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Dusty
05-30-2011, 18:33
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/who-cares-in-the-middle-east-what-obama-says-2290761.html

This month, in the Middle East, has seen the unmaking of the President of the United States. More than that, it has witnessed the lowest prestige of America in the region since Roosevelt met King Abdul Aziz on the USS Quincy in the Great Bitter Lake in 1945.

While Barack Obama and Benjamin Netanyahu played out their farce in Washington – Obama grovelling as usual – the Arabs got on with the serious business of changing their world, demonstrating and fighting and dying for freedoms they have never possessed. Obama waffled on about change in the Middle East – and about America's new role in the region. It was pathetic. "What is this 'role' thing?" an Egyptian friend asked me at the weekend. "Do they still believe we care about what they think?"

And it is true. Obama's failure to support the Arab revolutions until they were all but over lost the US most of its surviving credit in the region. Obama was silent on the overthrow of Ben Ali, only joined in the chorus of contempt for Mubarak two days before his flight, condemned the Syrian regime – which has killed more of its people than any other dynasty in this Arab "spring", save for the frightful Gaddafi – but makes it clear that he would be happy to see Assad survive, waves his puny fist at puny Bahrain's cruelty and remains absolutely, stunningly silent over Saudi Arabia. And he goes on his knees before Israel. Is it any wonder, then, that Arabs are turning their backs on America, not out of fury or anger, nor with threats or violence, but with contempt? It is the Arabs and their fellow Muslims of the Middle East who are themselves now making the decisions.

Turkey is furious with Assad because he twice promised to speak of reform and democratic elections – and then failed to honour his word. The Turkish government has twice flown delegations to Damascus and, according to the Turks, Assad lied to the foreign minister on the second visit, baldly insisting that he would recall his brother Maher's legions from the streets of Syrian cities. He failed to do so. The torturers continue their work.

Watching the hundreds of refugees pouring from Syria across the northern border of Lebanon, the Turkish government is now so fearful of a repeat of the great mass Iraqi Kurdish refugee tide that overwhelmed their border in the aftermath of the 1991 Gulf war that it has drawn up its own secret plans to prevent the Kurds of Syria moving in their thousands into the Kurdish areas of south-eastern Turkey. Turkish generals have thus prepared an operation that would send several battalions of Turkish troops into Syria itself to carve out a "safe area" for Syrian refugees inside Assad's caliphate. The Turks are prepared to advance well beyond the Syrian border town of Al Qamishli – perhaps half way to Deir el-Zour (the old desert killing fields of the 1915 Armenian Holocaust, though speak it not) – to provide a "safe haven" for those fleeing the slaughter in Syria's cities.

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Sigaba
05-30-2011, 18:56
An archive of Robert Fisk's previous editorials for The Independent is available here (http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/?ibPage=1).

MOO, I'm going to take with a twenty pound bag of salt the opinions of a man who has compared Bush the Younger to Hitler and accused him of legitimating terrorism.

Dusty
05-30-2011, 19:08
An archive of Robert Fisk's previous editorials for The Independent is available here (http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/?ibPage=1).

MOO, I'm going to take with a twenty pound bag of salt the opinions of a man who has compared Bush the Younger to Hitler and accused him of legitimating terrorism.

Nobody's right all the time. :D

akv
05-30-2011, 21:52
Is it clear what the endgame of the Arab Spring is, and if it benefits American interests relative to the status quo? Granted , many of these leaders are despots, democracy if it fosters greater stability in the region seems a positive. Why shouldn't America take it on a case by case basis and only get involved if it benefits our strategic interests, half of these countries could simply trade management from one despot to another, or even worse along the lines of the Muslim Brotherhood, etc. Why would we want to potentially aid that possibility, or get involved further in the region without clear incentive, as the world's superpower at least half the world will find fault with just about anything we do, Memorial Day reinforces the sacrifices our troops have made for American interests, this is our only obligation.

Hacksaw
05-31-2011, 14:30
Why should we help any of the Arab nations? I understand the oil issue is always on the table with respect to that part of the world but most of our oil does not come from them nowadays. If we're going to help prop anyone up it should be the Israelis, they are the only democracy in the region. Additionally, we should have helped out Lebanon when they were getting over run with the Palistinians, our feeble attempt only helped the muslims and totally screwed the Christians. Why do we care if the Syrian gvt is killing their own citizens? Are the protesters actually on our side? Does anyone even know? The ONLY uprising that for sure would have helped us was the Iranian one two years ago, and what did we do....not a damn thing. It's funny how it is often heard that Yasir Arafat never passed up an opportunity to pass up an opportunity....we're different how? God willing, they will kill each other, that is all we should be helping them to do.

Dusty
05-31-2011, 15:49
Why should we help any of the Arab nations? I understand the oil issue is always on the table with respect to that part of the world but most of our oil does not come from them nowadays. If we're going to help prop anyone up it should be the Israelis, they are the only democracy in the region. Additionally, we should have helped out Lebanon when they were getting over run with the Palistinians, our feeble attempt only helped the muslims and totally screwed the Christians. Why do we care if the Syrian gvt is killing their own citizens? Are the protesters actually on our side? Does anyone even know? The ONLY uprising that for sure would have helped us was the Iranian one two years ago, and what did we do....not a damn thing. It's funny how it is often heard that Yasir Arafat never passed up an opportunity to pass up an opportunity....we're different how? God willing, they will kill each other, that is all we should be helping them to do.

Yeah. The last I heard, the new POTUS was elected to get us the hell out.:confused:WTF?