think it over and in a few months, when the time arrives, I will make the right decision for me and my family (including team family).
219seminole
06-30-2011, 00:12
That letter does bring in sharp focus what it was like to be in the Army: lots of BS. On a lighter note, anyone around here who served on Oki probably knows about Okuma R&R center, and sat in the Tiki Bar watching the babes on the beach. In 1977 I was sent up there to get it ready for transfer to the Air Force. Each week 2 or 3 movies, for the pleasure of guests and staff, would arrive with the supplies. For the 4th of July holiday, when the place was packed with funseekers, I made a command decision to not show one of the weekly movies: JAWS.
The staff, all enlisted guys, bitched to me so much about it I finally gave in and had a midnight showing...which was actually an inadvertent good decision...and it became a great party at the outdoor theater with lots of beer.:munchin
Okuma was my brief exposure to the world of MWR. BTW, did anyone ever visit the nude beach at Okuma?
No adult themes or morale boosting activities, please. After all, we're American soldiers. :rolleyes:
Camp Phoenix MWR memo for the troops.
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
Richard,
Truly amazing where you find these wonderful anecdotes.
Being a semi-resident of Camp Phoenix, the fun police are out there.. no headphones on the running track.
they'll change their tune after the six month mark when their reenlistment rate bottoms out.
At least I have a choice of Sports or News when using the eliptical machines in the gym..
It amazing how large the masses are who are looking for something different and wanting to come to SF and escape the regular army... though a lot of them are just "talk".
Well Brother do think hard about it, don't let the D^#kheads get you down...they exist everywhere.
What doesn't exist everywhere are guys that have the qualities your teammates do, and they need guys that get promoted and do have common sense.
Ditto. The grass is always greener.....
Especially if you go back to work for the government. I work for the RA and they are 100 x worse than anything you would see in SF.
When we had strippers in the clubs on post.
When NCODP was absolutley professional; beginning with grabbing a couple beers, a 5 min briefing by the CSM, an S2/3 briefing for the next 3 months followed by a Vietnam Vet Silver Star winner or similar role model giving not a speech, but more of a debrief and then open bar and strippers.
Most professional and competent units I was ever in.
Road marches in from the field that about killed you but there was beer on ice waiting for you as you cleaned your rifles and got 100% turn in done.
High morale, high esprit de corp, and PROFESSIONAL SOLDIERs, not CAREER SOLDIERS.
I hope that the generation of mid level leaders living these times rise up in rank to make a direction change.
In the words of a friend "We've created a bureaucracy that would have crippled the Soviet Unioni in half the time"
When we had strippers in the clubs on post.
Last time I nearly cried was when I found the "I Bar" in the Fort Benning O Club was gone and is now a Little Ceasars pizza - I'm not sure I'd be as willing to risk my life for a bare hot pizza.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9EKqQWPjyo&feature=fvst
Richard :munchin
mark46th
06-30-2011, 09:14
I'm glad Boykin wasn't in the 46th Co...
Apparently he needed another OER bullet for party-pooping. :lifter
Then again, if there was more time spent on fighting the war and less in the coffee shops and MWR facilities this would be a non-issue.
Crip
Too funny. My father talked about soldiers in 'theatre' that went to a dance. There were so many guys and not nearly enough women, that they simply danced with each other, or a broom. My dad sat sidelined, saying, "This is so gay, why are we here, and hand me another beer, I'm not dancing with any fella."
I remember in KAF in 2006 to 1007 the AAFES COL in charge of KAF AAFES made a block on the local internet of everything listed in this Memo. Main reason was what he personal believed in. Meaning his religions beliefs, he pushed them onto his subordinates and to all of KAF. Guys on Camp Brown could not do online research due to the Web block filters to the source content; going to war sites or history site due to adult content markings.
What happen to that CPT is one of the main issues within the Army not JUST SF. No drinking cause 82nd to have after their 15 month trip to OIF to result in on average 12 to 15 Soldiers getting DUIs or Alcohol arrests.
You know IMHO if SF Commanders would do more for Regiment in deterred Organized Biker Gangs or Clubs within SF; which result in SF NCOs or Officers going to the hospital and missing deployments or training or having to leave Group because that Club (or Club SF GUY) kick the living piss out of a guy because he was wearing the different colors or wanted to leave that club or whatever. It would be better for that Group or the Regiment than a GOMR for a CPT drinking a Shot of Gin or Vodka or whatever.
I guess Toy Story 4 and Cars 2 will be played alot at that outdoor theater!! :D
Can they play Transformers 3?? There is some nice T and A in the film??
"I guess Toy Story 4 and Cars 2 will be played alot at that outdoor theater!!
Can they play Transformers 3?? There is some nice T and A in the film?? "
We just had an episode of MASH the other night.
These people are the common clay of the land, you know, Morons......
is brokeback mountain on the play list?
TOMAHAWK9521
07-08-2011, 02:03
is brokeback mountain on the play list?
That's probably mandatory for everyone to watch as part of the new "Getting Gay In The Military" sensitivity training programs. :D
TOMAHAWK9521
07-08-2011, 02:05
"I guess Toy Story 4 and Cars 2 will be played alot at that outdoor theater!!
Can they play Transformers 3?? There is some nice T and A in the film?? "
We just had an episode of MASH the other night.
These people are the common clay of the land, you know, Morons......
There's an outdoor theater here on KAF? And they're playing Cars 2?! :eek: