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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/10/lsu-student-allegedly-plans-hold-american-flag-burning-protest/?test=latestnews
A student at Louisiana State University reportedly is planning to burn an American flag on campus Wednesday as part of a peaceful protest, the student newspaper reports.
The flag-burning comes nearly a week after police charged another student, Isaac Eslava, with taking the American flag at the campus' historic War Memorial and burning it hours after news of Usama bin Laden’s killing by U.S. Navy SEALs.
The 10-by-15 flag flew atop a 102-foot pole 24 hours a day at the campus and honors all the war dead from LSU. Police said there was about $7,530 worth of damage at the memorial and called it very "coincidental" that the event took place so soon after bin Laden's death.
Benjamin Hass, a communication studies graduate student, has reportedly followed university procedure in seeking clearance to host the flag-burning protest at noon on the Baton Rouge campus.
LSU’s student government president Cody Wells told The Daily Reveille that he and others plan to hold their own counter ceremony an hour after the protest, saying the Pledge of Allegiance and singing the national anthem.
“We’re going to respect [Hass'] First Amendment right to burn our American flag,” Wells told the paper.
Wells said he hopes to have a trumpet player and cadets perform at the ceremony.
B36reconman
05-11-2011, 08:15
Only thing this burns is my ass..sorry mofo...
greenberetTFS
05-11-2011, 08:17
In a lot of ways I'm glad that I am an old walrus......... This sh*t is starting all over again,just like it was happening during the Vietnam era......... I only hope I won't be around to see it go full fledge............:(
Big Teddy :munchin
Might be a good time to sit in some nearby bushes with a wrist rocket and some ball bearings for a little non-lethal harassment. Everytime Chuckles tries to light the flag, let go with one.
Snaquebite
05-11-2011, 08:48
Not sure how the program is doing now, but I would have had a hard time controlling my ROTC students when I taught there (91-92), Especially my Ranger Challenge Team. They would have been planning all kinds of Ops.
PedOncoDoc
05-11-2011, 08:53
Would a counter-protestor be within his/her rights to burn a photo of the intended flag burner and/or a dummy made in his likeness 30 feet away during his demonstration? :munchin
Take picture of the guy, he will no doubt lead to others of like mind who may be interested in a more substantial protest. ID them it will save time later on.
A counter protest reflecting his 1st Amendment rights, and his belief in executing his right to carry out such a protest in burning could be exampled by the burning of a symbol he holds dear.
Teddy, I would argue that most RVN protesters loved their country and unlike the protesters who opposed our involvement in the RVN, this form of protest is carried out by individuals who have no allegiance to America and want to see it destroyed.
Benjamin Hass, a communication studies graduate student.
GRADUATE PROGRAM IN COMMUNICATION STUDIES (http://appl003.lsu.edu/artsci/cmstweb.nsf/$Content/Graduate+Program+in+Communication+Studies?OpenDocu ment)
Established in 1928, the LSU Department of Communication Studies is one of the oldest communication departments in the nation and the first in the South to develop a doctoral program. Situated in a research intensive university, the department and its faculty strive to foster the intellectual growth of each student while also attending to their development in the areas of teaching and service. Our main goal is to prepare graduate students for success in their chosen profession in an environment that is innovative, stimulating, friendly, and humane.
Specifically, we hope to produce researchers capable of generative critical thought and scholarship; to balance areas of specialization with a holistic approach that stimulates dialogue between areas; to understand communication as both an art and science; and to provide creative outlets for communication expression and experimentation, such as the HopKins Black Box, the Mixon Lyceum Debate Program, the Relation Station Matchbox Interaction Lab, and Studio 151.
The program offers a MA degree with a thesis or non-thesis option and a PhD degree in three broad areas of specialization: Communication Theory, Performance Studies, and Rhetoric. Within and between areas, a broad range of courses is offered, and each student is encouraged to design a program of study that fits his or her interests. A student may, for instance, concentrate his or her course work and research in one area or work across areas.
Communication Theory examines interpersonal communication with special attention to marriage and family, social cognition, health settings, life-span, and the role of the individual in communication. Our approach is primarily quantitative and mixed-methods.
Performance Studies features communication-centered approaches to performance in three main contexts: the cultural, the historical, and the aesthetic. Our approach is qualitative, focusing on interpretive and critical analyses of performance texts, events, and processes.
Rhetoric focuses on the analysis of public argument, the persuasive power of linguistic and aesthetic forms, and the generation and critical analysis of civic discourse. Our central theme is that linguistic forms are not merely instrumental, but fundamental – not only to persuasion but to thought itself.
So what exactly did he get a degree in? Community Organizing? How does burning a flag equate to Intellectual Growth?
Read what others have to say :D
http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/26018609/Benjamin-Hass.aspx
Somebody needs to just walk up to him and punch him in the face, yeah you will get arrested and it will go on your record, but when you are applying for a job and in the interview they ask you about the assualt charge and you explain, the next thing out of the boss' mouth will be "you are Hired"
http://www.facebook.com/pages/LSU-Department-of-Communication-Studies/296629344522
Benjamin Hass is also a Poet:
http://www.ditchpoetry.com/benjaminhaas.htm
Not sure how the program is doing now, but I would have had a hard time controlling my ROTC students when I taught there (91-92), Especially my Ranger Challenge Team. They would have been planning all kinds of Ops.via 2000+ coon-asses are no joke.:o
He can plan it...don't mean he'll get away with it.......
Stay safe.
rubberneck
05-11-2011, 12:36
It's something I would expect from a four year old. He is nothing more than a useless attention whore and judging by the coverage of this story he got exactly what he wanted. If he had any balls he'd burn a Koran in Pakistan. If he got the same reception here that he would get for burning a koran in Pakistan you'd bet he'd pick something else to burn as the message is always far behind attention in relevancy to these losers.
It seems several hundred students and others gathered at LSU and stopped the flag burning. Hopefully he got the message and won't be burning any flags anytime soon.
"Several hundred people gathered on the LSU campus today and effectively stopped an LSU grad student from burning an American flag on campus"
http://www.wafb.com/story/14626266/american-flag-supporters-stop-flag-burning-at-lsu
It is too bad that the counter-protesters' support for the flag was not balanced by an abiding respect for the Constitution.
Mr. Wells's counter protest was the way to go.
YMMV.
It is too bad that the counter-protesters' support for the flag was not balanced by an abiding respect for the Constitution.
Mr. Wells's counter protest was the way to go.
YMMV.
As Sig has noted - if it was his flag he could burn it.
I think the counter protest would have been more effective if they would have lined up a number of flags from other counties. Like Mexico, Saudi Arabia - you get my drift - and torched them off the same time he torched his flag.
A Koran of two would have been a nice touch....................
Hey, baby, what's that you said about free speech?
Thinking on the issue I think whenever something like this occurs a few people need to show up with a Koran and say "If you torch your's we torch our's."
Roguish Lawyer
05-11-2011, 14:31
As Sig has noted - if it was his flag he could burn it.
I think the counter protest would have been more effective if they would have lined up a number of flags from other counties. Like Mexico, Saudi Arabia - you get my drift - and torched them off the same time he torched his flag.
A Koran of two would have been a nice touch....................
Hey, baby, what's that you said about free speech?
Thinking on the issue I think whenever something like this occurs a few people need to show up with a Koran and say "If you torch your's we torch our's."
Or they could burn all of the guy's weed
Show up with a portable screen and show this video while he's performing his stunt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_5aoptI5j0
When he's done, salute the ashes of the flag, shake the guy's hand, and publicly thank him for retiring a used flag.
Richard :munchin
Or they could burn all of the guy's weed
:D:D:D
Why do I see woody allen in bananas???
Another leftest AH..
Looks like we have some patriots on the LSU campus..
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/flag-burning-lsu-campus-20110511-ncx
Looks like Haas chose the wrong venue to express his leftist views.
Looks like Haas chose the wrong venue to express his leftist views.
In the interest of furthering my moderate/middle-of-the-road/neither-side-is-free-of-political-hacks agenda I tried to find a story involving a far right wing guy burning a flag. There were none to be found.
Well played :D
In the interest of furthering my moderate/middle-of-the-road/neither-side-is-free-of-political-hacks agenda I tried to find a story involving a far right wing guy burning a flag. There were none to be found.
Well played RDET :D
They are out there but I think their usual MO is to fly the Flag upside down and not pay taxes.
In the interest of furthering my moderate/middle-of-the-road/neither-side-is-free-of-political-hacks agenda I tried to find a story involving a far right wing guy burning a flag. There were none to be found.
Well played :D
http://sovereigncitizens.org/
I think these are the guys you are looking for. Here is also a video that has been incorporated into some LEO training to help recognize them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_y-gLm9Hrw
Benjamin Hass is also a JACKASS
There you go, fixed that for you.
Looks like we have some patriots on the LSU campus..
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/flag-burning-lsu-campus-20110511-ncx
Word of the potential burning had sparked pockets of anger throughout the campus.
"It's time that my generation stand up for what they believe in and exercise their freedom of speech and let people know that we are not OK with this," said Cody Wells, the student government association president. "I am angry that an individual would want to do this at a public higher education institution."
Glad to see it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_y-gLm9Hrw
:( sickening.
There you go, fixed that for you.
Thank you ;)
In the interest of furthering my moderate/middle-of-the-road/neither-side-is-free-of-political-hacks agenda I tried to find a story involving a far right wing guy burning a flag. There were none to be found.
Well played :D
Far right wing guy? You mean a white, pro-life conservative, right?:rolleyes:
TrapLine
05-12-2011, 06:21
Far right wing guy? You mean a white, pro-life conservative, right?:rolleyes:
Throw in God fearing and gun owning, and I would feel profiled;).
Far right wing guy? You mean a white, pro-life conservative, right?:rolleyes:
Nope, I meant what I said. Extremists come in all sizes, ethnicities, and socio economic backgrounds.
Stop trying to play the race card Dusty :D
greenberetTFS
05-12-2011, 07:32
There you go, fixed that for you.
I'm too fuc**n old to be PC......... He's is not an asshat,he's an asshole....:mad:
He is not a tool,but a dam fool........ :mad: Thank God I'm with men at this VFW who would not tolerate this sh*t.......... :mad: If you alI think I'm wrong well it's my IMO....:mad:
Big Teddy
Nope, I meant what I said. Extremists come in all sizes, ethnicities, and socio economic backgrounds.
Stop trying to play the race card Dusty :D
Stop oppressing me. :D
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/flag-burning-lsu-campus-20110511-ncx
Published : Wednesday, 11 May 2011, 1:22 PM EDT
NEWSCORE - A mob of angry protesters chased a would-be flag burner at Louisiana State University (LSU) off campus Wednesday to chants of "USA, USA."
Graduate communications student Benjamin Haas had earlier been given permission by the school to burn the flag. But because he lacked a local burn permit, he agreed instead to read a statement in an area of the university known as free speech alley.
As Haas read the statement, a crowd around him erupted into cheers and jeers, many shouting "Go to hell, hippie, go to hell."
"You had a lot of people on both sides of the debate getting into a lot of fights," said James Haralson, manager of Tiger TV, the university television station. "The students started yelling obscenities at him. People started throwing bottles at him."
Fox News reports that Haas' actions were in response to the arrest of another student, who was charged with taking and burning the American flag once posted at LSU's War Memorial. That incident came just hours after Osama bin Laden's killing by US Navy SEALS last week.
Haralson, who filmed the protest, said Haas was surrounded by police officers on horseback and as they protest swelled, they moved him to a safer location.
"At that point, all the students began rushing him, continuing to throw trash at him," he said. "He was finally escorted into a cop car in the street and students were banging on the cop car."
LSU spokesman Ernie Ballard said the school endorsed neither Haas' actions, nor those of the crowd around him.
Word of the potential burning had sparked pockets of anger throughout the campus.
"It's time that my generation stand up for what they believe in and exercise their freedom of speech and let people know that we are not OK with this," said Cody Wells, the student government association president. "I am angry that an individual would want to do this at a public higher education institution."
A couple of videos from LSU:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzFd8nU4TI8&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0CWVns-sck&feature=player_embedded
My preference is that these flag burners modify their technique and exercise their simultaneous right of free speech and self induced pyromania via self-immolation, as it maximizes pain and personal suffering, but does not guarantee death - in this regard I cannot disagree with the wisdom of the Supreme Court.
"…if there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea offensive or disagreeable."
Have at it scum-bags.
kawaishi
05-12-2011, 15:08
I'd just like to say that for the first time in my adult life I'm proud of my home state.;)
On a serious note, this misguided hippie needs to read up on the history of LSU. It's not his target audience.
1. The first superintendent was none other than Gen. W.T. Sherman.
2. The nickname of LSU is "The Old War Skule" for a reason.
3. The mascot,"Fighting Tigers," came from the nickname of a Louisiana Infantry unit under Gen. Lee during the Civil War.
Utah Bob
05-12-2011, 16:16
Poor SA. He should have realized he was in Baton Rouge, not Berkeley.:rolleyes:
Poor SA. He should have realized he was in Baton Rouge, not Berkeley.:rolleyes:NO SHIT!:D
A couple of videos from LSU:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzFd8nU4TI8&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0CWVns-sck&feature=player_embedded
Great videos! I especially liked the waterboarding ... I mean water balloons.:D
Poor SA. He should have realized he was in Baton Rouge, not Berkeley.
Sir, FWIW the Berkeley College Republicans were among the largest clubs on campus at Cal, and very creative as well. For example in response to the campus affirmative action admission policies they had an infamous bake sale. Prices were as follows.
Oatmeal cookies for sale,
Asians $1.25
Whites $1.10
Hispanics $.75
Blacks $.50
Native Americans - Free
The rationale being if this was the way the campus admitted students, why couldn't they sell cookies priced accordingly? As you can imagine, this was not well received by the liberal elements in the area.
Never a dull moment in Berkeley...
John_Chrichton
05-13-2011, 11:37
Happy and proud to watch the crowd of patriotic students throw the leftist idiot off their campus.
Saddened by the fact that there are people in this Country who don't appreciate what they have here.
Nobody should have the right to burn an American flag.