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Richard
06-16-2011, 08:47
Interesting.

Richard :munchin

Our Lefty Military
N.D. Kristoff, NYT, 15 Jun 2011

As we search for paths out of America’s economic crisis, many suggest business as a paradigm for cutting costs. According to my back-of-the-envelope math, top C.E.O.’s earn as much as $1 a second around the clock, partly by cutting medical benefits for employees. So they must be paragons of efficiency, right?

Actually, I’m not so sure. The business sector is dazzlingly productive, but it also periodically blows up our financial system. Yet if we seek another model, one that emphasizes universal health care and educational opportunity, one that seeks to curb income inequality, we don’t have to turn to Sweden. Rather, look to the United States military.

You see, when our armed forces are not firing missiles, they live by an astonishingly liberal ethos — and it works. The military helped lead the way in racial desegregation, and even today it does more to provide equal opportunity to working-class families — especially to blacks — than just about any social program. It has been an escalator of social mobility in American society because it invests in soldiers and gives them skills and opportunities.

The United States armed forces knit together whites, blacks, Asians and Hispanics from diverse backgrounds, invests in their education and training, provides them with excellent health care and child care. And it does all this with minimal income gaps: A senior general earns about 10 times what a private makes, while, by my calculation, C.E.O.’s at major companies earn about 300 times as much as those cleaning their offices. That’s right: the military ethos can sound pretty lefty.

“It’s the purest application of socialism there is,” Wesley Clark, the retired four-star general and former supreme allied commander of NATO forces in Europe, told me. And he was only partly joking.

“It’s a really fair system, and a lot of thought has been put into it, and people respond to it really well,” he added. The country can learn from that sense of mission, he said, from that emphasis on long-term strategic thinking.

The military is innately hierarchical, yet it nurtures a camaraderie in part because the military looks after its employees. This is a rare enclave of single-payer universal health care, and it continues with a veterans’ health care system that has much lower costs than the American system as a whole.

Perhaps the most impressive achievement of the American military isn’t its aircraft carriers, stunning as they are. Rather, it’s the military day care system for working parents.

While one of America’s greatest failings is underinvestment in early childhood education (which seems to be one of the best ways to break cycles of poverty from replicating), the military manages to provide superb child care. The cost depends on family income and starts at $44 per week.

“I absolutely think it’s a model,” said Linda K. Smith, executive director of the National Association of Child Care Resource and Referral Agencies, which advocates for better child care in America. Ms. Smith, who used to oversee the military day care system before she retired from the Defense Department, said that the military sees child care as a strategic necessity to maintain military readiness and to retain highly trained officers.

One of the things I admire most about the military is the way it invests in educating and training its people. Its universities — the military academies — are excellent, and it has R.O.T.C. programs at other campuses around the country. Many soldiers get medical training, law degrees, or Ph.D.’s while in service, sometimes at the country’s finest universities.

Then there are the Army War College, the Naval War College and the Air War College, giving top officers a mid-career intellectual and leadership boost before resuming their careers. It’s common to hear bromides about investing in human capital, but the military actually shows that it believes that.

Partly as a result, it manages to retain first-rate officers who could earn far higher salaries in the private sector. And while the ethic of business is often “Gimme,” the military inculcates an ideal of public service that runs deep. In Afghanistan, for example, soldiers sometimes dig into their own pockets to help provide supplies for local schools.

Granted, it may seem odd to seek a model of compassion in an organization whose mission involves killing people. It’s also true that the military remains often unwelcoming to gays and lesbians and is conflicted about women as well. And, of course, the opportunities for working-class Americans are mingled with danger.

But as we as a country grope for new directions in a difficult economic environment, the tendency has been to move toward a corporatist model that sees investments in people as woolly-minded sentimentalism or as unaffordable luxuries. That’s not the only model out there.

So as the United States armed forces try to pull Iraqi and Afghan societies into the 21st century, maybe they could do the same for America’s.

Hoo-ah!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/16/opinion/16kristof.html?_r=1&src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB

Dusty
06-16-2011, 08:57
Interesting.

Richard :munchin

Our Lefty Military
N.D. Kristoff, NYT, 15 Jun 2011

As we search for paths out of America’s economic crisis, many suggest business as a paradigm for cutting costs. According to my back-of-the-envelope math, top C.E.O.’s earn as much as $1 a second around the clock, partly by cutting medical benefits for employees. So they must be paragons of efficiency, right?

Actually, I’m not so sure. The business sector is dazzlingly productive, but it also periodically blows up our financial system. Yet if we seek another model, one that emphasizes universal health care and educational opportunity, one that seeks to curb income inequality, we don’t have to turn to Sweden. Rather, look to the United States military.

So as the United States armed forces try to pull Iraqi and Afghan societies into the 21st century, maybe they could do the same for America’s.

Hoo-ah!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/16/opinion/16kristof.html?_r=1&src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB

This premise is missing an important factor, e.g. the UCMJ.

sinjefe
06-16-2011, 09:06
“It’s the purest application of socialism there is,” Wesley Clark, the retired four-star general and former supreme allied commander of NATO forces in Europe, told me. And he was only partly joking.

Very telling on his part.


The military is innately hierarchical, yet it nurtures a camaraderie in part because the military looks after its employees. This is a rare enclave of single-payer universal health care, and it continues with a veterans’ health care system that has much lower costs than the American system as a whole.

Really? Full medical and dental benefits at MTFs like most of us were promised? What about the current debate on military retirements and health care premiums?

1stindoor
06-16-2011, 09:16
This premise is missing an important factor, e.g. the UCMJ.

It's also missing the fact that it's budget, the one that includes those same very social programs, is constantly under attack.

jbour13
06-16-2011, 09:39
It's also missing the fact that it's budget, the one that includes those same very social programs, is constantly under attack.

So what you are saying is that under rules of Socialism we could cull the herd and get rid of people when we can't afford to pay for them?

The Army is downsizing soon, just like other services. We get to go into the civilian world. If the civilian world adopted this same strategy, where would they go?

Such questions :p :D

PRB
06-16-2011, 09:45
yes very lefty with the 30 hour work week, unions, overtime pay and personal freedom to say and do whatever you feel like.
What our hero forgot to mention is why all Armies are fashioned in this manner with the care and feeding of soldiers...so that they can totally focus upon closing with and killing the enemy......not some social sysytem based upon itself.
Let's see how well the lefty social programs like 'welfare for life' roll into the military system.
Hell, half the time lately the military is wasting time fighting to hold the line on social experiments imposed by social engineering specialists (politicians).

11Ber
06-16-2011, 09:47
Wes Clark makes me sick. Excellent health care? Where is that at and how can I find it?

JimP
06-16-2011, 09:57
Although it WOULD be kinda cool to make some big-fat slovenly porcine grease-sweating 300-pounds of chewed bubblegum liberal do PT and take a hill under machine-gun fire. (and then court-martial them when they refuse or "axe" where da' obamma cash "be").

Dusty
06-16-2011, 10:00
There is precedent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FxgDNE5bTU

PRB
06-16-2011, 12:08
Wes Clark makes me sick. Excellent health care? Where is that at and how can I find it?

Totally agree. He was an arrogant AH on active duty and a power hungry where's the spotlight can you hear me now AH today.

rdret1
06-16-2011, 14:09
Wes Clark makes me sick. Excellent health care? Where is that at and how can I find it?

Without going into a lot of specifics, I cannot honestly complain too much about the health care, especially since retirement. Regarding Gen Clark's comments, you have to remember that he ran for president as a Democrat too, finally endorsing Kerry.

bubba
06-16-2011, 15:13
Hell, I like the idea if we actually apply the rules, as written.........

Overweight, we chapter you
Cheat on your spouse, we chapter you
Don't pay your bills, we chapter you
Don't show up to work, we chapter you
etc, etc, etc..........

Now, where you end up when you get chaptered..............