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SO,, what's new??
We have been reading about FET's for several years.
Is this the 1st ARMY FET to actual get deployed??
The Marines have had FET's on the ground for several years..
:munchin
"It's almost like a V-8 moment, like really?" she said. "We didn't think about this sooner?"
Moreover, Staff Sgt. Scott hopes this paves the way for females to eventually serve in combat roles.
"The reason you want to be in combat is because you know you are making a difference," she said. "That's why people want to be in combat. They do it for America. They know being out there, being on the front lines is the most rewarding, most sacrificial spot you can be in."
I hope this young lady is not to disappointed when she experiences COMBAT..
And hope she comes home safe... :lifter
The Reaper
05-18-2011, 06:32
SO,, what's new??
We have been reading about FET's for several years.
Is this the 1st ARMY FET to actual get deployed??
The Marines have had FET's on the ground for several years..
:munchin
I hope this young lady is not to disappointed when she experiences COMBAT..
And hope she comes home safe... :lifter
They aren't being sent to combat, they are being sent as enablers to deal with HN females in certain situations.
She is apparently under a misconception.
TR
They aren't being sent to combat, they are being sent as enablers to deal with HN females in certain situations.
She is apparently under a misconception.
TR
so was the writer... Since the SEALS ......
Everyone want to be something great... Its just great to be something...
AL
:D
They aren't being sent to combat, they are being sent as enablers to deal with HN females in certain situations.
She is apparently under a misconception.
TR
Exactly as I interpreted what I have read about the FET's mission..
The problem is why is a "trained" FET member thinking she is going into combat??
Her misconception can get people hurt...
:confused:
mark46th
05-18-2011, 08:17
When have the Taliban shown any mercy towards women? Acid attacks, burning all girl schools, if the Taliban view them as a threat, the FET will be attacked. They had better be able to defend themselves.
The Reaper
05-18-2011, 09:40
Although, since she's going to A'stan, I think she's inevitably going to be in a combat situation from what I hear of the situation over there.
This sort of lack of understanding is the root cause of the problem.
Maybe people hearing what they want to and thinking themselves well-informed is another component.
Most people in AFG will NOT experience combat. Inlcuding the FETS/CSTs.
Again, they are being brought along to handle females on the OBJs, after the combat. That could change, occasionally, but so far, none have fired rounds in combat, AFAIK.
TR
SSG Scott is in my son's unit. He sent me this IM:
The thing with this is that SSG Scott can meet male standards. I've seen her do her crossfit routine at AT and it would easily kick my ass.
Pat
FWIW, my reading and watching of the story is that SSG Scott believes if she and her sisters can acquit themselves in this mission, women down the line will be considered for combat roles.
I read that as being her personal agenda. The present mission seems important and valuable though, so I hope she's going into it with more than just hopes of furthering her career later.I think the last thirty seconds of the video lay out her personal agenda nicely. YMMV.
Blitzzz (RIP)
05-18-2011, 17:15
..wait until that body bag comes home...
will still be elite.....
MTN Medic
05-18-2011, 17:35
We are over strength, why do we need to lower the standards? Pure and simple, women can't pull their weight, we don't need them, they are a distraction, they cannot operate in a UW environment effectively and they are going to get real SF soldiers in trouble and booted.
I hear about all these "crossfit studettes." Crossfit doesn't make you a good soldier, and it sure as hell doesn't make you SF.
In summary, we are going through budget cuts and getting rid of guys, not plussing up. We don't need the bodies, and we sure as hell don't need the hassle.
Also, haven't heard a good thing about the FET teams yet. Seems like a good program to get a chick balled up by a tango and get a couple operators killed trying to save her.
If women join SF, I am out. I am not sexist; I just don't see how this won't end up as SF being a joke. It will turn everything that SF is on its head.
...as for the video, it is a puff piece and its juxtaposition between FET and SF/SEALS is sickening and repulsive.
TR, all I can respond to that is the husband is having students killed on a regular basis by the taliban and his FOB is being shelled about every 3 days.
Maybe we misunderstand each other on the definition of "combat."
We may,,
My definition of combat is when you go outside the wire looking to engage and kill your enemy(s).
FET's do not look for trouble. When SSG Scott and her team are outside the wire she will be in a highly insulated and maliciously scripted environment.
Can we be assured that some AH with a C4 bra doesn't try.. No.. But with few instances, like the case of Jessica Lynch, females are not targeted. The locals do not take highly to the harming of females.
and being an a FOB that gets shelled is not combat.
My $00.0002
:munchin
I just heard something about this last weekend. I guess they are revamping the program because some psych types are telling them that you cannot win the minds of the people without winning over the minds of the women. And since our men are forbidden from talking to their women, they are revamping the FET concept. I believe they are calling them Lioness's. I don't believe that designation is an OPSEC violation as they were pretty free with it in a public setting.
Still, I doubt they are being trained for direct combat.
I just heard something about this last weekend. I guess they are revamping the program because some psych types are telling them that you cannot win the minds of the people without winning over the minds of the women. And since our men are forbidden from talking to their women, they are revamping the FET concept. I believe they are calling them Lioness's. I don't believe that designation is an OPSEC violation as they were pretty free with it in a public setting.
Still, I doubt they are being trained for direct combat.
You really need to read more and post less..
Google the lioness program, If you don't get a hit the 1st time add the word MARINES...
The force is weak in this one...
I will take your advice and google, and possibly post less.
But the person passing me this information is an Army major. Maybe they are crossloading, don't know.
Damn, I hate it when my force is week.
Check that, decided to google before I hit send.
The original Team Lioness are all Army, and some of them were "attached" to the Marines.
If OD were still kicking, would say you owe me a beer at The Lazy Lephrechan.
EDIT:
Here is a link
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/nov/13/entertainment/et-lioness13
looks like the marines took the name whole hog but it was initiated by the Army. I found another article that said that both the Marines and U.S. Army are currently fielding Lionesses.
AngelsSix
05-18-2011, 18:45
Putting fancy names on them doesn't make them special. The ones that no one ever hears about that have no names....those are special.
This thread is ridiculous and insulting to the women who have spent 20 years trying to overcome the misperceptions of the public, IMO.
I am truly glad I retired. People wear me out with their silly nonsense.
This story is dated Mar 2009 and quotes the Marines as starting the program in 2003-4..
Marine Corps News Room
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Story Date: 3/13/2009 By
Byline: Lance Cpl. Nicholas M. Dunn,
Unit: Marine Air Ground Task Force Training Command 29 Palms
However, since Muslim tradition does not allow a man to touch a woman who is not related to them and knowing American military personnel would not search them unless a female service member was present, insurgents began to use women to smuggle contraband and act as suicide bombers.
To counter this threat, the Marine Corps developed the Lioness Program, which was formed five years ago to provide culturally-sensitive searches on Iraqi women, according to an article written by Regina T. Akers, a Ph.D. historian at the U.S. Naval History and Heritage Command in Washington, D.C.
The Lioness Program attaches female Marines to combat units to search Iraqi women and children who may be trying to smuggle money or weapons through security checkpoints in Iraq. The “lionesses” also train Iraqi women how to conduct proper searches on other women.
“Any time you’re talking about cultural differences, or any other situation, if there is a female involved, you want a female to search them,” said Staff Sgt. James Baker, the Combat Center Provost Marshal’s Office operations chief. “If you don’t follow that rule, you could potentially subject a Marine to the potential hardships of sexual harassment or cultural infringement.
“When you’re in a foreign country or hostile environment, there are a lot of considerations you want to take into account, like cultural differences, language barriers and overall situational awareness,” added the Lexington, Ky., native.
Baker said the Lioness Program observed those differences and successfully struck a balance between maintaining good rapport with the Iraqi people and still allowing Marines to safely do their jobs while deployed.
Cpl. Jacqueline Parker, the Marine Wing Support Squadron 374 supply warehouse noncommissioned officer, was a member of the Lioness Program while on her second deployment to Iraq with her squadron last year. During the deployment, Parker was the only female in the squadron to attend the program.
After attending a week-long training program, she was attached to 1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment, to provide security and search authority for the battalion’s corpsmen while they offered medical treatment to local Iraqis.
“I led a group of female Marines attached to 1/3 in [Camp] Baharia, Iraq,” said the Mobile, Ala., native. “Basically what we did was set up a tent to search Iraqi women and children prior to giving them medical treatment.
“When I first went to the program, I was nervous – you never know what to expect,” Parker said. “Overall, it was an exciting experience for me, though, and I have no regrets whatsoever. It’s good to know you’re doing something to help people, and I like helping out.”
By affording female Marines like Parker the opportunity to serve directly alongside combat units, the Lioness Program inadvertently provided women with more equality on the frontlines.
“Twenty years ago, seeing a female [Marine] at a checkpoint with a bunch of 03s [infantrymen] would’ve been really uncommon,” Baker said. “Now, it’s almost become a norm. It really isn’t a big deal to see women on the frontlines or at these checkpoints.”
With “lionesses” continuing to serve in Iraq, the significance of women Marines serving side-by-side with combat units has been accented by their ability to perform their duties as well as any other Marines manning the checkpoints.
“I don’t think there was a Marine out there who didn’t understand the importance of having females there,” Baker said. “No one I know ever questioned their abilities or their knowledge. We didn’t look at them as females serving at a checkpoint, we just saw another Marine.”
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All the articles I read may say Army Lioness but actually seem to be talking about Marines. Most of the Army quotes are this article, but the content is all Marine
Band Of Sisters - Army "Lionesses" Hit Streets With marines In Combat
August 09, 2004
Band of sisters
Army ‘Lionesses’ hit streets with Marines on combat ops
By Gordon Lubold
Times staff writer
The Army equivalent is the Female Engagement Teams (FET)
Please show references, if your source differs.
AngelsSix
05-18-2011, 19:23
and being an a FOB that gets shelled is not combat.
Tell that to this young man: http://www.blackfive.net/main/2005/04/senior_airman_b.html
I bet you wouldn't want to have someone say that to your wife and family if it were you in that situation. He wasn't in DIRECT combat. But he was in combat. To try and lessen other's roles in theater is disrespectful. True professionals don't try to make light those of a lesser station in life, regardless of that station.
If you would not have the decency to tell that young man and his family that he was not in combat, then perhaps you should not be telling anyone, especially those who only know what the news presents to them.
The Reaper
05-18-2011, 19:25
To me, combat is participating in an engagement between two or more opposing forces where you fire rounds at a target you can see and have a chance of being hit by enemy rounds.
IMHO, being a target of "to whom it may concern" rounds or knowing people who are hit is not participating in combat.
TR
AngelsSix
05-18-2011, 19:34
To me, combat is participating in an engagement between two or more opposing forces where you fire rounds at a target you can see and have a chance of being hit by enemy rounds.
IMHO, being a target of "to whom it may concern" rounds or knowing people who are hit is not participating in combat.
TR
So because one does not have the OPPORTUNITY to fight back or engage means they are not in a combat position? Wow. I had more opportunities to be in "combat" as a civilian police officer than I supposedly did in Iraq. Interesting perspective. And with all due respect, sir. I don't envy the men who have been in combat. Trust me. I know what you call combat.
I would have loved to shot the little asshole that took potshots at me while I stood at the gate in Kirkuk. But apparently he didn't want to engage in combat. As per your definition. So I guess when people are killed in theater due to IED's, they are not in combat??
Definition of combat from Webster:
3. Military . active, armed fighting with enemy forces.
or, as my old man used to say, "It takes two to tango."
The Reaper
05-18-2011, 19:51
So because one does not have the OPPORTUNITY to fight back or engage means they are not in a combat position? Wow. I had more opportunities to be in "combat" as a civilian police officer than I supposedly did in Iraq. Interesting perspective. And with all due respect, sir. I don't envy the men who have been in combat. Trust me. I know what you call combat.
I would have loved to shot the little asshole that took potshots at me while I stood at the gate in Kirkuk. But apparently he didn't want to engage in combat. As per your definition. So I guess when people are killed in theater due to IED's, they are not in combat??
I would say that there is a world of difference between being a casualty and being a wounded combatant.
To me, if you are armed and are looking for the enemy and the enemy uses an IED, that meets the requirement for exchanging rounds. If you are a passenger in a vehicle or aircraft transiting an area, you may be injured, but that does not to me, make you a combatant, anymore than riding in the back seat of a police car makes you a police officer. It isn't strictly a matter of geography.
I am sorry, but if someone was potshotting me, I think I would have probably spent a significant amount of my time looking for a way to make that unhealthy.
I was unaware that our little slice of heaven here provided significant regular opportunities for two way gunfights, but with equal respect, I guess you would know about that better than I.
That was my personal opinion as a former infantryman and SF soldier.
Let's have your definition of combat.
TR
AngelsSix
05-18-2011, 19:52
Nope, it takes THREE.
ONE to set up the rocket tube,
ONE to drop the rocket in the tube,
ONE to yell "run!!!":D
Definition of combat from Webster:
3. Military . active, armed fighting with enemy forces.
or, as my old man used to say, "It takes two to tango."
The Reaper
05-18-2011, 20:00
Nope, it takes THREE.
ONE to set up the rocket tube,
ONE to drop the rocket in the tube,
ONE to yell "run!!!":D
You do not "drop" any rockets I am aware of into a tube.
Sure. If I have to arrange his funeral because he was hit by an rpg, I'll find it damn comforting to know he wasn't in combat.
Does he not carry a weapon?
How would he be hit by an RPG without meeting the above requirements?
TR
This story is dated Mar 2009 and quotes the Marines as starting the program in 2003-4..
All the articles I read may say Army Lioness but actually seem to be talking about Marines. Most of the Army quotes are this article, but the content is all Marine
The Army equivalent is the Female Engagement Teams (FET)
Please show references, if your source differs.
Well,
first will reference the article you last mentioned
Army ‘Lionesses’ hit streets with Marines on combat ops
Army ‘Lionesses’ hit streets with Marines on combat ops
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
By Gordon Lubold
Marine Corps Times staff writer
RAMADI, Iraq — When Marines on the hunt for insurgents here kick in the door, Spc. Shannon Morgan isn’t far behind. She’s part of “Team Lioness,” a small group of women proving itself in one of Iraq’s hottest combat zones.
Women are serving throughout the war zone, but the soldiers in this band of sisters are unique. They’re joining male Marines and soldiers on offensive ops, taking part in raids, security patrols and vehicle checkpoints.
Spc is an Army not Marine Corp rank. It goes on to say this program was developed by the Army, initially 20 women
This article http://www.armytimes.com/entertainment/movies/military_lionessmovie_103108w/
From The Army Times speaks of it as an Army unit, attached to the Marine Corp as necessary.
The five women featured in “Lioness” were among 25 drawn from the Army’s 1st Engineer Battalion and, under the supervision of Maj. Kate Guttormsen, commander of the battalion’s Headquarters Company, attached to Marine units as needed.
Now, I believe the Army founded it from the first article as the guy is a Marine staff writer, but is that the current terminology? I have no idea, other than what I was told last weekend by someone talking about the program who is Army. As to why he was referring to them as Lionesses? Maybe they dropped the terminology, the Marines resurrected it and the Army is taking it back while revamping their FET program. All of that is shear conjecture of course.
And I refer to this quote from the same article;
Army Lt. Col. Mike Cabrey, 40, commander of 1st Battalion, 5th Field Artillery, based here, said he is impressed with the women he’s sent out with his men, and he said he hopes others will also be open- minded.
Now, when reading the articles on how this is a Marine Corp program, which it obviously is now, it said they were the first to officially implement such a program. Maybe the Army one wasn't official. I also read another article which has FET as a Marine Corp term as well, and that was on a Marine Corp website.
But, as my original comment was referring to something I was told, rather than researched, maybe I was told wrong, maybe not. But I think we have both researched this and paid enough attention to detail, unless we take it to the level of serious research, to garner points from both viewpoints.
I haven't been called out like that in quite a while, so you definitely have my respect, not that I would rub whiskers with ya, but you are welcome to a cookout, if you ever get in my neck of the woods.
I'll buy the beer.
AngelsSix
05-18-2011, 20:16
I am not going to throw this thread completely off topic because we all have a difference in opinion. I don't like the rules, that's why I quit playing. There are more than a few people coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan with injuries that were not self inflicted. I like the fact that some people walk around with the impression that it is okay to try to constantly put down the support troops and those who have not engaged the enemy directly. I am truly tired of the belief that combat is about how you engage instead of engagement as a whole. Tell all the Vietnam veterans and Korean veterans that came before you that they are not combat veterans. I am sick to death of people trying to spin definitions of things to make themselves feel bigger, badder, more special than everyone else. It seems to me the military as a whole has turned into a mass of people who define themselves by how many "combat" badges they have.
I personally think that because a person makes a choice to go to a field in the military where they are WELL AWARE that they are going to engage the enemy in whatever fashion you want to paint it, should not give you the right to constantly attempt to deflate (for lack of a better word right now) the people that do not engage in your definition of combat. It is neither respectful or professional in my opinion. Your definition of combat comes from ego. It does not, in my opinion, define what combat is. I think that there is a definitive difference between DIRECT combat and combat. I believe that is where the issue is becoming confused.
I am certainly not calling your experiences, nor the experiences of any of the other SF men on this board into question under any circumstances. I am, however, of the mindset that you have not opened your mind to the idea that there are others in the world before and after you that have experienced combat. Trying to lesson that idea with your definition is a cheap shot.
And as far as a definition in a dictionary goes, it is just like any other book written by a person. It goes to the opinion of the person who wrote it. Different people, different opinions. That is what makes this country great. If we all had the same "opinions", we would probably be socialists or communists, yes??
Astounding. :eek:
Richard :munchin
And as far as a definition in a dictionary goes, it is just like any other book written by a person. It goes to the opinion of the person who wrote it. Different people, different opinions. That is what makes this country great. If we all had the same "opinions", we would probably be socialists or communists, yes??
The dictionary is not a book of opinions. So, if you don't like the definition of something, you just say it is a different opinion? Sorry, but that statement is nutty (and arrogant).
AngelsSix
05-18-2011, 20:30
The dictionary is not a book of opinions. So, if you don't like the definition of something, you just say it is a different opinion? Sorry, but that statement is nutty (and arrogant).
Okay, sir, I'll buy that. Then please explain why dictionaries are written by different people and all the definitions are not exactly the same?
Surgicalcric
05-19-2011, 03:36
... They will not be visiting a nail salon for a looong time...
Obviously you have not seen some of the female service member's nails who are running about Afghanistan or Iraq... ;)
I started to write this note as a pm, but after a while, I changed my mind..
In my head, shelling is shelling, shooting is shooting and dead is most certainly dead. If you want to call it "combat," "conflict" or "people generally being a$$holes" it's all the same -- to me. Obviously, military personnel feel differently about the semantics.
As one who practices law in the US, you should be keenly aware of the problems with the English language. Definition of words and word usage is a problem that perplexes us daily and affects our lives in many ways.
If you are still going to court on a regular bases, You probably have team sessions to coach your witnesses to maximize their testimony.
You strive to articulate your position with the most inflammatory words you think you can get past the judge and opposing team, while gaining maximum impact of the jury.
War Zone and Combat are not the same. You may think using the more inflammatory word can emphasize your statement to the uninvolved, but it will not fly with the BTDT crowd.
I did a little searching last night to find statics of FET & Lioness Teams in actual shoot-em-ups(COMBAT).
In the 5 or 6 years that the Marine Lioness Teams and the last couple years the Army FET's have existed.
I can find NO gun battles, firefights, shoot outs, attacks, EID's, or COMBAT.
I have not completed searching, but truly hope this record continues..
One reference:
359 servicewomen died, mostly from influenza and vehicle and aircraft accidents.
Iraq War and Female Casualties
Female troops are getting killed and wounded in Iraq in unprecedented numbers, reports the Philadelphia Inquirer.
[N]early 400 female service members … have been wounded in Iraq during a war where women have been more exposed than ever to combat. At least 11 have had amputations. More than 50 others have been killed, according to the Defense Department.
Although barred from direct frontline fighting roles, female soldiers have often been under fire at base camps, scurrying for bunkers as mortar rounds rain down. Many others have been attacked in supply convoys. The longtime debate over the role of women in the military has grown heated since the war in Iraq began, and especially since Jessica Lynch’s much-publicized ordeal put a female face on a soldier in combat.
[...]
The losses stand in contrast to other wars, such as Vietnam, where eight female military nurses died - only one of them to hostile fire - and women were usually assigned to areas well out of the line of fire.
Today’s increased combat risk follows 14 years of Defense Department policy changes. In 1992, the Air Force allowed women to fly some missions exposed to combat. The next year, the Navy allowed women on combat ships. And in 1994, female soldiers in the Army were no longer barred from positions that posed a substantial risk of capture.
The policy said service members “are eligible to be assigned to all positions for which they are qualified, except that women shall be excluded from assignment to units below the brigade level whose primary mission is to engage in direct combat on the ground.” Although not assigned to ground combat units, women fly helicopters, serve in bomb-disposal squads, drive trucks, handle checkpoints, and treat the wounded on battlefields - leaving them open to lethal fire.
Interestingly, aside from a spike during the Jessica Lynch story, the public has been remarkably uninterested in this issue, accepting the death of female troops as natural as that of males.
American Female Casualties of Wars
World War I: At least 359 servicewomen died, mostly from influenza and vehicle and aircraft accidents.
World War II: 543 died, mostly from vehicle and aircraft accidents. Sixteen Army nurses died from enemy fire.
Korean War: 17 died, mostly from vehicle or aircraft accidents.
Vietnam War: 8 died, one from hostile fire, one suicide, and the rest from vehicle and aircraft accidents.
Gulf War (Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm): 16 died, mostly from vehicle and aircraft accidents and hostile fire.
Iraq war: 52 have died from hostile fire, and 378 have been wounded in action.
SOURCES: Women in Military Service for America Memorial Foundation; Defense Department.
Sources: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraq_war_at_female_casualties/
I found this site, wish I could get the data into a spread sheet so we could get some details..
http://icasualties.org/Iraq/Fatalities.aspx
In closing,, YOUR HONOR and respected members of the jury...
Lioness Teams & FET's are needed in the current war.
They are modestly effective, given the zealously religious male dominated AO.
I wish them luck and safe passage..
Be Safe..
You've got class, NORMAL550GIRL.
You've got class, NORMAL550GIRL.
Damn sho' do. :lifter
Obviously you have not seen some of the female service member's nails who are running about Afghanistan or Iraq... ;)You have too include "male" service member nails. HELL! I've seen guys getting their eyebrows arched while in Iraq.:confused::eek:
Stay safe.
You have too include "male" service member nails. HELL! I've seen guys getting their eyebrows arched while in Iraq.:confused::eek:
Stay safe.
lol Guy, that's the hardest I've guffawed in weeks!!!
lol Guy, that's the hardest I've guffawed in weeks!!!The "metro-sexual" BS that has infiltrated the military is nauseating!
"120 MFing degrees out here and you're talking about a manicure, pedicure & facial? If you don't get away from me--I'm going to get fired!:mad:
Oh well, FIDO & stay safe.
The Reaper
05-19-2011, 09:23
lol Guy, that's the hardest I've guffawed in weeks!!!
Hey, don't laugh too hard, they are in "combat".
I guess it would hurt someone's feelings if I used the word "FOBBIT" here.
TR
1stindoor
05-19-2011, 10:42
You have too include "male" service member nails. HELL! I've seen guys getting their eyebrows arched while in Iraq.:confused::eek:
Stay safe.
That's so they can maintain the constant "surprised" look on their face!
1stindoor
05-19-2011, 10:44
I had a boyfriend, got into his shower and he had 5 different body washes from Bath and Body Works....that he bought for himself.
Someone, I'm begging you...make it STOP!!!
Your husband didn't have a problem with this?:eek:
Hey, don't laugh too hard, they are in "combat".
I guess it would hurt someone's feelings if I used the word "FOBBIT" here.
TRI watched an Infantry Bn Cdr stand up in a meeting a say:
"You mean to tell me, we have to go out and pull security around the base so that you people who NEVER leave the base can enjoy a concert?":mad:
I saw a female come out of a salon in Iraq in uniform, carrying her boots, wearing flip-flops because she just got a pedicure and no one said a word to her.:confused:
Stay safe.
AngelsSix
05-19-2011, 12:28
Holy crap. That's all I am going to say about that. Men have gotten a little weird these days, as well. There is something icky about a guy acting feminine, as well as a girl acting masculine. YUCK.
I watched an Infantry Bn Cdr stand up in a meeting a say:
"You mean to tell me, we have to go out and pull security around the base so that you people who NEVER leave the base can enjoy a concert?":mad:
I saw a female come out of a salon in Iraq in uniform, carrying her boots, wearing flip-flops because she just got a pedicure and no one said a word to her.:confused:
Stay safe.
All these commits about COMBAT is why I say POTUS could bring home 60K to 80K of service members from Afghanistan and about the same years ago from Iraq.
That is too funny, Guy, I was thinking the exact same thing. It's bad enough it's out here in the civilian population!
I had a boyfriend, got into his shower and he had 5 different body washes from Bath and Body Works....that he bought for himself.
Someone, I'm begging you...make it STOP!!!
My grandmother would feed us kids in shifts.
Boys would return from the hayfield at about 2pm for a large lunch.
We would undress from dirty, filthy clothes, leaving boots/overalls, jeans outside. We would sit at the dinner table in socks, boxers, eating quickly because work was still needed to be finshed outside.
Little was spoken, food moved quickly, a second glass of milk, instructions from grandpa, a kiss on the cheek from grandma. Out the door, get dressed, climb in trucks, head out.
Girls ate later, then they help grandma prepare dinner. Grandpa enjoyed his third cup of coffee between the hours of 3 and 4pm. He'd then saddle his favorite horse and ride out to check on us.
At the end of the day, we'd arrive home, walk past grandma who passed out several bars of soap, dishwasher detergent sqeezed over dry hair, and we jump in the canal.
It was expected to result in clean boys, clean clothes.
It often just resulted in hanging wet clothes on the fence and a swim party before dinner.
I need a new lufa.
1stindoor
05-19-2011, 12:57
At the end of the day, we'd arrive home, walk past grandma who passed out several bars of soap, dishwasher detergent sqeezed over dry hair, and we jump in the canal.
It was expected to result in clean boys, clean clothes.
It often just resulted in hanging wet clothes on the fence and a swim party before dinner.
I need a new lufa.
It was also good training for your future in SF when you had to bathe in the river and wash your clothes by banging them against the rocks you just walked over.
Ret10Echo
05-19-2011, 17:55
HELL! I've seen guys getting their eyebrows arched while in Iraq.:confused::eek:
Stay safe.
What the hell is that? :confused::confused:
Dozer523
05-19-2011, 17:55
I saw a female come out of a salon in Iraq in uniform, carrying her boots, wearing flip-flops because she just got a pedicure and no one said a word to her.:confused:
Stay safe. Is Haliburton a great company or what?
AngelsSix
05-19-2011, 18:19
Hey, whoever ran the chow halls in Kuwait had some damn good contacts for the dessert menu....jus' sayin'.
Hey, whoever ran the chow halls in Kuwait had some damn good contacts for the dessert menu....jus' sayin'.
US Navy
Is Haliburton a great company or what?
just don't take a shower.
Calvengeance
05-19-2011, 20:15
The "metro-sexual" BS that has infiltrated the military is nauseating!
"120 MFing degrees out here and you're talking about a manicure, pedicure & facial? If you don't get away from me--I'm going to get fired!:mad:
Oh well, FIDO & stay safe.
Hooah. :(
just don't take a shower.
Why? That's just the electric hair follicle stimulator.... :rolleyes:
Surgicalcric
05-20-2011, 01:56
HELL! I've seen guys getting their eyebrows arched while in Iraq.
Can I get the 10-digit for that salon...
I have a jundi who needs their services...poor guy looks like a Clingon.
1stindoor
05-20-2011, 06:11
He's got three mustaches!:eek:
...and two of them are joined.
Can I get the 10-digit for that salon...
I have a jundi who needs their services...poor guy looks like a Clingon.East side on JBB, next to the PX, Green Beans, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Subway and various other shops.
Be careful though, in that AO there's more FOBBIT activities going on than you can shake a stick at!:D
Stay safe.
Surgicalcric
05-20-2011, 10:45
East side on JBB, next to the PX, Green Beans, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Subway and various other shops.
Be careful though, in that AO there's more FOBBIT activities going on than you can shake a stick at!:D
Stay safe.
Shake a stick huh... :D
Shake a stick huh... :DAin't to many yankees even know what that even means.:D
I'd be a millionaire a few times over if, I owned that hair/nail salon.:eek:
When they started selling thongs in the PX, I knew the war was over.:)
Oh well, FIDO and stay safe.
Masochist
05-20-2011, 13:52
He's got three mustaches!:eek:
...and two of them are joined.
They're planning an attack to the south. They're already in wedge formation.
greenberetTFS
05-20-2011, 14:05
Is Haliburton a great company or what?
Dozer,was getting worried about you,hadn't seen a recent post lately...........;)
Big Teddy :munchin
Counting coup, I believe, a Native American test of bravery. :pI have no clue what you're implying....:eek::p
Stay safe.
greenberetTFS
05-20-2011, 14:16
I think this would be an excellent time to introduce them to their Pink beret........;)
Big Teddy :munchin
perdurabo
05-20-2011, 16:09
We are over strength, why do we need to lower the standards? Pure and simple, women can't pull their weight, we don't need them, they are a distraction, they cannot operate in a UW environment effectively and they are going to get real SF soldiers in trouble and booted.
I hear about all these "crossfit studettes." Crossfit doesn't make you a good soldier, and it sure as hell doesn't make you SF.
In summary, we are going through budget cuts and getting rid of guys, not plussing up. We don't need the bodies, and we sure as hell don't need the hassle.
Also, haven't heard a good thing about the FET teams yet. Seems like a good program to get a chick balled up by a tango and get a couple operators killed trying to save her.
If women join SF, I am out. I am not sexist; I just don't see how this won't end up as SF being a joke. It will turn everything that SF is on its head.
...as for the video, it is a puff piece and its juxtaposition between FET and SF/SEALS is sickening and repulsive.
I don't see where SSG Scott claims to be a part of SF or any such thing. She is a part of a FET. It looks like the reporter just doesn't have a clue, lumping the SEALs into SF.
Make us proud, SSG Scott. Thanks for your service.
Women in new engagement team.... News Link (http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-colorado-woman-making-history-as-part-of-allfemale-elite-army-team-20110517,0,4342829.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+kdvr-news+%28KDVR+-+Local+News%29) :confused:This was started in 08 in Iraq, I've got pics of "female" 05 & 06s that we escorted into an Iraqi clinic.
SOBs spun this BS into "elite" which is a crock of shit!:rolleyes:
FIDO and stay safe.