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Richard
06-02-2011, 06:45
Shadows of the OSS...

And so it goes...

Richard :munchin

The Blurring of CIA and Military
WaPo, 1 Jun 2011

One consequence of the early “war on terror” years was that the lines between CIA and military activities got blurred. The Pentagon moved into clandestine areas that had traditionally been the province of the CIA. Special Forces began operating secretly abroad in ways that worried the CIA, the State Department and foreign governments.

The Obama administration is finishing an effort to redraw those lines more carefully, issuing a series of new executive orders (known as “EXORDS”) to guide the military’s intelligence activities, sometimes through what are known as “special access programs,” or SAPs.

The power of combining CIA and military resources was shown in the May 2 raid that killed Osama bin Laden. The firepower came from the Navy SEALs, a Special Forces unit that normally functions under the Title 10 war-fighting authority of the military. Because the SEALs were operating inside Pakistan, a country with which the United States isn’t at war, the CIA supervised the mission under Title 50, which allows the agency to conduct “deniable” activities overseas.

The system worked in the Abbottabad raid. But over the past 10 years, there have been instances when crossing the traditional lines created potential problems for the United States. It’s especially important to understand these boundaries now as Gen. David Petraeus prepares to take over as CIA director. If the rules aren’t clear, people at home and abroad may worry about a possible “militarization” of U.S. intelligence.

This column will examine how the lines got blurred between 2001 and 2006, when Donald Rumsfeld was secretary of defense and the war on terror presented new and difficult legal issues. President George W. Bush initially embraced Rumsfeld’s decisions, but at the end of 2006, he changed course. A second column will examine the cleanup that was started in 2007 by Bob Gates, Rumsfeld’s successor. It’s one of Gates’s most important but little-understood legacies.{stay tuned ;) }

Rumsfeld has argued that his actions were proper and necessary, whatever second-guessers may say.

The push to expand Pentagon intelligence activities began soon after Sept. 11, 2001. Congress passed an “authorization for use of military force” against
al-Qaeda that arguably created a global battlespace against terrorists. Rumsfeld was worried that the Pentagon wasn’t effectively using its best assets, the highly trained Special Forces. That concern was compounded by the success of the CIA’s small paramilitary force in the 2001 Afghanistan war.

“Rumsfeld was frustrated that he sat on this enormous capability he could not fully utilize,” recalls John McLaughlin, who was the CIA’s deputy director from 2000 to 2004. He describes the Pentagon’s initial attempt to bolster intelligence operations after Sept. 11 as “an awkward, stumbling, improvisational, crash-bang kind of thing.”

Rumsfeld was creative in expanding his turf to fight a global war on terrorism. He installed Stephen Cambone in the new post of undersecretary of intelligence in 2003. He also authorized
forward-deployed Special Forces units overseas. These became known as “Military Liaison Elements,” or MLEs, since part of their mission was to work with local special forces. But the MLEs also conducted what was known as “operational preparation of the environment” in countries that weren’t war zones.

CIA and State Department officials worried that the Pentagon was creating alternative intelligence platforms. “We went nuts,” recalls McLaughlin. Rumsfeld cooperated in working out rules for coordination with local station chiefs and ambassadors, but the foray left scars.

Former intelligence officials recall sensitive “preparation of the environment” missions inside nations such as Iran. I recently reviewed an August 2006 “SAP Action Memo” from Cambone to Rumsfeld requesting an extension of a “commercial covert operative” in two volatile Arab countries. The military isn’t authorized to conduct “covert” activities, so a senior Defense official says this may simply be “sloppy writing.” It could also be something inappropriate.

Long skeptical of the CIA bureaucracy, Rumsfeld wanted his own options. In late 2001, he set up his own “Counter Terrorism Evaluation Group” reporting to Undersecretary Douglas Feith. According to Bradley Graham’s 2009 biography of Rumsfeld, the Pentagon’s inspector general concluded in 2007 that this push for “alternative intelligence assessments” had been “inappropriate.”

Another point of friction was Iraqi exile leader Ahmed Chalabi. The CIA refused to deal with him, arguing that he was unreliable. Here, too, Rumsfeld approved a workaround. Chalabi had his own special liaison officer in 2003 and 2004 who connected him with Centcom and top Pentagon officials.

By the time Gen. Mike Hayden was nominated to be CIA director in 2006, it was clear that better coordination was needed. The head of the CIA’s operations directorate advised Hayden: “We welcome more players on the field. We just need to be sure we’re synchronized.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-blurring-of-cia-and-military/2011/05/31/AGsLhkGH_story.html

Pete
06-02-2011, 06:57
Interesting what the CIA folks have to save. Sounds like someone came in and stmped all over their garden.

They didn't do so well with the "Arab Spring" the past few months.

MtnGoat
06-02-2011, 07:46
Richard,

Nice find and post.

I’ll say this, the inter-agency roles will be better along those same lines as worst due IMHO with Technology. I think things work in the 50’s to 70’s. Then in late 70’s thing got messed up in some way with computers and other tech wise things.

Lastly – Someone say Drop Kick!!! TMI :eek:!!!!!!!

Also, if the civilians in control want that power. That is our system, just as within an organization. Power can lead to corruption.

JJ_BPK
06-02-2011, 07:56
Interesting what the CIA folks have to save. Sounds like someone came in and stmped all over their garden.

They didn't do so well with the "Arab Spring" the past few months.


I think this 1st comment must be a CIA spook??


ticked

The bottom line is that we have wasted over $10 TRILLION in the last decade on lies by the bush/cheney/tenet/rove/rumsfeld/wolfowitz et al and it took 10 years to find one person.....what a complete waste of money and lives.....there is no conscienable reason for the deaths and maiming of hundreds of thousands based on those same lies..........

The time has come to change the focus of defense and security and intel spending ....to what is stated in the Constitution of the United States- for the "defence" of the country- stop policing the world and its oceans and bring our troops home...............previous post below-

There he is the 800lb gorilla but the politicians and media all seem not see him- i.e. the US politicians wasting of approx. $1.5+ TRILLION a year (dod, security, war appropriations, veterans admin) on these senseless and unethical wars and destruction and maiming and killing....end these wars based on lies and military industrialists buying politicians and close down nearly ALL foreign bases and bring our troops home then CUT IN HALF - dod, homeland security, veterans admin. and 145 other fed security forces ....

Additionally, fire all mercenaries and NEVER HIRE ANY OF THEM AGAIN!

This would be sa good start to becoming an ethical and moral country again............. See Less
6/1/2011 9:55:16 PM EDT


I guess we need to make some changes to the MOS chart??


CMF 33: Electronic Warfare,,, Modern Warfare MLIIX,, The Last Battle
CMF 96: Intelligence,, Congress Critter Support
CMF 97: Counter/Human Intelligence,, Counter & Drive Thru Service at Micky D's
CMF 98: Signals (Communications) Intelligence ,, RoboCall'ing support for COIN


Just Saying.. :rolleyes::confused::eek:;)

Sigaba
06-02-2011, 12:40
The system worked in the Abbottabad raid. But over the past 10 years, there have been instances when crossing the traditional lines created potential problems for the United States. It’s especially important to understand these boundaries now as Gen. David Petraeus prepares to take over as CIA director. If the rules aren’t clear, people at home and abroad may worry about a possible “militarization” of U.S. intelligence.A Congressional Research Service report, available here (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fas.org%2Fsgp%2Fcrs%2Fterror% 2FR41809.pdf&rct=j&q=congressional%20research%20service%20bin%20laden&ei=wNbnTayxFpHEsAPdkPzmDQ&usg=AFQjCNFUfU3NUt5aoEr0tnqtW8XEPL8m8g&cad=rja), raises obliquely the questions--is this arrangement really necessary and is it legal?

JJ_BPK
06-02-2011, 15:15
A Congressional Research Service report, raises obliquely the questions--is this arrangement really necessary and is it legal?

This report reads like weekly Cliff's Notes for all of MSM..

The oblique questions appear because the source, MSM, doesn't have a clue.. They should talk to bradley manning or wikileek..

To question collaborative efforts, of two federal entities, tasked with the defense of the nation as necessary or legal,, is suspect.


85 The White House. May 2, 2011, Press Briefing by Senior Administration Officials on the Killing of Osama bin
Laden.

86 State Department, Remarks on the Killing of Usama bin Ladin, Remarks by Secretary Clinton, May 2, 2011,
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2011/05/162339.htm.


The Enemy Within...



:munchin

Sigaba
06-02-2011, 16:00
This report reads like weekly Cliff's Notes for all of MSM..

The oblique questions appear because the source, MSM, doesn't have a clue.. They should talk to bradley manning or wikileek..

To question collaborative efforts, of two federal entities, tasked with the defense of the nation as necessary or legal,, is suspect. MOO is that the report reads like a rush job.

That being said, I don't begrudge Congress's think-tank suggesting there may be an opportunity for the legislative branch to check or to balance the executive branch. A show down between the two over presidential war powers is long over due.

My $0.02.

alelks
06-02-2011, 16:40
We've been playing in their pool for some time and doing a much better job of it. Unfortunately we are now adopting some of their tactics which in reality is much less secure than we have been operating in the past. In the city/permissive environment they clean up but in a rural environment we eat their lunch every day of the week.

tonyz
05-22-2013, 07:14
An article that might be of some interest and seems to fit in this thread.

Congress Smashes Pentagon’s New Den of Spies
BY NOAH SHACHTMAN05.21.137:29 PM
WIRED

If the Pentagon’s not careful, it’s going to find its new network of spies rolled up by Congress.

The Defense Clandestine Service was supposed to be the Defense Department’s new squad for conducting “human intelligence” — classic, informant-based spying. The idea was to place up to 1,600 undercover operatives and military attachés around the world, collecting tips on emergent battlefields. The problem was that the U.S. already had a human intelligence crew: the CIA. Almost immediately after the Defense Clandestine Service was introduced, an array of outside observers began to loudly question its value.

Add the House Armed Services Committee’s intelligence panel to that list of skeptics. In its revision of next year’s Pentagon budget (.pdf), released Tuesday, the representatives said they would withhold half of the DCS’ funding until the Pentagon proves that the service “provide[s] unique capabilities to the intelligence community.” It’s the latest haymaker thrown in a decades-long scrum between the Pentagon and Langley (and their backers) for control of America’s spies.

The DCS is part of the Defense Intelligence Agency, which is traditionally tasked with figuring out the number and type of hardware America’s military adversaries have. Think Syrian missiles, Russian tanks, or North Korean artillery. But in recent years, the Defense Intelligence Agency has assigned to itself a new role: less analytical, and more operational. While the CIA has turned more and more to hunting terrorists in the hottest warzones, the thinking went, the DCS could develop sources in the places where the next fight might go down: China and Iran, for sure. But also countries like Yemen, where unemployment is high, and so are the number of criminal gangs looking to recruit. “That’s a fundamentally different kind of enemy to understand,” said Defense Intelligence Agency chief Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who inherited the DCS program from his predecessor but quickly embraced it in public. “Somebody who feels no hope is different [from] someone who puts on a uniform and decides he’s going to be your enemy… We have to have a different mindset to deal with it. We have to be able to go into these environments … with a much different level of preparation.”

To get the job done, the Defense Intelligence Agency reportedly called in 2012 for an increase its number of “collectors” from about 500 to more than 1600. Proponents billed it as a way for the Defense Intelligence Agency to better integrate with the CIA and the rest of America’s intel services.

The logic would be a little easier to accept, if the Pentagon and the CIA hadn’t merged some of their human intelligence (“HUMINT”) forces just six years earlier. In May of 2006, the Defense HUMINT Service was dissolved,and many of its spies were sent over to the CIA, which combined the new personnel with its old Directorate of Operations to form the new National Clandestine Service. Brig. Gen. Michael E. Ennis, the Defense Intelligence Agency’s HUMINT chief, was named the No. 2 at the service. ”And a senior Marine general always serves as the NCS’ deputy director to ensure that the NCS stays focused on military targets of interest,” notes intelligence historian Matthew Aid.

It’s one of the reasons why Aid says he “still does not understand the need for the Defense Clandestine Service. It duplicates what NCS is supposed to provide.”

Congress is just as confused. Last December, they barred DCS from hiring any new spies. In a brutal report, the Senate Armed Services Committee listed the Pentagon’s long-standing human intelligence issues, including “inefficient utilization of personnel trained at significant expense to conduct clandestine HUMINT; poor or non-existent career management for trained HUMINT personnel; cover challenges; and unproductive deployment locations.”

“Multiple studies since the end of the Cold War document these deficiencies, and they led … to [the] recommend[ation of] transferring to the Central Intelligence Agency all responsibilities for the clandestine recruitment of human sources.”

In Tuesday’s markup of the defense budget bill, the House Armed Services panel wasn’t quite so harsh. But they did withhold half of DCS’ proposed budget for next year. And they required the Pentagon to do more than just promise that things would be better this time. If the subcommittee’s version of the bill becomes law, the Defense Secretary will have to “design metrics that will be used to ensure that the Defense Clandestine Service is employed in the manner certified” and provide every 90 days “briefings on deployments and collection activities.”

Defense News’ John Bennett argues the restrictions are relatively mild, and therefore indicate House Republican support for the DCS. (It’s a counterintuitive suggestion, given that no other program was so restrained by the intelligence panel.)

The chairman of that subcommittee, Rep. Mac Thornberry, tells Breaking Defense that the Pentagon will not add any new people or new money for its new human intelligence mission. But on its website — perhaps as a hedge against attrition — the Defense Intelligence Agency is still openly recruiting for case officers in the Defense Clandestine Service, specifically ones who can speak “Arabic, Russian, Chinese, Korean, Farsi, Pashto, Urdu, Dari, Hindi, Turkish, Tajik, Spanish, French, German and Portuguese.” It won’t be easy to do, if DCS’ budget is slashed in half.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/05/pentagon-den-of-spies/

Streck-Fu
05-22-2013, 07:45
The problem was that the U.S. already had a human intelligence crew: the CIA.

But does the CIA really do effective HUMINT any more?