View Full Version : Pakistan arrests CIA informants
Last hard class
06-15-2011, 00:51
This is not good news for future informants.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43404265/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times
LHC
And this comes as a surprise? They're saving face in order to be spared from AQ retribution.
I think cutting back aid should be our first move.
MiTTMedic
06-15-2011, 06:14
I wonder which US Official threw 'em under the bus?
I wonder which US Official threw 'em under the bus?
Obama.
greenberetTFS
06-15-2011, 10:36
Obama.
You say that in jest,funny if it was true.............:eek:
Big Teddy :munchin
I would like to formally invite Pakistan to kiss my ass.
...But the United States is reliant on Pakistan to apply pressure on Taliban leaders, over whom they have historically had great influence...
Seems that the flow of influence has been reversed, given their recent actions.
We give then X number or better X amount of USD yearly for their support on WOT. I say F-them and tell them; look we know X,Y& Z and we are giving you x number weeks to get our boys into the TTP, TB and AQ areas. Your PAKMIL will lead the way (not) but our guys will be there with your PAKMIL, SSG, and Commandos.
PAKMIL and ISI is killing our guys in Afghanistana and we can't do a thing.
ISI is trying to figure out how a US Agency got into their counrty and got under their nose so far and they didn't know X,Y & Z was happening. SO now, they are playing catch up games. Torturing their own people to get to the answers they want.
ReefBlue
06-15-2011, 14:12
And this comes as a surprise? They're saving face in order to be spared from AQ retribution.
I think cutting back aid should be our first move.
But we need that money to help secure our nuclear weapons from people who would want to steal them from us . . . .
In other words: This is a nice little store you've got here, it'd be a shame if anything were to happen to it, you give us a hundred bucks a week and we'll make sure you stay safe . . .
PAKMIL and ISI is killing our guys in Afghanistan and we can't do a thing.
Since when are they directly doing that?
The Reaper
06-15-2011, 19:49
Better yet, tell them we are giving their aid money to India to buy American weapons with.
TR
twistedsquid
06-15-2011, 20:48
how does one deal with a narcissistic political state that possesses the bomb?
Whatever...
If our good buddies the Israelis had launched a raid outside of west point without informing us or asking us permission to kill the last remaining Nazi, and then bragged about US nationals assisting the Mossad in surveilling him... the FBI would round up every one of those good samaritans they could get their hands on and attempt to charge them with espionage. US - Israeli relationship be damned.
Not defending the Pakistanis generally. I'm just sayin'.
Whatever...
If our good buddies the Israelis had launched a raid outside of west point without informing us or asking us permission to kill the last remaining Nazi, and then bragged about US nationals assisting the Mossad in surveilling him... the FBI would round up every one of those good samaritans they could get their hands on and attempt to charge them with espionage. US - Israeli relationship be damned.
Not defending the Pakistanis generally. I'm just sayin'.
But that's not what happened, is it?
Not so many years ago, (post WWII), we assisted Israeli Intelligence to round up Nazis and watch public shootings in Germany while we sat side-lined eating popcorn.
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Who saw on the news today, Pakistan denied CIA agents VISA access to country to begin joint service with ISI teams? Really, just two weeks after Pakistan announces "we are willing to work with American intelligence service depts."
Whatever...
If our good buddies the Israelis had launched a raid outside of west point without informing us or asking us permission to kill the last remaining Nazi, and then bragged about US nationals assisting the Mossad in surveilling him... the FBI would round up every one of those good samaritans they could get their hands on and attempt to charge them with espionage. US - Israeli relationship be damned.
Not defending the Pakistanis generally. I'm just sayin'.
Talk about apples and oranges! Pakistan, according to some of the talking heads in D.C., is supposed to be "one of our greatest allies in the area." These are not the actions of a great ally.
Since when are they directly doing that?
Are you for real!!!?!?!?!?!?!? It doesn't have to be directly and I wouldn’t say even if I could. Facts are Facts.
Get out from under your rock, better yet. I bet you read MSNBC and other web sites like them. Go back there and find your proof.
ISI trains local insurgents within FATA and Tribal areas for a very long time. Unfortunately it goes back to when we worked with them during the CIRC 80’s (Soviet War). We taught them well and they ran like hell doing it.
TR yes we should start doing that. But A. Q. Khan would just be Pakistan escape goat again for sell more Pakistani nuclear weapons and Pakistani technology off to the highest bitter. Khan had provided Iran, Libya, and North Korea. Like to see what will come out of the Spring Libya upraising.
Who saw on the news today, Pakistan denied CIA agents VISA access to country to begin joint service with ISI teams? Really, just two weeks after Pakistan announces "we are willing to work with American intelligence service depts."
They have always been play this flip flop visa games. To get in to that Counrty you have to give so much information it's not funny.
I would start to wonder if they (ISI) would be knocking on peoples doors here in the state. Hitting people up at their local US City Bars and clubs, golf courses, ETC.
how does one deal with a narcissistic political state that possesses the bomb?
Are you talking about Obama, Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong?
Pakistan has been playing those games for at least 3 decades. I'm not surprised they're chasing down informants, their ego got brutally smashed by that superb operation carried out on their backyard by DEVGRU personnel. Not to forget about how badly they were exposed in front of world's public opinion in terms of turning their back on OBL. I mean, how could the almighty ISI not know about OBL 's presence when the agency did? C'mon...
I could be wrong, but shouldn't CIA protect its local assests to a certain extent? I mean, they spend millions in buying cooperation from local tribal leaders in A-stan, how could a few relocations affect their budget? If you don't wanna do it for the people, do it for OPSEC and viability for future operations.
Just sayin'
As long as we have troops in Afghanistan, unless we are prepared to kowtow to Russia for alternative resupply routes, Pakistan has leverage to be a major nuisance as long as we use their soil for resupply. India has beaten Pakistan every time they go to war, they just never keep the captured territory. Indian interests align well with America's, there are many reasons to grow this relationship outside of irking Pakistan
blacksmoke
06-19-2011, 20:41
They have always been play this flip flop visa games. To get in to that Counrty you have to give so much information it's not funny.
I would start to wonder if they (ISI) would be knocking on peoples doors here in the state. Hitting people up at their local US City Bars and clubs, golf courses, ETC.
Even U.S. military personel? Do they have to fill out forms like an SF86 questionaire to get into Pakistan? That would be very unsettling for an American citizen to have to list his last 10 years of adresses and relatives for the priveledge of being there. I know that the Iraqi interpretors that immigrate here have to give such info, or so I'm told.
Even U.S. military personel? Like an SF 86 type deal? Just curious.
What going on with your security clearance, SF 86? What is your unit security admin teling you? There are other security question threads, post if applicable.
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