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Before anyone asks, they are all INERT :D
longrange1947
09-04-2004, 17:07
Toe popper, golf ball grenade and Chicom stick grenade. :D
The Reaper
09-04-2004, 17:39
I agree with LR.
U.S. M14 Anti-Personnel Mine, NWM V40 Dutch Minigrenade, and I would suspect the Chinese Type 77-1 Fragmentation Grenade.
TR
You guys are good. The first two are indeed the M14 "Toe Popper" and the Dutch V40.
Now, can anybody tell me where the Dutch came up with the design of the V40?
Your close on the "stick" grenade but this one is not of Chinese origin. :confused:
The Reaper
09-04-2004, 20:43
You guys are good. The first two are indeed the M14 "Toe Popper" and the Dutch V40.
Now, can anybody tell me where the Dutch came up with the design of the V40?
Your close on the "stick" grenade but this one is not of Chinese origin. :confused:
Correction, Russian RGD33 Fragmentation Stick Grenade.
How was that?
TR
I stand before you as a humble servant :boohoo
Not bad TR, but I do believe you will have problems with the next one :munchin
Want to go for the $1,000,000 and guess where the design came from? :D
The Reaper
09-04-2004, 21:14
Ruchnaya Granata Degtyareva
("Hand Grenade of the Degtyarev design")
Model 1933 used during WWII and after, thru Vietnam.
Sheet metal construction, with a removable outer fragmentation sleeve. Time delay fuze with a cocked striker, activated when thrown, utilizing a unique mechanical system.
A most complex grenade design. The RGD-33 was the next generation replacement to the W.W.I. Model 1914/30 stick grenade, which also had a released igniter fuze mechanism.
Rgd-33 (Ruchnaya Granata Degtyareva - Hand grenade Degtyarev) is an anti-personnel grenade with fragmentation. It was developed by Diakonov in 1933, it is largely inspired by V.I.Rdutlovskiy model 1914. It was then improved by engineer Degtyarev. To make it function, it was necessary to push a safety towards the line and to insert a jacket there to explode it (after a course times). This grenade was especially used in its defensive version (represented below) because it could project fragments with more than 20 meters. It was a rather good grenade but it was not without defects. The many operations to prepare it required too much time of the soldiers on the ground and its many parts were expensive (in addition to making long to produce). It was abandoned in favour of Rg-42 .
I would guess you are referring to Degtyarev, and that he was also responsible for the majority of Soviet weapons designs in the inter-war period, to include the RPD MG.
TR
Anybody still want to try to and guess where the design of the V40 came from? :confused:
Anybody still want to try to and guess where the design of the V40 came from? :confused:
V40 Fragmentation - Mini-Grenade - Netherlands - The NWM V40 is a special purpose offensive grenade, popularly used for diversionary attacks and discouraging pursuit. Weighing close to 4 ounces (~0.11kg), the V40 can be carried in much larger quantities than the heavier M61. The smaller size comes at a price, however. While producing 326 fragments, the V40's effective casualty radius is only 5 meters. Accurate placement is paramount if the thrower actually wants to hurt someone.
Tactics: (N3.5 Only) Ideal for use by the fumble-fingered AI, the V40 is also handy aginst camping opponents and Tangos hiding in small rooms. However, active and alert opponents can easily escape the small blast radius if they have room to run.
longrange1947
09-05-2004, 11:38
I would guess they were a copy of the old golf ball grenades we carried in the 60s and early 70s. :lifter
The Reaper
09-05-2004, 12:05
V40 Fragmentation - Mini-Grenade - Netherlands - The NWM V40 is a special purpose offensive grenade, popularly used for diversionary attacks and discouraging pursuit. Weighing close to 4 ounces (~0.11kg), the V40 can be carried in much larger quantities than the heavier M61. The smaller size comes at a price, however. While producing 326 fragments, the V40's effective casualty radius is only 5 meters. Accurate placement is paramount if the thrower actually wants to hurt someone.
Tactics: (N3.5 Only) Ideal for use by the fumble-fingered AI, the V40 is also handy aginst camping opponents and Tangos hiding in small rooms. However, active and alert opponents can easily escape the small blast radius if they have room to run.
Classic reply earlier!
Using gaming web sites for weapons info?:D
TR
TR,
I've seen that grenade before...I just can't remember who was carrying them at the time. ;) They do come in handy, when a suspected "tango" is coming up on your rear entirely to fast. :)
Flashbangs work well also! :lifter
The Reaper
09-05-2004, 12:25
TR,
I've seen that grenade before...I just can't remember who was carrying them at the time. ;) They do come in handy, when a suspected "tango" is coming up on your rear entirely to fast. :)
Flashbangs work well also! :lifter
Good, but a PDM is SO much better!!
Good, but a PDM is SO much better!!
Have to adhere to the ROEs...even stricter from the last time I was there, from what I'm hearing for the PSCs.
NousDefionsDoc
09-05-2004, 13:05
Anybody still want to try to and guess where the design of the V40 came from? :confused:
OSS - WWII It was called a Beano.
They also had one with a propeller on top to arm after it went for a distance and airburst. an instructor blew his own head off throwing it up in the air in one of the few fatal training accidents they had involving an instructor.
Also had an explosive that looked like flour and could be baked, but not eaten - called it Aunt Jemima. Made it into muffins.
You are all so close.
The design came from us, well sorta. It is the the same size and has the same framentation pattern as the old M406(HE)round/cartridge. SOG warriors and Vietnam Vets in general will recognize this round as the round used in the M79, XM148, and later the M203. The Dutch just took the rear portion(actual "grenade") of the M79 round and put a Bouchon (modified) type igniter/detonator on it. Plain and simple. By the way, when the Dutch found out that Mr. Baker (CISO) was purchasing them to be used in The Vietnam unplesantness they stopped shipping them to him. Seems they had always been against our involvement in what they coined as a "Vietnamese Conflict between the Vietnamese people only". Sounds familiar doesn't it. Just FYI :rolleyes:
Ambush Master
09-05-2004, 20:54
You are all so close.
when the Dutch found out that Mr. Baker (CISO)
I didn't even have a clue about "Ben" while I was there. I have since come to know him, for about 20+ years, and consider him a close friend and am forever amazed at what he was able to provide for us !!! We had stuff that was "Way outside " of the standard stuff, and it all worked !!! That was the way of SOG !!
Later
Martin
Correction, Russian RGD33 Fragmentation Stick Grenade.
How was that?
TR
Have a deactivated sample myself.
Have a deactivated sample myself.
Is there any piece of weaponry that you'd like that you don't have in that shop of yours? :D
I remember seeing a picture of some of them out on a blanket once.
longrange1947
09-11-2004, 19:15
You are all so close.
The design came from us, well sorta. It is the the same size and has the same framentation pattern as the old M406(HE)round/cartridge. SOG warriors and Vietnam Vets in general will recognize this round as the round used in the M79, XM148, and later the M203. The Dutch just took the rear portion(actual "grenade") of the M79 round and put a Bouchon (modified) type igniter/detonator on it. Plain and simple. By the way, when the Dutch found out that Mr. Baker (CISO) was purchasing them to be used in The Vietnam unplesantness they stopped shipping them to him. Seems they had always been against our involvement in what they coined as a "Vietnamese Conflict between the Vietnamese people only". Sounds familiar doesn't it. Just FYI :rolleyes:
Dam, could have sworn I stated that it came from the ones we carried in late 60s and early 70s.
Post 6 >>I would guess they were a copy of the old golf ball grenades we carried in the 60s and early 70s. <<
Oh well not emphatic enough. :D
LR1947, wait a minute, you may also be correct depending upon which grenade you are referring to? The V40 is the same grenade that was used in the 60's and early 70's and is slighltly smaller than a golf ball. They only "golf ball" size grenade I know of within that time period is the V40 & V41. Could you be refering to something else?
longrange1947
09-12-2004, 11:37
That is what I am refering to. I have no idea what the nomenclature was for them, we carried them, but did not know them by anything else then the little golf ball grenade. I was but a wee E-5 at the time with very little experience. :)
The Reaper
09-12-2004, 12:00
I think you guys are having commo problems.
The pic is of is essentially the same grenade you carried, LR, so it is not DESIGNED from that mini-grenade, it IS the SAME grenade.
His question was if anyone knew where the Mini-Grenade design came from.
His answer appears to be from the 40mm HE Grenade payload, with a standard Bouchon type pull fuse added.
I cannot dispute that, so I yield to MAB32 on that one.
Besides, they weigh a lot less than your favorite Willie Peter grenade. :munchin
TR
As an interesting side note, Mr. PLaster told me on the phone that he didn't care much for the V40 other than when he became a Covey rider. Then he and the pilot carried them in their "survival kit(s)". He told me that the grenade to him gave a false sense of "lack of power". He just felt that people took it for granted because of its size and didn't give it the respect it deserved but in no way did it compare to the M33. He also told me that he much preferrred the standard M33 while running recon as it was a much better destroyer of things than the standard M26(A1). JUst FYI :)
And as soon as I figure out why I can't get my pictures to post here I will be doing more of the "Guess what I am Part ?" :confused:
As an interesting side note, Mr. PLaster told me on the phone that he didn't care much for the V40 other than when he became a Covey rider. Then he and the pilot carried them in their "survival kit(s)". He told me that the grenade to him gave a false sense of "lack of power". He just felt that people took it for granted because of its size and didn't give it the respect it deserved but in no way did it compare to the M33. He also told me that he much preferrred the standard M33 while running recon as it was a much better destroyer of things than the standard M26(A1). JUst FYI :)
And as soon as I figure out why I can't get my pictures to post here I will be doing more of the "Guess what I am Part ?" :confused:
To Each His Own, I Have Spoken Extensively to One Sog Fellow In particular who sings endless praises of the V-40s.
Just like everything else, Everybody has their opinions.
Team Sergeant
09-13-2004, 11:13
And as soon as I figure out why I can't get my pictures to post here I will be doing more of the "Guess what I am Part ?" :confused:
Send them to me and I'll fix you up.
TS
JD@professionalsoldiers.com