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JJ_BPK
06-10-2011, 14:02
Sure glad I'm not a SEAL Shrink...



http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/navy-commandos-expect-their-shrinks-to-be-waterboarded/

Navy Commandos Expect Their Shrinks To Be Waterboarded
By Spencer Ackerman Email Author, June 10, 2011, 2:52 pm, Categories: Military Life

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Navy Commandos Expect Their Shrinks To Be Waterboarded

By Spencer Ackerman Email Author
June 10, 2011 |
2:52 pm |
Categories: Military Life


Want to help Navy SEALs stay mentally fit enough to survive capture by the enemy? Good. Just let me put this cloth over your face while I fill my water bucket.

The military trains its troops to deal with the contingencies of getting stranded behind enemy lines. That involves passing a rigorous course called Survival Evasion Resistance Escape, or SERE — which, for elite commandos, simulates capture and torture. If SERE sounds familiar, that’s probably because former Air Force psychologists involved in the program brought its harshest methods, like waterboarding, to the CIA shortly after 9/11 for use against captured terrorists. The rest is infamy.

But that was an aberration. SERE psychologists are actually supposed to stop torture if they observe it. And they’re supposed to provide guidance during the extreme training “if students show signs of becoming mentally unstable,” according to a recent solicitation for SERE shrinks from U.S. Special Operations Command. One of the ways they’ll know is that they’ll have had to experience all the pain of the SERE course themselves.

SOCOM clarified that before psychologists can ship out to San Diego to assist Navy SEALs pass the SERE course, they must “be a graduate of a SERE level C training curriculum.” Level C is the highest level of SERE training, the ones that commandos with a “high risk of capture” endure.

The importance of the training is underscored in a 2010 Army aviation document. “Soldiers without fundamental SERE-C competencies are not able to mitigate certain risks inherent in military operations,” the document reads, “and become factors in the isolating incident and increased risks to others during personnel recovery rescue operations.”

The solicitation specifies that it won’t specifically provide SERE Level C training for interested shrinks. That gives quite the advantage to commandos-turned-psychologists.

The military is cagey as to whether waterboarding — simulated drowning — remains a part of SERE instruction after the post-9/11 torture controversy. Nor does it discuss what other tactics SERE Level C involves. But a former Navy SERE instructor, Danger Room friend Malcolm Nance, once explained what psychologists working on SERE may still have to endure, as he went through it himself.

“It’s a very rapid process where a person is put onto a table and, of course, water is introduced until it overcomes their ability to swallow or spit it away. And then of course it goes down into the esophagus and onto the trachea and starts filling the lungs,” Nance told ABC’s Brian Ross in 2007.

It’s a far cry from a tweedy headshrinking practice. During “days 7,8 and part of 9″ during the ten-day SERE course, “the psychologist must be physically on site 24 hours during the SERE exercise in case of emergency.” And it promises to push even psychologists’ endurance to the absolute physical limit.

See Also:

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Think You’d Remember the Face of Your Torturer? Think Again
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SEALs sure are tuff...

rdret1
06-11-2011, 02:07
Just send in "The Bearded One" ! He will have them all squared away in no time! No shrink required!

blue02hd
06-12-2011, 06:59
You don't need to worry about being water boarded if you walk on water. Silly reporter has it all wrong!

Dusty
06-12-2011, 07:56
Just send in "The Bearded One" ! He will have them all squared away in no time! No shrink required!

:D I haven't thought of that guy in years!

scooter
06-12-2011, 08:11
They're tough AND good looking....

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/8e464776e6/the-navy-seal-who-killed-osama-bin-laden

wet dog
06-12-2011, 08:47
:D I haven't thought of that guy in years!

His name comes up during periods of my darkest dreams or when I have a fleeting moment of panic and memories of a daily interrogation down by the river come to mind.

Other than that, I'm fine, really.....

Dusty
06-12-2011, 09:14
His name comes up during periods of my darkest dreams or when I have a fleeting moment of panic and memories of a daily interrogation down by the river come to mind.

Other than that, I'm fine, really.....

I'm sitting here racking my brain-what did Don's wife do? Seems like she worked in SWC somewhere, but I've drawn a blank...

uplink5
06-12-2011, 09:28
:D I haven't thought of that guy in years!

He was my accountant before I left for SERE in 1990 and though my wife knew, I had no idea about his real identity until on that fatefull day when I was presented before him, "The Bearded One". He smiled broadly and upon smiling back at him, (my first mistake) he commenced to re-educate me. It was then that I realised that this man knew EVERYTHING about me and I knew absolutely nothing about him. I learned some valuable lessons which have been a part of who I've been ever since. He left MANY impressions.....:rolleyes:

ALL GOOD......:lifter

wet dog
06-12-2011, 10:23
"The Bearded One". He smiled broadly and upon smiling back at him, (my first mistake) he commenced to re-educate me. It was then that I realised that this man knew EVERYTHING about me and I knew absolutely nothing about him.

What you meant to say was, he knew much about you, while you still learning about yourself.

Sounds like your education was much like mine, one humbling experience after another.

uplink5
06-12-2011, 10:32
What you meant to say was, he knew much about you, while you still learning about yourself.

Sounds like your education was much like mine, one humbling experience after another.

Oh, but of course....

I learned some valuable lessons which have been a part of who I've been ever since. He left MANY impressions.....

I must add though that I'm still learning every day......:munchin


Hope you're doing well Eric.....jd

Team Sergeant
06-12-2011, 10:49
Air Force psychologists involved in the program brought its harshest methods,

It's extremely difficult for me to envision anything in the Air Force as "harsh".;)

Back in the day we used to waterboard our girlfriends before they were allowed to date one of us....:munchin

Jgood
06-12-2011, 18:21
I hear he is a real nice guy when you get to know him lol
Just send in "The Bearded One" ! He will have them all squared away in no time! No shrink required!


I see a few of them around town every once awhile and a small voice tells me "am cold because am malingering"

Dozer523
06-13-2011, 01:50
It's extremely difficult for me to envision anything in the Air Force as "harsh".;)

Back in the day we used to waterboard our girlfriends before they were allowed to date one of us....:munchinBack in Spokane 1990-92 I got to be skiing buddies with an AF LTC who was also a SERE School Squadron CO. He explained a surprisingly effective technique . . . blind-folded students were stripped for "routine medical examinations". Eventually, they would hear a female voice commenting derogatorily about their tattoos, scars etc. The impression left in the prisoners mind was a woman was observing and mocking them in a vulnerable state with complete impunity and immunity. How they did it without her actually seeing the naked guys was complicated. Remember the first "Survivor"? There was a female AF SERE Instructor who was voted off the island early.

mark46th
06-13-2011, 09:01
[...blind-folded students were stripped for "routine medical examinations". Eventually, they would hear a female voice commenting derogatorily about their tattoos, scars etc. (Dozer)]

I knew a couple of guys I would like to have seen stripped and commented on by a female. I think her comments would have been more along the lines of,"Oh my God!"

wet dog
06-13-2011, 09:25
Loose the blind folds, have a few SF wives and girlfriends gawk upon the SERE students.

I, at least got off one "hey baby", followed by a smile and wink.