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http://www.8newsnow.com/story/14575982/mob-of-thieves-swarms-las-vegas-convenience-store
Old Dog New Trick
05-06-2011, 10:26
There was this one time at band camp...
And people wonder why there are stereotypes...:rolleyes:
There was this one time at band camp...
And people wonder why there are stereotypes...:rolleyes:
It's only getting worse. There are a myriad youtube vids on beatdowns, flashmob robberies, etc.
This is so smooth,, they had to of practiced the moves before hand. With few exceptions, they grab small single items, step-away from the display, stuff the item in (pants/shirt/jacket/bag), and them slide back in line to hit the next display.. If someone is at the display, they move to the next, randomly selecting items.
Very orderly, very focused & intense, but calm at the same time.
The clerk must have stains in his pants...
This is so smooth,, they had to of practiced the moves before hand. With few exceptions, they grab small single items, step-away from the display, stuff the item in (pants/shirt/jacket/bag), and them slide back in line to hit the next display.. If someone is at the display, they move to the next, randomly selecting items.
Very orderly, very focused & intense, but calm at the same time.
The clerk must have stains in his pants...
And to think nearly half of them stole the items without being able to read the ingredients...oh, wait-this isn't Detroit...:rolleyes:
I see this happening to people in their houses if the future. How anyone can live these days without owning a Firearm is beyond me.
We should just do what The south American countries do when crime gets out of control. Just spend about one week killing them.
Ret10Echo
05-06-2011, 17:24
"Flash Mob Robbery" Appears to be the latest rage amongst certain segments of the younger population...
This has become commonplace now in and around DC. Georgetown shops (of all places) have been hit several times. Usual target seems to be University-related sweatshirts etc...
12GA, cylinder bore, 18 1/2 " barrel, narrow aisles. Would change the minds of several at once.
I see this happening to people in their houses if the future.
Just spend about one week killing them.
The Droogs, Clockwork Orange.. :munchin
dr. mabuse
05-07-2011, 05:50
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Where's ACORN when you need them ??
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/dc/flash-mob-robberies-not-a-rare-occurrence-in-dc-042811
from rdret1: 12GA, cylinder bore, 18 1/2 " barrel, narrow aisles. Would change the minds of several at once.
Agree with rdret1.
Flame Magnet
05-07-2011, 08:35
That video is VERY upsetting. Not only do they rob the store in mass, but they keep coming back in the store. It's these same young punks crying when they get caught, "Oh I don't have a father in my life.:boohoo I don't know RIGHT from WRONG." Pathetic. I as a BLACK man am very disappointed. You have a good and bad for every race. For Blacks you have Ni$$as and then you Blacks. Like Chris Rock say, " I can't STAND Ni$$as."
rubberneck
05-07-2011, 08:56
If only they spent as much time and energy trying to be useful members of society..... As others have pointed out it isn't their fault. It's ours.:rolleyes:
dollarbill
05-07-2011, 09:58
One might say there is safety in numbers. I'm going with take more out with less rounds. :)
1stindoor
05-07-2011, 10:02
I can't believe the article commended the clerk for "following his training." He was "trained" to do nothing? What really irritates me is the fact that if anyone does get arrested, they'll probably just get charged with a misdemeanor shoplifting charge as they only took less that $30-$50 worth of merchandise.
These kids don't need to be shot, they need to have a decent role model to emulate. Somebody besides gangstas, gangsta rappahs, hoop and football clowns, and babbydaddymakers.
Kids raised by "welfare ho's" are trained to do shit like you see in the OP link, and worse.
That's not an excuse; they know they can do better, and many do. The ones who excel and succeed are the exception to the rule because they do it in spite of the lazy-ass scumbag slut who raised them, as is many times the case.
I can't bring myself to sympathise with a project denizen who sports 200-dollar Nikes and a pound of gold on his body, flashing cash; I don't understand the thought process behind a desire to mow the little shitheads down with buckshot, though.
I can't believe the article commended the clerk for "following his training." He was "trained" to do nothing? What really irritates me is the fact that if anyone does get arrested, they'll probably just get charged with a misdemeanor shoplifting charge as they only took less that $30-$50 worth of merchandise.
Nothing in that store was worth a clerks life or that clerk taking a beating. Where I work we are told to comply 100% to end the robbery and get them out of the store as quickly as possible. An injured customer or partner will cost far more then anything they can take. Our joke is we will offer to help carry stuff out for them.
On the other side all the "I am going to kill me some" your really going to burn a guy down for shoplifting a case of beer? When did larceny become a capitol crime?
1stindoor
05-07-2011, 10:41
Nothing in that store was worth a clerks life ...On the other side all the "I am going to kill me some" your really going to burn a guy down for shoplifting a case of beer? When did larceny become a capitol crime?
You're right, however, pussies embolden bullies, always have, always will.
Why does the analysis of such events center around the race of most of these kids rather than other factors (gender, socio-economic background, age, education level, the psychology of groups, or geography to name but a few)?
Can we glean the family history and cultural sensibilities of this crowd based upon the video alone?
Is an act of petty larceny worth more attention than the chicanery that takes place on a daily basis in other sectors of America such as on the floor of the NYSE?
I hear what you're typing but.....
Maybe to broaden out the discussion we need links to other similar activities done in other parts of the country.
Readers? Can you find links to other videos of flash mob theft?
I found this one from St Pauls, MN
http://investmentwatchblog.com/flash-mob-robbers-hit-convenience-stores-in-minnesota/
Another from N/W Washington
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/04/store-hit-by-robbery-spree-during-zoo-stabbing-59663.html
I hear what you're typing but.....
Maybe to broaden out the discussion we need links to other similar activities done in other parts of the country.
Readers? Can you find links to other videos of flash mob theft?QP Pete--
Maybe the similar activities take entirely different forms depending upon the cohort in question.
In Vegas, it is kids stealing gum. In D.C. it is executives lying during a congressional hearing. At various business schools, it is MBA candidates cheating.
If we're going to turn on the light of inquiry, why not let it shine where ever there are shadows?
Flame Magnet
05-07-2011, 13:35
I hear what you're typing but.....
Maybe to broaden out the discussion we need links to other similar activities done in other parts of the country.
Readers? Can you find links to other videos of flash mob theft?
I found this one from St Pauls, MN
http://investmentwatchblog.com/flash-mob-robbers-hit-convenience-stores-in-minnesota/
Another from N/W Washington
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/04/store-hit-by-robbery-spree-during-zoo-stabbing-59663.html
http://youtu.be/R_R1_afLRNo
http://youtu.be/s4uvn8vOWr0
Why does the analysis of such events center around the race of most of these kids rather than other factors (gender, socio-economic background, age, education level, the psychology of groups, or geography to name but a few)?
Can we glean the family history and cultural sensibilities of this crowd based upon the video alone?
Is an act of petty larceny worth more attention than the chicanery that takes place on a daily basis in other sectors of America such as on the floor of the NYSE?
That post shoulda been in pink, Bro.
And a closing comment..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WzoTbK20HM
I use the phrase on youtube "Flash mob robber"
longrange1947
05-07-2011, 13:52
QP Pete--
Maybe the similar activities take entirely different forms depending upon the cohort in question.
In Vegas, it is kids stealing gum. In D.C. it is executives lying during a congressional hearing. At various business schools, it is MBA candidates cheating.
If we're going to turn on the light of inquiry, why not let it shine where ever there are shadows?
Well damn, another post that should have been in pink. Come on Sigaba, you need to make more excuses for this type of behavior. Social economic, well the CEOs do it, uh, Obama does it, the Democrates do it, uh the ................. get real dude!
Best to catch one then allow the owner fo the strore to go into his house and take whatever he wants. Let him see how it is not "harmless fun".
You guys are starting to tag team the same store flash mobs.
You guys are starting to tag team the same store flash mobs.
It's a problem to all fora, you can't see what someone else is posting as you create your post..
Well damn, another post that should have been in pink. Come on Sigaba, you need to make more excuses for this type of behavior. Social economic, well the CEOs do it, uh, Obama does it, the Democrates do it, uh the ................. get real dude!
Best to catch one then allow the owner fo the strore to go into his house and take whatever he wants. Let him see how it is not "harmless fun".QP Longrange1947--
With the utmost respect, I think you are misinterpreting my posts.
My point is not that the young people in question should be excused. Nor did I suggest that their behavior is in any way harmless.
My questions are simply these:
Why focus on this specific symptom of broader dynamics--anti-social behavior and corruption--that are global in scope and that can be found in all strata of American life today?
Why, when discussing the behavior of one group of asshats do we use one set of criteria--what they're wearing, what music they might listen to, what kinds of family backgrounds they may have--and then apply an entirely different set of criteria to other cohorts?
............Why, when discussing the behavior of one group of asshats do we use one set of criteria--what they're wearing, what music they might listen to, what kinds of family backgrounds they may have--and then apply an entirely different set of criteria to other cohorts?............
You are welcome to post links to other flash mob robberies so we may broaden the discussion as to what they are wearing and what type music they might listen to.
Right now they all appear to be urban commando units.
Here's a particular pernicious whiter collar criminal momentarily separated from his flash mob for an interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Mazjm_A5k
From the video, I can't glean his cultural sensibilities or family history but I hear that he likes high taxes and boys.
Not vewy encowaging.
Well, let's take into consideration that the locations where these incidents took place have not recently suffered from a natural disaster like flooding, tornado, earth quake, hurricane, Stanley Cup Championship, etc. :rolleyes:
Without these types of reasons to start looting the local stores they needed to figure out how to exercise their inalienable right to loot. And now all it takes is a twitter message. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4WOYMWp29g&feature=related
QP Longrange1947--
With the utmost respect, I think you are misinterpreting my posts.
My point is not that the young people in question should be excused. Nor did I suggest that their behavior is in any way harmless.
My questions are simply these:
Why focus on this specific symptom of broader dynamics--anti-social behavior and corruption--that are global in scope and that can be found in all strata of American life today?
Why, when discussing the behavior of one group of asshats do we use one set of criteria--what they're wearing, what music they might listen to, what kinds of family backgrounds they may have--and then apply an entirely different set of criteria to other cohorts?
There is only one common theme in all these videos. All the criminals are Black. WHY?
How come there aren't videos of Whites, Asians, Russians or Latinos doing this. There are tons of these videos on you Tube. It's pretty hard to ignore the facts here.
incarcerated
05-07-2011, 16:25
My questions are simply these:
Why focus on this specific symptom of broader dynamics--anti-social behavior and corruption--that are global in scope and that can be found in all strata of American life today?
Why, when discussing the behavior of one group of asshats do we use one set of criteria--what they're wearing, what music they might listen to, what kinds of family backgrounds they may have--and then apply an entirely different set of criteria to other cohorts?
Why not?
This is a thread about a specific form of anti-social behavior that, while venial, is becoming widespread, and is relatively new. There is plenty of room elsewhere for discussion of corruption, white collar crime, and the NYSE. While it may be worthwhile to put the degree or severity of crime in perspective, why attempt to mitigate it or divert the discussion?
It is worth making a distinction between official corruption/white collar crime, and the disregard for and hostility towards civilization, and genuine barbarianism that commonly exists in our modern liberal society today. While it may be just a small property crime, these people are expressing a hatred of social conventions. When this becomes the wholesale phenomenon that it has, the implications are fairly significant and call into question the stability of our society.
The dress and music of some segments of society are further expressions of contempt for anything approaching a cultural norm or civilized behavior. They are intended to be shocking and provocative and are pushed at society in what used to be called a gesture of rebellion.
While the Left would like us to simply accept crime as an unfortunate fact of life, the rest of us would like to see the law upheld and citizens and their property protected. We are not happy about living in the age of Criminals’ Rights.
Many kids nowadays don't give a fuck whether they can look at themselves in the mirror. The moral compass has gone haywire. Honor's a joke among these shitheads.
kgoerz is right; the overwhelming majority of these types crimes of shown on youtube are committed by blacks, and only a fool would deny it.
I'll take it a step farther and say that these crimes have become more prevalent since Obama took office.
Radar Rider
05-07-2011, 16:44
QP Pete--
Maybe the similar activities take entirely different forms depending upon the cohort in question.
In Vegas, it is kids stealing gum. In D.C. it is executives lying during a congressional hearing. At various business schools, it is MBA candidates cheating.
If we're going to turn on the light of inquiry, why not let it shine where ever there are shadows?
In North Carolina, following the disastrous tornado that took out many houses and ruined people's lives, some opportunists took advantage of the situation to take things from empty homes. Even as the police were on patrol to prevent looting, some people chose to loot. Those that were (finally arrested) responsible were not caucasian, asian, American Indian, Indian, Pakistani, hispanic, or any other race.
I don't make accusations; and, as much as I despise the phrase "it is what it is", it is what it is.
Why not?
This is a thread about a specific form of anti-social behavior that, while venial, is becoming widespread, and is relatively new. There is plenty of room elsewhere for discussion of corruption, white collar crime, and the NYSE. While it may be worthwhile to put the degree or severity of crime in perspective, why attempt to mitigate it or divert the discussion?
It is worth making a distinction between official corruption/white collar crime, and the disregard for and hostility towards civilization, and genuine barbarianism that commonly exists in our modern liberal society today. While it may be just a small property crime, these people are expressing a hatred of social conventions. When this becomes the wholesale phenomenon that it has, the implications are fairly significant and call into question the stability of our society.
The dress and music of some segments of society are further expressions of contempt for anything approaching a cultural norm or civilized behavior. They are intended to be shocking and provocative and are pushed at society in what used to be called a gesture of rebellion.
While the Left would like us to simply accept crime as an unfortunate fact of life, the rest of us would like to see the law upheld and citizens and their property protected. We are not happy about living in the age of Criminals’ Rights.With respect, your thoughtful, articulate post suggests reasons "why not".
This thread, like the Detroit literacy thread, has gone from a discussion about specific events to broader indictments of certain groups in this country because of the way they walk, talk, and dress. Some of these indictments fit into broader historical patterns in which members of certain racial and ethnic groups are criminalized simply because they don't fit into the narrative of how Americans should think, talk, and act.
IMO, that contemporaneous discussions about these events so quickly take these turns is deeply troubling. Law abiding members of those racial and ethnic groups have to bear the consequences of the kinds of rhetoric exhibited in some of this thread's posts. Negative stereotypes are not probable cause, nor is the music on one's iPod, the shoes on one's feet, nor even the lack of a fracking belt.
More troubling still are the suggestions--some offered tongue in cheek, others, not so much--that kids should get blown away for stealing a pack of gum or a pair of jeans.
We on the right talk about the rule of law and about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Yet, sometimes we act as if the Bill of Rights is an a la carte affair and we can pick and choose which rights apply (or not) and to whom. While psychologically satisfying at times, I do not believe that this approach is intellectually or politically sustainable.
YMMV.
........This thread, like the Detroit literacy thread, has gone from a discussion about specific events to broader indictments of certain groups in this country because of the way they walk, talk, and dress. ............
What was it Jesse Jackson said..........
And Radar Rider - the two brothers arrested for looting destroyed homes in Fayetteville after the tornado were white.
What was it Jesse Jackson said..........
To which quote do you refer? This one?:
http://www.aim.org/wls/i-liked-to-spit-in-the-food-of-white-customers/
“[Spitting into the food of white customers at a hotel in Greenville, South Carolina] gave me a psychological gratification.”
Source: As quoted in a November 1969 Life magazine article, as quoted in The Death of Right and Wrong, by Tammy Bruce, 2003, page 144
Originally posted by Dusty:
What was it Jesse Jackson said..........
“[Spitting into the food of white customers at a hotel in Greenville, South Carolina] gave me a psychological gratification.”
Source: As quoted in a November 1969 Life magazine article, as quoted in The Death of Right and Wrong, by Tammy Bruce, 2003, page 144
I had not heard of this before, but I am not surprised. Reason #18,274 to have never had microgram of respect for that oxygen thief.
incarcerated
05-07-2011, 18:34
Some of these indictments fit into broader historical patterns in which members of certain racial and ethnic groups are criminalized simply because they don't fit into the narrative of how Americans should think, talk, and act. You are casting us as bigots because we fit a broader historical pattern?
Isn’t that stereotyping?
Is there an ethnic dimension to that broader historical pattern, i.e. are you referring to the behavior pattern of a particular ethnicity?
I am not interested in the violation of some ‘narrative.‘ I am concerned here with people breaking the law, particularly theft, and in anyone who flaunts lawbreaking behavior.
Law abiding members of those racial and ethnic groups have to bear the consequences of the kinds of rhetoric exhibited in some of this thread's posts. This is a problem shared by the Muslim community. Those outside that community watch and are expected to be tolerant as the larger Muslim world fails to control its own criminal extremists. In the real world, this failure cannot help but produce conflict.
Negative stereotypes are not probable cause, nor is the music on one's iPod, the shoes on one's feet, nor even the lack of a fracking belt. No one was suggesting that they are probable cause or are criminal (unless the music or attire contains remarks that may be construed as being offensive to minorities).
On the other side all the "I am going to kill me some" your really going to burn a guy down for shoplifting a case of beer? When did larceny become a capitol crime?
When you stole my horse or rustled my cattle. :D
In ways, it's a shame we got away from that. Larceny, as a side issue, involves an item. In the main issue, it involves my income, having the money to pay to keep the heat in my house turned on. It's a violation of my family. I watched my Dad's small business go to hell because of the "little nibbles". I watched my family miss a number of meals because of it.
Likewise a lot of "property crimes".
And in the identification of the background/group of the criminal, a diversity of reaction is reasonable and should be expected. If I were tossed a load of guilt over Bernie Madoff's conviction, because I had not offerred enough free after-school basketball activity, more free lunches, better appreciation of his cluture, I'd be resentful of him and everyone like him who sang the same sad song, of how I simply had failed to do enough for him.
If I learned that the words "a**hole" and "honky" needed to be buried because they were resented by skinheads, I'd hate them worse than I already do. As it is, they do the crime, they get credit for the crime, and they do the time. For me to make special efforts not to offend their special group, is ridiculous IMHO, and intolerable when I can call 90% of the other sh*theads in this world sh*theads when they act in a way that warrants it. There's no special "social license" floating around out there that asks me to be a little more forgiving of them than of other identifiable groups.
And, I'm walking around being an identifiable member of those who commit "Violence against Women". I've never actually *done* such violence but my presence at a NOW rally would be treated differently than those of the "sisters" in attendance.
It is what it is.
GratefulCitizen
05-07-2011, 19:52
Need some new laws.
Classify this type of behavior has a felony for all involved.
Authorize the use of deadly force for defense of persons and/or property in such an event.
One perp goes down for good.
All the rest go down for murder because someone died during the commission of a felony.
The behavior will end real quick.
What was it Jesse Jackson said..........
This::eek:
Obama's 'acting like he's white'.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/09/19/jessie-jackson-obamas-acting-like-hes-white/
“Barack ... he’s talking down to black people ... telling [black people] how to behave.” Only Jackson used the plural form of the “n-word,” not “black people,” in the second part of his comment.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/07/what-else-jesse.html
"Cut his [Barack Obama's] nuts out".
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/item_2IKMVtS3vzxRvoAAxZ0ZGL;jsessionid=DB0C417325F 260610A7457583A59B4A7
1stindoor
05-09-2011, 07:57
In North Carolina, following the disastrous tornado that took out many houses and ruined people's lives, some opportunists took advantage of the situation to take things from empty homes. Even as the police were on patrol to prevent looting, some people chose to loot. Those that were (finally arrested) responsible were not caucasian, asian, American Indian, Indian, Pakistani, hispanic, or any other race.
I don't make accusations; and, as much as I despise the phrase "it is what it is", it is what it is.
Far be it for me to let the Fayetteville Observer ruin a good story with facts...
http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2011/04/23/1088971
http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2011/04/27/1090016
In both those arrests...the accused were "caucasions" :eek:
1stindoor
05-09-2011, 08:07
More troubling still are the suggestions--some offered tongue in cheek, others, not so much--that kids should get blown away for stealing a pack of gum or a pair of jeans.
YMMV.
With respect, I don't think you're seeing the forest for the trees in front of you. It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with the complete disregard for law or societal norms. Those same people that find this amusing and no big deal because it's just some nickle and dime petty larceny are also the same people that'll raise hell if those same stores shut their doors and moved to less dangerous neighborhoods. Let's see how fast the self-righteous civil rights advocates will complain of discrimination if all those stores closed up and moved out of the area. How many will complain if the store enacts something as simple as no more than 5 people allowed in the store at any one time.
You're right, it's just gum...or a pair of jeans...or a pack of smokes...or a six pack of beer. I'll just cover the raised cost of those items when I buy them in order to make up the difference. Matter of fact so will you. Next time instead of taking his cell phone, maybe they'll take his cell phone, his wallet, the money in the cash register, and beat the crap out of him because they have no respect for his cowardice.
The store owner/manager/employee didn't have to endanger his life to take some kind of action. He could have walked out and locked the doors behind him. In this case it would have locked the "offenders" inside. If they wanted out, it would have been more than just petty shoplifting they would have been charged with.
GratefulCitizen
05-09-2011, 20:28
You're right, it's just gum...or a pair of jeans...or a pack of smokes...or a six pack of beer. I'll just cover the raised cost of those items when I buy them in order to make up the difference. Matter of fact so will you. Next time instead of taking his cell phone, maybe they'll take his cell phone, his wallet, the money in the cash register, and beat the crap out of him because they have no respect for his cowardice.
This is exactly what happens.
When they don't run into boundaries they become emboldened.
It's fun to wax philisophical if you've never been on the other side of a large group of unruly young men gaming use-of-force laws.
Things go from minor criminal "fun" to riots, serious assaults, and even murder in no time.
There's usually one or two true troublemakers, and the rest are along for the ride.
The true troublemakers don't respect anything but the threat of violence...and sometimes not even that.
This nonsense will escalate if not nipped in the bud, and someone will die.
Making excuses for the behavior then will not undo serious injuries or death.
TacOfficer
05-09-2011, 21:15
Gentlemen,
This is the first time I've posted here. I registered to this forum to gain insight into the SF community. This thread however has touch upon my world. I am a police officer.
The discussion so far has seemed full of hypothesis on both sides of the argument, call it academic. I have personally observed these "wildings", arrested adults and juveniles, and released the juveniles to their parents. To date, most of these occurrences contrary to what has been written, have not been conducted by poor, disadvantaged, deprived and whatever-else-you-would-like-to-heap-upon-them minority youth. It has exclusively been committed by youth from middle to lower middle class African American/black families. The truly criminal element of the ghetto minority youth are slinging crack,and killing each other maintaining the drug trade. If you'll notice the the clothing these kids are wearing, it's not dirty, or torn. It's not white t-shirts and blue jeans, the uniform of the day for gang bangers. They're wearing name brands.
It is my opinion that these offenders, are completely spoiled by their parents and the Nanny State. They have role models, their parents that beat the stereo type and manage to get paying jobs, but the savage inside of them wants a piece of the thug life. They enter stores en mass, because they feel safe in numbers. They have flash mobs because if left alone they would crap in their ill fitting designer pants. Each one that I have separated from the pack becomes very respectful/fearful of authority. When alone, they tend to be more polite. The "F the police" seems to fade and the "where's my momma" creeps into their eyes. They're cowards. To those that think, "o' the poor kid never had a chance", it doesn’t apply here. It may apply to the kid that is raised in a gang family and the criminal life is all they know. These offenders are raised in families that have provided and they choose to rebel against society and family. At the end of day I have seen more that a few get smacked in the head on the way out of the station with the promise of more at home. The same offender will be back again, because they know they are juveniles and will get released to mommy and daddy with no legal repercussions. It is when they become adults and that application to college is tarnished that the activity subsides.
You can get a greater perspective by those more articulate than I if you visit forums called NYPD Rant (New York PD) or Second City Cop (Chicago PD). There is no shortage of opinions.
Gentlemen,
This is the first time I've posted here. I registered to this forum to gain insight into the SF community. This thread however has touch upon my world. I am a police officer.
The discussion so far has seemed full of hypothesis on both sides of the argument, call it academic. I have personally observed these "wildings", arrested adults and juveniles, and released the juveniles to their parents. To date, most of these occurrences contrary to what has been written, have not been conducted by poor, disadvantaged, deprived and whatever-else-you-would-like-to-heap-upon-them minority youth. It has exclusively been committed by youth from middle to lower middle class African American/black families. The truly criminal element of the ghetto minority youth are slinging crack,and killing each other maintaining the drug trade. If you'll notice the the clothing these kids are wearing, it's not dirty, or torn. It's not white t-shirts and blue jeans, the uniform of the day for gang bangers. They're wearing name brands.
It is my opinion that these offenders, are completely spoiled by their parents and the Nanny State. They have role models, their parents that beat the stereo type and manage to get paying jobs, but the savage inside of them wants a piece of the thug life. They enter stores en mass, because they feel safe in numbers. They have flash mobs because if left alone they would crap in their ill fitting designer pants. Each one that I have separated from the pack becomes very respectful/fearful of authority. When alone, they tend to be more polite. The "F the police" seems to fade and the "where's my momma" creeps into their eyes. They're cowards. To those that think, "o' the poor kid never had a chance", it doesn’t apply here. It may apply to the kid that is raised in a gang family and the criminal life is all they know. These offenders are raised in families that have provided and they choose to rebel against society and family. At the end of day I have seen more that a few get smacked in the head on the way out of the station with the promise of more at home. The same offender will be back again, because they know they are juveniles and will get released to mommy and daddy with no legal repercussions. It is when they become adults and that application to college is tarnished that the activity subsides.
You can get a greater perspective by those more articulate than I if you visit forums called NYPD Rant (New York PD) or Second City Cop (Chicago PD). There is no shortage of opinions.
Pleased to have you join PS.com, but please follow instructions and post in the intro thread as instructed by the welcome letter.
Wet Dog
Old Dog New Trick
05-10-2011, 01:07
TacOfficer,
While what you posted is all true from a LEO standpoint, the problem is there is nothing left in the good ol' USofA that will change it.
Seems prison is too good for most folk these days, the threat of jail time as a juvi is non-existent, and the military stopped taking societies missfits when it became a "professional" service of volunteers. CPS will lock up the parents for beating their kid with a 2X4" and public humiliation also known as "community service" is a joke. Revolving door justice has only perpetrated the escalation of such behavior.
The "Nanny State" has won out. What these kids need is someone as a better role model than Barry Bonds, Lebron James (or his mother), Micheal Vick, J.Z. or some other rapper screaming hate against the system.
They don't fear...there is nothing left to be fearful of. They can't think past the immediate and for the most part, they will all attend college on a grant or government loan and then stand in line for a job with the rest of their peers.
Some aspire to being a burger flipper at McDonalds and they will be happy with a minimum paying job for the rest of their pathetic lives.
Such is life, I need fast food sometimes too. :rolleyes:
Even the Brits are having flash mob problems..
This one at Buckingham Palace, In broad daylight...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyHVdx52N8A
How about the Army's new DADT PT program?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKtdTJP_GUI
Teens Riot In Manhattan Businesses
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/pack-of-teens-trash-dunkin-donuts-20110523-lgf
"MYFOXNY.COM - It's like a flash mob gone bad. Security footage from a Manhattan Dunkin' Donuts shows a group of youths climbing on counters, throwing chairs and throwing tables in a violent attack on workers.................."
Hmmm, there's something about this video that is similar to the others - just can't put my finger on it.
Zombies,, How you gonna act???
Here are some suggestions from IT Geeks,, in todays PC world of Newspeak,, their philosophy is applicable to recalcitrant Flash Mobs..
7 tips to safely kill zombie projects, By Michael Krigsman | March 12, 2008, 4:54pm PDT
Walking-dead IT projects, also known as zombies, should be killed off — putting these suckers out of their misery is the right thing to do. Of course, various techniques exist to repair failing projects, such as restart methodologies and live-goat sacrifice, which was pioneered by Nepal Airlines. Nonetheless, there are times when the zombies must die.
Successfully killing one of these guys requires solid planning to avoid unexpected problems. Computer World columnist, Bart Perkins, has compiled a list of 7 issues to consider when terminating a zombie:
Political fallout. Design a response to creatively mute the critics without being overly defensive.
Associated expenses. Canceling a project can result in considerable expense. Be prepared to discuss the financial repercussions with your CFO and CEO.
Unexpected behavior. Canceling a project can lead to unanticipated (and sometimes undesirable) behavior. One company[for example]…reduced the size of the project team, making it impossible for the remaining members to complete the project. The company…skirted the boundaries of ethical financial reporting.
Supplier relationships. Project cancellations affect your suppliers, too, and will seriously damage your working relationships. Trying to wiggle out of your contractual agreements may result in litigation.
Lost business opportunity. Whenever a project is killed, the associated business opportunity is lost (or, at best, postponed). Be sure to evaluate the long-term business impact during the decision-making process.
Morale. Project teams can become emotionally invested in a project’s success. If the project is eliminated, morale can suffer. Enlist your company’s communications department to minimize fallout.
Media coverage. The permanence of blogs, wikis and archives (combined with comprehensive search capabilities) make it easy to keep a story alive forever. It is increasingly important to deal with employee complaints openly, fairly, and in a timely and straightforward manner.
continued:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/projectfailures/7-tips-to-safely-kill-zombie-projects/648
:munchin
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/pack-of-teens-trash-dunkin-donuts-20110523-lgf
MYFOXNY.COM - It's like a flash mob gone bad. Security footage from a Manhattan Dunkin' Donuts shows a group of youths climbing on counters, throwing chairs and throwing tables in a violent attack on workers.
It happened at the Dunkin' Donuts on Christopher Street in Greenwich Village. A $2,000 hot chocolate machine was reportedly destroyed in the attack.
Similar attacks have targeted other stores in the neighborhood in the previous weeks.
The video shows one of the teens throwing a chair and then running up to grab a donut.
A few of the attackers also grabbed drinks out of a refrigerator near the door, and they all quickly ran from the store.
Some businesses and even residents recently have complained about violence in the area. Most of the business owners didn't want to give their names for fear of retribution.
One store owner told Fox 5's Lisa Evers that some kids did something similar at his business about a week earlier than the incident at Dunkin' Donuts.
He said, "It's not safe around her."
The NYPD said it was examining the Dunkin' Donuts security footage but has not made any arrests.
In a statement to MyFoxNY.com, NYC Council Speaker Christine Quinn's spokesperson, Jamie McShane says, "We will continue to work with the NYPD to make sure Christopher Street is a safe place especially as the weather gets nicer and more people flock to the area."
I can't believe the article commended the clerk for "following his training." He was "trained" to do nothing? What really irritates me is the fact that if anyone does get arrested, they'll probably just get charged with a misdemeanor shoplifting charge as they only took less that $30-$50 worth of merchandise.
Unfortunately, several convenience store chains train their people that way and fire clerks who take any kind of action. J.C. Penney, here in Wilson, will not prosecute shoplifters. Just raises prices for the rest of us.
It is the same with gas drive-offs. I have contacted several oil distributers and convenience stores to try to get them to have "pay first" policies. They insist it is an "inconvenience" to their customers and would drive off business. Instead, they lose thousands of dollars a year in product and pass the cost to us.
We need a modern-day Pinkerton-esque security system whereby private contractors are willing to put up with the bullshit and make it cost-effective to curtail these maggot-eating douchebags.
And NY has become such a wonderful family vacation spot.
I think I'll be carrying next time in NY.
It is the same with gas drive-offs. I have contacted several oil distributers and convenience stores to try to get them to have "pay first" policies. They insist it is an "inconvenience" to their customers and would drive off business.
Would you happen to know if any of the stations sell diesel?? Address(s)??
It is the same with gas drive-offs. I have contacted several oil distributors and convenience stores to try to get them to have "pay first" policies. They insist it is an "inconvenience" to their customers and would drive off business. Instead, they lose thousands of dollars a year in product and pass the cost to us.I cannot remember the last time I could pump gas before paying.
I cannot remember the last time I could pump gas before paying.
You should move to the Ozarks. I can't remember ever having to pay before pumping.
A "flash mob robbery" wouldn't last too damn long around here, either. :cool:
You should move to the Ozarks. I can't remember ever having to pay before pumping.Given the high proportion of nitwits in L.A., there are advantages to being able to pay at the pump.
Given the high proportion of nitwits in L.A., there are advantages to being able to pay at the pump.
Point taken. :D
Given the high proportion of nitwits in L.A., there are advantages to being able to pay at the pump.
Last week, I stopped for fuel in Medicine Bow, WY - returning from Casper, stopped for fuel, threw the lever on an old pump, dropped $250 in Red Diesel in truck and barrels for equipment. Walked inside, paid up, said hello to an old man, wink at the pretty girl behind the counter, got coffee for FREE.
Given the high proportion of nitwits in L.A., there are advantages to being able to pay at the pump.
Which reminds me. I (and the whole darn family) use Gas company cards to pay for fuel. The Daughters were doing extra driving this month and we hit our limit on the main - only $350 - but boy did that bum out D2 - there she was - and had to pay cash for gas .
No - I'm not going to up the limit - I kinda' like seeing their pained look as they have to pull money out of their purse.
GratefulCitizen
05-26-2011, 19:47
We need a modern-day Pinkerton-esque security system whereby private contractors are willing to put up with the bullshit and make it cost-effective to curtail these maggot-eating douchebags.
Hire some thugs to trash some bozos?
(Ed Gruberman is not wholly wrong.:D )
Such behavior on the part of private security is quite tolerated in some states and with some businesses.
It is also highly effective.
GratefulCitizen
06-09-2011, 20:22
More innocent fun...
Flash mobs are no big deal!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304778304576375661383528354.html?m od=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird
At first, he said, he thought it was a prank, but then he looked up and saw 15 to 20 young men approaching. "My first reaction was, 'I'm about to get robbed, what do I do?' " Mr. Wilkowski recalled in an interview.
The 34-year-old insurance company employee from a Chicago suburb grabbed the keys from his ignition and held tight to his phone. A few of the attackers dragged him off his scooter and pulled him onto Chicago Avenue where they punched him, hit him with his helmet and tried to grab his phone.
There's your argument for high-capacity magazines.
OH YEAH!! I forgot that Chicago was safe because it's gun-free!
http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2011/06/13/mcdonalds-says-offensive-twitter-picture-hoax/?test=latestnews
McDonald’s (MCD: 81.08, +0.72, +0.90%) appears to be the victim of a Twitter hoax over the weekend as an image of a sign claiming African-American customers are required to pay a $1.50 transaction fee made the rounds in the blogosphere.
The picture, which had been posted under the hashtag of #seriouslymcdonalds and has since been removed from Twitter, displayed a sign taped to a window outside of what appears to be a McDonald’s restaurant.
The sign claimed the world’s largest fast-food chain is charging African-American customers an additional fee “as an insurance measure due in part to a recent string of robberies.”
“It’s a completely senseless, ignorant hoax by some pranksters,” Heidi Barker, a McDonald’s spokesperson, told FOX Business.
Barker said she had “no idea” who had carried out the hoax.
The sign included an 800-number that connected callers to the customer satisfaction hotline of rival KFC, which is owned by Yum! Brands (YUM: 53.03, +0.23, +0.44%).
On its official Twitter account Saturday, McDonald's said, "that pic is a senseless & ignorant hoax McD’s values ALL our customers. Diversity runs deep in our culture on both sides of the counter."
Despite the official denials, the hoax gained momentum over the weekend as "Seriously McDonald's" ranked on Twitter's "Trends" list, according to tech blog Gizmodo.
Shares of McDonald’s, which were inactive ahead of Monday’s open, have increased almost 5% year-to-date.
Ret10Echo
07-08-2011, 04:38
Interesting turn of events.
Good for you Mom...
Police and city officials in Milwaukee, Wisconsin are praising parents who have turned in their own children following a July 3rd gas station raid.
"We've already seen some success," Mayor Tom Barrett said. "Some parents have already stepped up and contacted police about their children's involvement."
Article here (http://www.ksee24.com/news/local/Mom-Turns-In-Her-Kids.html)
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/126825018.html
Click on the video link to see raw video of police and sheriff's deputies investigating the scene.
Did you witness the attacks outside State Fair, or were you attacked? Were you hurt? E-mail us your story!
WEST ALLIS - Witnesses tell Newsradio 620 WTMJ and TODAY'S TMJ4 of a mob of young people attacking innocent fair-goers at the end of the opening night of State Fair, with some callers claiming a racially-charged scene.
Milwaukee Police confirmed there were assaults outside the fair.
Witnesses' accounts claim everything from dozens to hundreds of young black people beating white people as they left State Fair Thursday night.
Authorities have not given official estimates of the number of people involved in the attacks.
"It looked like they were just going after white guys, white people," said Norb Roffers of Wind Lake in an interview with Newsradio 620 WTMJ. He left the State Fair Entrance near the corner of South 84th Street and West Schlinger Avenue in West Allis.
"They were attacking everybody for no reason whatsoever."
"It was 100% racial," claimed Eric, an Iraq war veteran from St. Francis who says young people beat on his car.
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1stindoor
08-05-2011, 08:17
Anything I say is going to get me in trouble right now. To say I'm outraged is a severe understatement.
If these are black kids attacking whites because they're white, then it's a hate crime by legal definition; as long as the system works both ways, they should be punished accordingly.
This Country is in a severe state of denial about so many important issues. "Reverse" racism is one of them, and it's gonna be a source of major trouble in the near future.
The adults are at fault for not teaching them common courtesy and respect for other humans.
Team Sergeant
08-05-2011, 09:45
The state of Wisconsin does not allow one to defend themselves....
Wisconsin does not allow concealed carry.....
Here is sunny Arizona we don't have a problem with mobs.......:munchin
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/126825018.html
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/126828998.html
http://www.wisn.com/news/28774396/detail.html#ixzz1UASHk8wk
MILWAUKEE -- Local law enforcement agencies are investigating several incidents near State Fair Park late Thursday night.
Milwaukee police said that around 11:10 p.m., squads were sent to the area for reports of battery, fighting and property damage being caused by an unruly crowd of "hundreds" of people. One officer described it as a "mob beating."
Police said the group of young people attacked fairgoers who were leaving the fair grounds. Police said that some victims were attacked while walking. They said others were pulled out of cars and off of motorcycles before being beaten.
Milwaukee police said at least seven people were taken to area hospitals with non-life-threatening injuries. They said that number could go up as other responding agencies release information.
Read more: http://www.wisn.com/news/28774396/detail.html#ixzz1UAZpTlzK
Fire Support missions seem to be the rage in Philly:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/05/dramatic-video-shows-gunmen-firing-into-philadelphia-city-bus/
Spare the rod, spoil the child. There is a fine line between discipline and abuse, and sadly most people don't know the difference. :eek:
1stindoor
08-05-2011, 11:11
Although the man should have minded his own business, and threatening to call CPS for spanking a child is unconscionable, the response was not entirely appropriate to the situation.
Minding his own business is one solution...so is taking a stand against what might have been child abuse. I wasn't there...so I'm not commenting on the severity of the ass whippin'. But since a phone call was able to bring in fire support...from her other children...with no regard to the safety of the other people on the bus...maybe there was some merit to his getting into her "business."
Fire Support missions seem to be the rage in Philly:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/05/dramatic-video-shows-gunmen-firing-into-philadelphia-city-bus/
Prolly part of BATF Operation Ralph Kramden.
Although the man should have minded his own business, and threatening to call CPS for spanking a child is unconscionable, the response was not entirely appropriate to the situation.
I can't wait until you're able to post something that makes some kind of sense, dude.
1stindoor
08-05-2011, 11:18
I had the same thought...not entirely appropiate...does that mean it was somewhat appropiate? Should have brought one gun instead of two? Should have beat the man into unconsciousness instead at firing into a bus? Should have used well placed shots ensuring the "offendant" was killed not scared?
Team Sergeant
08-05-2011, 11:33
I think "I will raise my child as I see fit, and threatening to attempt having my child taken away from me for disciplining him in a completely appropriate way for his age is childish and barbaric of you. Do not concern yourself with my affairs. Thank you." would have sufficed.
Perhaps I ought to have spoken more strongly; having friends of yours blow rounds off through at and around a populated city bus as a means of deterring child protective services or to intimidate someone threatening to contact them is very illegal, very inconsiderate of public safety, counter-productive, and all involved should go to jail in my opinion.
You may want to take what Dusty said to heart and disengage.
Although the man should have minded his own business, and threatening to call CPS for spanking a child is unconscionable, the response was not entirely appropriate to the situation.
Gayest Post of the Year
The Reaper
08-05-2011, 17:56
All in the name of "keepin' it real." :rolleyes:
TR
If one's interested in keeping track, or wondering if it's in your neck of the woods.
http://violentflashmobs.com/
^^^ I see Vermont isn't anywhere on that list. I won't bring up demographics, but we also have the ability to concealed/openly carry. Seems like alot of those places don't allow for carry (NJ, Philly, DC, NYC).
Of course, a "MOB" of any kind or some other large gathering is odd in Vermont, unless it's a Phish concert or there's a clearence sale on Birkenstocks...
If one's interested in keeping track, or wondering if it's in your neck of the woods.
http://violentflashmobs.com/
:cool: That's a good link.
A mob of African Americans attack Fair Goers. It's bad when your not safe at a State Fair.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/06/hundreds-rampage-through-neighborhoods-surrounding-wisconsin-state-fair/
This makes me think that carrying 45 rounds may not be enough anymore.
Situational awareness of a scheduled "attack/gathering" when one is in the midst of a crowd already may not leave a father with enough time to safely evacuated his family from the area (fair, outdoor social event, crowded mall etc..) so what thoughts do you esteemed warriors have on how this changes personal security?
You never can tell when one of these things will escalate to murders. Furthermore these are children. Yet, 10 or 12 or 50 with bricks and bats are as much a threat as grown men.
MTN Medic
08-07-2011, 08:44
"frag out!"
This makes me think that carrying 45 rounds may not be enough anymore.
Situational awareness of a scheduled "attack/gathering" when one is in the midst of a crowd already may not leave a father with enough time to safely evacuated his family from the area (fair, outdoor social event, crowded mall etc..) so what thoughts do you esteemed warriors have on how this changes personal security?
You never can tell when one of these things will escalate to murders. Furthermore these are children. Yet, 10 or 12 or 50 with bricks and bats are as much a threat as grown men.
Think that one through, bro. They still have the "fight or flight" instinct.
Think that one through, bro. They still have the "fight or flight" instinct.I remember a few of us types being outnumbered at the Yntema, NCO, Pope AFB Clubs and downtown Hay St..:)
Stay safe.
I remember a few of us types being outnumbered at the Yntema, NCO, Pope AFB Clubs and downtown Hay St..:)
Stay safe.
lol If you were going to the Yntema Club, you had to tape up and slip in a mouthgaurd first. :D
I've trained for mob violence scenarios in an overseas context, not really expecting to need it in the states. I'm in and out of DC a lot now, and might get to put some of those hours on the mat to good use!
If life/limb/essential property was at stake, I'd take a hostage as quick as possible. Turn the mob against themselves. Keep one of their own between me and them, keeping him close to choking out but letting up a little bit just as he starts to go. Back out of the situation with the "hostage" if possible. I can't carry any weapons around here, but watching an ink pen or keys gouge into a friends eye socket, or 550 cord cut and burn through a buddies throat would certainly have a stunning effect on other would-be attackers.
This should change how shop owners think about security. Paralyzing sounds, CS canisters, and sprinkler systems all have an effect on everybody inside, not just one or two at a time. In a convenience store situation, the clerk should be equipped with counters to any measure implemented - a gas mask under the counter, ear protection nearby, or non-slip shoes. And yes, of course a semi-auto 12. ga loaded for bear.
-out
lol If you were going to the Yntema Club, you had to tape up and slip in a mouthgaurd first. :DExcept when they had the strippers during lunch and you could consume two (2) beers.:eek:
Nighttime was a different story..."they called it the stab & jab for a reason.";)
Stay safe.
Looks like it's even worse in the UK where criminals know they are safe from the citizens. Yet another reason I have no desire to live there. Curious how these mobs are mobilizing - Twitter & Facebook perhaps?
http://www.southwalesguardian.co.uk/uk_national_news/9182880.100_arrests_after_riots_and_looting/
100 arrests after riots and looting
8:03am Monday 8th August 2011
© Press Association 2011
More than 100 people have been arrested after bouts of rioting and looting broke out across London overnight.
Emergency services were deployed to respond to "copycat criminal activity" across the capital late on Sunday night and early Monday morning, after trouble flared in Tottenham, north London, Scotland Yard said.
Disturbances erupted in several boroughs in north, south and east London, with reports of trouble in Brixton, Enfield, Walthamstow and Islington.
A Metropolitan Police spokesman said at least nine officers were injured, including three who were taken to hospital after being hit by a fast-moving vehicle at 12.45am. The officers had been in the process of making arrests in Chingford Mount, Waltham Forest, after a shop was looted by youths.
Metropolitan Police Commander Christine Jones said officers were "shocked" at the level of violence directed towards them. She said: "Officers responding to sporadic disorder in a number of boroughs made more than 100 arrests throughout last night and early this morning. This is in addition to the 61 arrests made on Saturday night and Sunday morning.
"Officers are shocked at the outrageous level of violence directed against them. At least nine officers were injured overnight in addition to the 26 injured on Saturday night. We will not tolerate this disgraceful violence. The investigation continues to bring these criminals to justice."
One officer described the scene in Brixton as "a mini-Tottenham". Several shops along the High Street, including WH Smith and McDonald's, had their windows smashed, and the Tube station was closed as officers diverted commuters during the morning rush-hour.
The nights of violence came after a peaceful protest in Tottenham, north London, on Saturday, which followed the fatal shooting of Mark Duggan, 29, on Thursday.
The family of Mr Duggan said they "are not condoning" the riots and looting that rocked their local area. Mr Duggan's brother Shaun Hall told Sky News: "It seems to be the press who are generally saying that it is linked to my brother. I know people are frustrated, they're angry out there at the moment, but I would say please try and hold it down. Please don't make this about my brother's life, he was a good man."
Speaking on Monday morning, Home Secretary Theresa May said: "Those responsible for the violence and looting will be made to face the consequences of their actions. Many have been arrested and further arrests will be made. Londoners have made clear that there are no excuses for violence, and I call on all members of local communities to work constructively with the police to help them bring these criminals to justice."
© Copyright 2001-2011 Newsquest Media Group
Utah Bob
08-08-2011, 09:10
12GA, cylinder bore, 18 1/2 " barrel, narrow aisles. Would change the minds of several at once.
What size shot though?
Think that one through, bro. They still have the "fight or flight" instinct.
Believe me QP Dusty, this has been on my mind since I first started hearing about it. Thank you for your hint.
GratefulCitizen
08-08-2011, 19:08
Next time something like this happens near motor vehicles, a would-be victim might decide to take his chances and use his vehicle as a humanmower.
Nothing serious is going to be done about this problem until people start dying.
Nmap's consistent comments on the people asking for martial law may prove quite prescient.
An interesting take on the flash mob phenomena.
Civilization’s End
Daniel Greenfield
Tuesday, August 9, 2011
Canada Free Press - online
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/39282
EXCERPTS:
The flash mobs in America or the Blackberry mobs in London have one thing in common. It isn’t race, though they tend to predominantly be minorities. It’s identity.
The counterculture has not changed dramatically since the 70s, but it has tossed aside any appearance of idealism. The new counterculture draws in two groups, disaffected upper middle class white youth and lower class black youth. Their goals are purely materialistic, looted iPods and government subsidies for housing, education and anything else they can think of. These are the children of the welfare state with little in common except a rejection of the commercial way of life. Neither the entitled white university brat or the posturing ghetto teenager has any interest in working. The businesses they smash are an alien thing to them. Small businessmen do not go about smashing stores. The people who do think of commodities as something they trick or intimidate others into giving to them. And that covers everyone from municipal unions to thugs driving around BMW’s.Rand’s looters take on a more literal meaning in Tottenham. Smashing store windows and grabbing what’s inside is only the protest for more government handouts taken directly to the businesses who fund it without the bother of a government middle man.
This lawless materialism is the essence of the welfare state
This lawless materialism is the essence of the welfare state. “Loot as much as you can, or someone else will.” If you don’t grab government benefits or sneakers in store windows, someone else will. The rich are grabbing, the pols are grabbing—time to queue up and loot your share. Communism made this way of thinking so commonplace that all of Russia became one black market. And we are not far behind. What kind of people behave this way? Those who have come to think of wealth as an infinite pile from which everyone grabs as much as they can. This is where the ethos of the socialist left and hip-hop comes together. Obama gleefully spending millions on himself and trillions on national giveaways for his donors and supporters is the most obnoxious fusion of this phenomenon.
Technological savvy melded with barbaric behavior, the 21st century mobile devotee turned raider is a wake up call in more ways than one. These are not mere race riots, they are the self-organization of the end of our civilization.
An understated civil war is already raging in Europe, between Muslim and African immigrants and the society they have penetrated. The conflict has made a mockery of the social controls of Europe. Put surveillance cameras on every street, and we’ll don masks and turn out in numbers. Run your DNA banks and see how much luck you have when entire streets are burning. Outlaw knives and we’ll bring our Molotov cocktails.
The United States managed to offer enough economic growth in the last two decades that riots were mostly limited to angry white college students protesting for some radical cause. But the economic engine is off and the flash mob is here. Black unemployment is at an all time high and teenagers with thousands of dollars, but without the steadying effect of full time employment are getting their kicks.
The situation is worse in the UK, where middle class brats and African youth are equally furious at Cameron’s cuts, and eager for the looting to resume. The shooting of a criminal is a common signal to riot, but not out of outrage, but opportunity. Political outrage always transmutes into loot. The looters are not bothering to wait until some commission suggests directing more money to social programs. Their looting is more direct and more immediate. For a gratification as instant as the tech that they use to organize their banditry.
Divestment is the common denominator. Neither the middle-class white or lower-class black rioter is invested in his society
Divestment is the common denominator. Neither the middle-class white or lower-class black rioter is invested in his society. The white rioter is a globalist, the black rioter is an outsider. Neither are invested in the city and country they are busy trashing.The traditional raider saw himself as part of an outside group. The modern raider has global identities that are at odds with the country he lives in. He may see himself as a citizen of the world, a member of the Muslim Ummah, as black or a Marxist or any number of other wider identities. And these identities are more primal than being an Englishman or an American. When he joins a raiding party, it is as a member of one of those groups looting a society whose welfare is of no interest to him.
Civilization depends on a consensus. The fundamental base of that consensus is that the civilization is a worthwhile thing which must endure. We follow the law not only because the law is right, but even when it is wrong, because law is the safeguard of civilization. But why should people who do not value the civilization follow the law?
The left’s motives for rebelling are different than those of minority looters. But the end result is similar enough. A disregard for the civilization becomes a disregard for its laws. And that leaves self-interest as the only hedge against anarchy. But what interest do people who do not work for a living have in preserving the businesses of others? None at all. As far as they are concerned, smash a store, it will collect the insurance, and reopen, or another will open up in its place. And even if it doesn’t, then so what? It’s not “our businesses” anyway.
Small business is the backbone of human freedom. The small businessman is able to negotiate commercial arrangements with individuals and groups outside the dominance of larger authority. But small business is on the decline. The corner store is likely to be run by outsiders, in Detroit as in London. And around it are chain stores, franchised or not, that are primary targets of looters. Loot them enough and all that’s left is a hopelessly unrecoverable ghetto.
The bigger the institutions get, the more they are cut off from the street, and the more fragmented the society becomes. Nations become giants unable to see or fend off the gnomes hammering at their feet. And their corrective solutions inevitably lean toward more social gigantism. Violence rewarded often enough becomes a habitual tool of politics until the looter matters more than the ballot box. When the authorities show that they will reward violence with social benefits, the welfare state will grow fangs.
That process was aborted in the United States, but it is still commonplace in Europe, which has not learned the American lesson that the worst way to respond to riots is with bribery. America put an end to the riot by cutting welfare benefits and bulking up police forces. The modern NYPD and LAPD may be ugly creatures, at times downright vicious, but they are far more useful than their metropolitan police counterparts. And the black entrepreneur is a far more common figure today than the rioter.
Of course the underlying problem cannot be solved with better police forces or economic growth, only temporarily suppressed. The underlying tensions are cultural, ideological, racial and religious. The university student taught that his civilization is an illegitimate construct employed for the benefit of a few that deserves to be torn down will retain the same mindset whether he is looting an electronics shop or teaching at a school. And that mindset is contagious.The commercial tribalism of the rapper who conflates casual violence and criminality with honor follows a pattern of glorifying crime that predates and postdates race, its ubiquity dating back centuries, from the highwayman to the 1920’s bank robber, and is almost as socially disruptive and even more contagious.The narrative is the same. Its idealism and honor covers up the blatant materialism and greed that its law-breaking enables. And the message is also the same. Civilization’s end.
America put an end to the riot by cutting welfare benefits and bulking up police forces. The modern NYPD and LAPD may be ugly creatures, at times downright vicious, but they are far more useful than their metropolitan police counterparts. And the black entrepreneur is a far more common figure today than the rioter.
I find this quite interesting. Why would cutting welfare end riots?
1stindoor
08-09-2011, 09:53
I find this quite interesting. Why would cutting welfare end riots?
Hard to find time to riot after putting in a 10-12 hour day in order to feed/house yourself.
I find this quite interesting. Why would cutting welfare end riots?
Perhaps, the author of the article can shed light on your inquiry? If you recieve a response it might enhance his commentary.
From the article:
Daniel Greenfield is a New York City based writer and freelance commentator. Daniel comments on political affairs with a special focus on the War on Terror and the rising threat to Western Civilization. He maintains a blog at Sultanknish.blogspot.com.
Daniel can be reached at: sultanknish@yahoo.com
Think it's bad, now? Wait'll Obama gets booted...:munchin
The below CCTV footage is of an attempted homicide on a Philadelphia public bus AKA..SEPTA (South Eastern PA Trans Authority). The back story: while on the bus a mother slapped/spanked her child (in one passengers opinion) too hard and the passenger said something to the mother. The mother after a brief exchange of pleasantries with the passenger promptly gets on her celly and vectors in her posse. The posse meets her at the designated stop and one or two get with AK's. They proceed to open up (full auto) into the bus and at random. Thank god the homies can't shoot ...somehow no one was shot.
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/video-shows-dramatic-septa-bus-shooting
The below CCTV footage is of an attempted homicide on a Philadelphia public bus AKA..SEPTA (South Eastern PA Trans Authority). The back story: while on the bus a mother slapped/spanked her child (in one passengers opinion) too hard and the passenger said something to the mother. The mother after a brief exchange of pleasantries with the passenger promptly gets on her celly and vectors in her posse. The posse meets her at the designated stop and one or two get with AK's. They proceed to open up (full auto) into the bus and at random. Thank god the homies can't shoot ...somehow no one was shot.
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/video-shows-dramatic-septa-bus-shooting
Covered in post # 74, bro.
Think it's bad, now? Wait'll Obama gets booted...:munchin
It's interesting to listen to these young females vis-a-vis the comments on lawless materialism being the essence of the welfare state - as Obama stokes class envy.
When this sh$t hits here - for real - it will get messy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424
BBC - online
9 August 2011 Last updated at 08:35 ET
Two girls who took part in Monday night's riots in Croydon have boasted that they were showing police and "the rich" that "we can do what we want".The pair who were drinking wine looted from a local shop at 09:30 BST on Tuesday morning, spoke to the BBC's Leana Hosea.
Croydon was one of several areas plagued by unrest on Monday night, on a third night of riots in the capital.
There were also violent scenes in several other English cities.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/8/mayor-talks-tough-to-black-teens-after-flash-mobs/
London riots: residents fight back
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8691761/London-riots-residents-fight-back.html
It is interesting to see the mix of nationalities and neighborhoods involved in this "residents fight back" story. Rioters turn a corner just as the local Mosque finishes the nightly prayers :D.
"Shops and homes in an upmarket area of south London were protected from rioters by a human barricade as residents and workers across the capital were forced to defend themselves.........................."
1stindoor
08-09-2011, 12:06
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/8/mayor-talks-tough-to-black-teens-after-flash-mobs/
At least the mayor was willing to to speak up. I agree it's too little and too late, the community didn't respond when Bill Cosby admonished them, they didn't respond when Chris Rock admonished them, and they won't respond now either.
Monday, the mayor said gangs will be confronted.
“If you want to be aggressive, we’re going to be aggressive,” Mr. Nutter said, before sending a warning.
“Let me just share this with you. We’ve got the biggest, baddest gang in town - a committed group of citizens and a committed government - and we’re working together and we’re not going to have this nonsense anymore.”
I'll be interested to see how this escalates.
1stindoor
08-09-2011, 12:08
London riots: residents fight back
Imagine that, stand up for yourself and the punks move in the direction of the least resistance.
To me, "tinderbox" refers to something that is so dry that it could catch fire with the slightest provocation.
In reference to flash mobs, the current London riots and the continued stoking of class warfare by our elected leadership - I believe that it is not a stretch to think that we sit on a tinderbox of potential violence. The adults in DC need to get out ahead of this possibility - and explain the new economic reality to their constituents.
But, for Harry and Nancy and Barack that would take courage…instead, my best bet is that they’ll avoid the (hard) truth and continue with the politics of personal destruction. Keep your powder dry.
Below is an article that expands on my casual observation.
The American Interest - online
August 7, 2011
American Tinderbox
Walter Russell Mead
Excerpts:
The 2005 riots in France and the more recent riot in London tell us that youth and unemployment can be a bad mix; violent flash mobs should remind us that the same thing can happen here and in the age of social media, violent crowds can appear where and when law enforcement can’t cope.
Traditional liberals come in at this point to argue for spending more money on the traditional social intervention programs in the inner city. This is unlikely to happen; there is not much evidence that these programs accomplish very much — and there isn’t any money. Even taxing “millionaires and billionaires” to the eyeballs won’t manage out of control entitlements — much less inaugurate yet another “Marshall Plan for the cities”.
The conditions for a Category 5 hurricane are all there; it is easy to see a political reaction taking shape in this country that would make the Tea Party movement look like a PTA bake sale. They say that great storms start with trivial causes: a butterfly waves its wings and, when conditions are just right, the wind begins to grow.
The country is so angry now that it would not take much more than the right butterfly in the right place to take us to the next stage of struggle over the Great Society legacy. Just as the urban riots of the 1960s played a role in the hasty adoption of the sixties policy complex, so a rash of small urban confrontations that caught on à la française could dramatically accelerate and intensify the current upheaval in American politics.
If that happens, the result is very unlikely to be a strengthening of the foundations of the Great Society state.
Full article here:
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/08/07/american-tinderbox/
I know one thing; I wish I had a warehouse full of ball bats to sell in London right now. :D
I know one thing; I wish I had a warehouse full of ball bats to sell in London right now. :D
You sure got that right - even a good brolly might do - if this stuff starts here think Korean shopkeepers in LA.
:lifter
greenberetTFS
08-09-2011, 13:26
You sure got that right - even a good brolly might do - if this stuff starts here think Korean shopkeepers in LA.
:lifter
???............:confused:
Big Teddy :munchin
1stindoor
08-09-2011, 13:28
...http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/08/07/american-tinderbox/
Thanks for that link. It was a very well written piece. Even more surprising was the well thought out comments (for the most part) that followed that piece.
1stindoor
08-09-2011, 13:32
???............:confused:
Big Teddy :munchin
I'm assuming he meant the ones that stood guard over their shops with shotguns threatening to shoot anyone that attempted to loot their stores. When the "mobs" encountered resistance...they moved elsewhere. But not before the shopkeepers were vilified by the MSM for their vigilante attitude.
I've said it before, let them board up their shops, and let the inner city denizens walk or take buses miles away to do their grocery shopping...and they'll complain of racial injustice.
???............:confused:
Big Teddy :munchin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT2HvCCGgP0&feature=related
greenberetTFS
08-09-2011, 13:47
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT2HvCCGgP0&feature=related
Gotcha.............;)
Big Teddy :munchin
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/09/for-flash-mobsters-crowd-size-tempting-cover/
For those of you not trackin'.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/city/127284253.html
Posted on Tue, Aug. 9, 2011
Nutter tightens weekend curfew on Center City
By Troy Graham
Inquirer Staff Writer
The economic and social core of the city will be off-limits to minors after 9 p.m. on weekends after Mayor Nutter announced Monday that he was expanding the city's curfew in response to "flash mobs" of marauding teenagers.
The early curfew will apply to anyone under 18 in Center City and University City, where police officers on foot, bike, and horseback will continue to be deployed in force.
Nutter also said 20 of the city's largest recreation centers would be open until 10 Friday and Saturday nights as the city searches for more "long-term, sustainable . . . safe spaces for our young people."
The mayor called the moves part of a "holistic response" to the flash mob phenomenon that has plagued the city the last two summers.
In the most recent incident, on July 29, teens beat random strangers in Center City. Among the four young males arrested in those attacks was an 11-year-old boy.
"We are not joking around. This not a game. This is not fun," Nutter said. "It is no one's idea of how to spend time in any part of the city."
The mayor attempted to balance his anger at what he called "erratic, senseless attacks" with a focus on "positive options for our young people."
"When we ignore our young people's needs, when we don't offer job opportunities, when we don't invest in their education or in their future, all of us have failed them," he said.
The announcements came a day after Nutter delivered an impassioned and personal speech from the pulpit of Mount Carmel Baptist, his church of 25 years. The mayor blistered absent fathers and neglectful parents in the black community and told troublemaking teens: "You have damaged your own race."
"I said what needed to be said, at a time that it needed to be said. And I think, quite honestly, people were ready to hear it," Nutter said Monday.
The mayor was backed at Monday's news conference by a huge contingent of city officials and leaders from the black community, including J. Whyatt Mondesire, the leader of the Philadelphia NAACP.
Mondesire said the mayor's Mount Carmel speech "took courage" to deliver, and said he supported Nutter's efforts to rein in the flash mobs.
"These are mostly African American youths, and they need to be called on it," he said. "Right now, our overwhelming concern is the safety of all Philadelphians."
The curfew will be enforced in neighborhoods where the mob attacks have occurred or where large groups of teens gather.
The boundaries where the curfew will apply in Center City are Vine Street to Bainbridge Street and the Delaware River to the Schuylkill.
In University City, the curfew will apply from Market Street to Baltimore Avenue and 38th to 43d Streets.
"If we have problems come up in other parts of the city, we'll move the grid," Police Commissioner Charles H. Ramsey said. "But right now, these are the areas . . . where we think we can have the greatest impact."
The previous curfew for minors between 13 and 17 had been 10:30 p.m. during the week and midnight Friday and Saturday. This past weekend, police cited a dozen teens for violating that curfew, Nutter said.
Teens can be fined up to $300 and parents can face fines of up to $500 after a child violates curfew for a second time. Nutter said he would work with City Council in the fall to write a comprehensive curfew law.
Nutter said the early curfew does not mean police will arrest any teen out after those hours.
"But if you are out wreaking havoc, if you are out causing problems, if you are out doing things you shouldn't be doing, we're going to get you off the streets," he said.
City officials promised to continue seeking harsh punishment for teens involved in the assaults and vandalism.
"When all else fails and people give up all the norms of society, they're going to deal with us," District Attorney Seth Williams said. "There will be no diversionary programs, no community service, for people who commit random acts of violence."
Nutter repeated another refrain - that flash mobs are not "just a policing problem. This is challenge for all of us as community members."
He called for community leaders and volunteers to step up to help youths, but he also issued another scolding to parents.
"It is your responsibility to know where your kids are, what they are doing, and who they are with," he said. "They are your children. You need to raise them."
The city is going to continue reaching out to teens through youth-friendly media, and a number of other initiatives are under consideration, said Jordan Harris, executive director of the city's Youth Commission.
"If we're going to tell them what they can't do, we have to tell them what they can do," he said.
Radio personalities, and North Philadelphia natives, Izzo and DJ Damage also plan to discuss flash mobs and encourage positive outlets for teens on their shows on FM 100.3 The Beat.
DJ Damage said he planned to speak to students at 15 high schools this school year.
"That's really the pledge I'm taking for the city," he said. "I support the mayor 100 percent."
Nutter said the stakes were high - flash mobs bruise the reputation and vitality of the city - and he made no apologies for saying that black teens who participate in them are harming their race.
"When [people] see that kind of behavior and activity, it is in fact damaging to all African Americans and all Philadelphians," Nutter said. "That's why I said what I said."
SNIP
See a video of Mayor Nutter's speech from the pulpit at Mount Carmel Baptist Church at www.philly.com/nutterchurch
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GratefulCitizen
08-09-2011, 21:33
There have been plenty of statistics and supposed correlations with crime over the years.
I'm bettin' there's a correlation between crime and the percentage of a local population who falls into a specific category.
The category: unmarried males from 15-25 years of age who are not under military discipline.
People may want to think about that demographic when they choose where to live or do business.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/10/flashmob-attacks-in-us-cities-raise-questions-over-possible-race-motivation/
Police departments in several cities around the country are investigating what appear to be incidents of "flash mob"-generated violence, in which packs of dozens or even hundreds of youths appear seemingly out of nowhere to commit assaults, robberies and other crimes against innocent bystanders.
The motive and circumstances surrounding the attacks that have resulted in numerous arrests around the country are being investigated -- and law enforcement officials in at least one city are looking into a possible racial component to the crimes.
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Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/10/flashmob-attacks-in-us-cities-raise-questions-over-possible-race-motivation/#ixzz1UfQSdQ7k
I applaud Mayor Nutter for taking a stand and saying like it is. Maybe more cities and towns will take their cue from him and implement curfews of this nature. If a 13 or 15 year old kid is out running around town at midnight, they are up to no good.
I applaud Mayor Nutter for taking a stand and saying like it is. Maybe more cities and towns will take their cue from him and implement curfews of this nature. If a 13 or 15 year old kid is out running around town at midnight, they are up to no good.
I applaud him too for being willing to make bold statements about the root of the problem. I'm not so sure how I feel about the curfews.
As for a 13 or 15 yr old kid out running around town at midnight, that is how I stayed OUT of trouble when I was that age. When I was 13 it was rollerblading through the streets to burn off steam, when I was 15 it was running as late as 1am and biking as early as 3. Yes, I take responsibility for my mother aging early.
Prevention is good, CONTROL is not. I'm definitely opposed to the UK's proposed solution to the problem - block facebook and twitter during riots. I guess it's what all the peace-loving governments are doing nowadays.
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Ret10Echo
08-12-2011, 17:52
Mayor Nutter, well said Sir.
Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter, who recently imposed a stricter curfew in response to the city's latest attack, addressed black youths directly from the pulpit of his church on Sunday, reportedly saying, “You have damaged your own race.”
"If you want …anybody else to respect you and not be afraid when they see you walking down the street, then leave the innocent people who are walking down the street minding their own damn business. Leave them alone,"
Coverage on BBC here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14509831)
Where my FAVORITE quote was:
Although Jennifer, 15, has never been in a flash mob she sees it as a way for teens to express their anger and frustration and to force adults to listen to them.
So this is like interpretive dance???
Ret10Echo
08-13-2011, 06:32
Some interesting side-notes on the issue. This will come to a head soon and in a courtroom I am sure.
:munchin
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Transit officials said Friday that they blocked cellphone reception in San Francisco train stations for three hours to disrupt planned demonstrations over a police shooting.
..... they turned off electricity to cellular towers in four stations from 4 p.m. to 7 p.m. Thursday. ..... learned that protesters planned to use mobile devices to coordinate a demonstration on train platforms.
LOS ANGELES (AP) — The Los Angeles County sheriff's department says The Game incited a telephone flash mob that overwhelmed the emergency phone system.
Capt. Mike Parker tells the Los Angeles Times that the rapper tweeted the number of the Compton station Friday and told his 580,000 followers that if they wanted an internship with him, they should call the number.
Ret10Echo
08-15-2011, 18:44
Another video... GERMANTOWN, Md
I allow the viewer to draw their own conclusions. :munchin
Link (http://wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2497681)(With video)
Another video... GERMANTOWN, Md
I allow the viewer to draw their own conclusions. :munchin
Link (http://wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2497681)(With video)
Ha, i was wondering how long it would take to hit our state
Some interesting side-notes on the issue. This will come to a head soon and in a courtroom I am sure.
:munchin
He endangered the lives of each of the citizens living in that departments purvue. I would hope that he does see a courtroom, and that the judge meets out punishment severe enough to deter such 'stunts' in the future.
He endangered the lives of each of the citizens living in that departments purvue. I would hope that he does see a courtroom, and that the judge meets out punishment severe enough to deter such 'stunts' in the future.
What would he be charged with?
Would it be similar to a political alert where a PAC tells people to "Call your congressman" and it crashes the system?
If a law is created - or stretched - to cover such stunts who decides if it is a stunt?
What would he be charged with?
Would it be similar to a political alert where a PAC tells people to "Call your congressman" and it crashes the system?
If a law is created - or stretched - to cover such stunts who decides if it is a stunt?
Could inciting people to overload an emergency phone system compare to yelling Fire! in a crowded theater? :munchin
Could inciting people to overload an emergency phone system compare to yelling Fire! in a crowded theater? :munchin
I thought 911 was the emergency number.
What would he be charged with?
Would it be similar to a political alert where a PAC tells people to "Call your congressman" and it crashes the system?
If a law is created - or stretched - to cover such stunts who decides if it is a stunt?
That is an interesting and thought provoking question. Furthermore, in the context of this thread I would expand it further while I ruminate on my own answer; how would the law handle someone who has started a flash mob that results in the loss of life or destruction of someones personal property, especially if the instigator did not participate?
Have we created something new in these cases? For example, take the early videos of scores of black children walking into a store and committing what is essentially petty larceny, a misdemeanor offense. Yet, the sum of the misdemeanors committed by the individuals, when part of the whole, the 'mob', their action/s results in a larger cumulative offense. How will it discourage further 'mob' behavior when each individual is punished based on their own individual actions?
I realize that the answer is fairly simple; each individual should be charged for only the crimes they committed. Yet...
Let me make one more example for the sake of discussion. Put the same 2 score children in the same store, doing the same petty crimes, yet each on the way out punches the clerk one time. 40 single blows later, the clerk dies. Each child is guilty of only simple assault, while the sum total of those simple assaults cause the death of a person. What punishment does the law impose on each of the individuals?
I assert that we are in new (at least in my narrow experience) territory here in our country.
I thought 911 was the emergency number.
According to a statement made by Cpt. Mike Parker of the Compton Sheriff's Station , these line apparently handled 911 calls as well(maybe backup for primary lines, or to handle 911 overflow). See http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391072,00.asp
Edit: According to that same article, they are filing charges against him. My very limited understanding is that this could be classed as interference under CA 502(http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/1/13/5/s502) of telecommunications facilities belonging to a government agency, again I am no lawyer so YMMV.
According to a statement made by Cpt. Mike Parker of the Compton Sheriff's Station , these line apparently handled 911 calls as well(maybe backup for primary lines, or to handle 911 overflow). See http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391072,00.asp
Edit: According to that same article, they are filing charges against him. My very limited understanding is that this could be classed as interference under CA 502(http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/1/13/5/s502) of telecommunications facilities belonging to a government agency, again I am no lawyer so YMMV.
Did you read the same article I did? The article says nothing about him telling his followers to call 911. He gave them the PD's regular number.
And your edited "charges" would now include what I first stated. Politicians are government folks and so can PACs be charged?
Did you read the same article I did? The article says nothing about him telling his followers to call 911. He gave them the PD's regular number.
Yes, and he did not, however, the article does clearly state that he interfered with 911 operations; granted sharing backup lines between 911 and the main number is poor design IMO.
And your edited "charges" would now include what I first stated. Politicians are government folks and so can PACs be charged?
In CA, maybe, again, I am not a lawyer; Overall, I would say no, the last time I checked, politicians aren't handling emergencies(their usually creating them :p ), LEO are. My .02, YMMV
..............In CA, maybe, again, I am not a lawyer; Overall, I would say no, the last time I checked, politicians aren't handling emergencies(their usually creating them :p ), LEO are. My .02, YMMV
The penal code you linked to reads like it was written for computer hackers - not somebody calling with a phone.
And it covers everybody - not just the government.
Which again brings me again back to my first point - this could be stretched a great length.
The penal code you linked to reads like it was written for computer hackers - not somebody calling with a phone.
Indeed it does, and I misread paragraph two :o , it does not *seem* to cover telecommunications networks, my apologies.
And it covers everybody - not just the government.
Which again brings me again back to my first point - this could be stretched a great length.
Agreed, though covering annoying your Congress Critter would be a very far stretch...besides, isn't that their job, to listen to us :eek:
Then again, anything can be stretched for any reason, case in point: FAA regulations and the proposed trash transfer facility next to LGA.
:D
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/17/new-video-surfaces-showing-unprovoked-attack-by-philadelphia-teens/
Philadelphia extends youth curfew after flash mobs
By PATRICK WALTERS
Associated Press
PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- A stricter curfew for minors will be extended two weeks, because the measure has been successful in helping to curb violent attacks by teen mobs that had severely injured several people in recent months, city officials said.
The 9 p.m. summertime curfew was put in place earlier this month downtown and in the University City neighborhood - home to the University of Pennsylvania and Drexel University. Mayor Michael Nutter's administration is extending it two weeks, until the regular school-year curfew takes effect.
His spokesman Mark McDonald said the curfew is sending "a very strong message."
"It's a success, a relative success," McDonald said Monday. "We will pick up any child who violates the curfew. ... We are enforcing it. And going forward we are enforcing it."
There have been few major problems the last few weeks since the curfew was put into effect, McDonald said. Last weekend, there were 32 youths picked up for curfew violations, according to police.
The special summertime curfew applies to all children under age 18, with a handful of exceptions, such as youths traveling to jobs.
The regular school-year curfew starts Sept. 6. Under that city ordinance, youth ages 13 to 17 are subject to a 10:30 p.m. curfew on weekdays and a midnight curfew on weekends; children up through age 12 have a curfew of 9 p.m. on weekdays and 10 p.m. on weekends.
In one mob attack last month, a man ended up in the hospital with broken teeth and a wired jaw after a group of teenagers attacked him downtown. Hours later, a crowd of young people assaulted four other men. An 11-year-old boy was among the four young people arrested in the case.
In its efforts to crack down on the attacks, the city has also stationed more police officers downtown, extended the hours of some youth centers and embarked on a campaign to get business leaders to register their security cameras with the police department.
There have been some problems and opposition associated with the stricter curfew.
Last weekend, a group of opponents gathered to call the new curfew illegal and racist, saying economic development was needed to solve the problem. Earlier this month, on the first weekend of the new curfew, a teenage girl was stabbed while walking home from a city-sponsored bowling party in the Juniata neighborhood, an event where Nutter had appeared earlier.
On Tuesday, state Rep. Louise Williams Bishop, a Philadelphia Democrat who heads the House Children and Youth Committee, was scheduled to hold a public hearing on the flash mob attacks at St. Joseph's University.
Original Story (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PHILLY_TEEN_MOBS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-08-22-13-36-16)
The local 'gubment is saying the curfew is a smashing success.
The locals are saying they need economic development to curb the 'flash mobbing'.
This seems to offer a two sided problem. On one hand, 'developing their economics' would give them what exactly? Given the average age of these flash mobbers, a developed economy would simply give their parents a couple more dollars a month to give them in allowance and they STILL would need to go 'stick it to the rich'. On the other hand, by not 'developing their economy' and placing them under a curfew, would allow them to save their allowance, which would give them better access to Iphones and Ipads.
If this is truly an entitlement driven response (the flash mobs), and their motivation is to stick it to the rich, then no matter what is done, they will not feel that the 'rich have been stuck it to' until there are no more rich. Strangely, our President's policies seem to aggressive target the rich. Coincidence?
It seems that some folks take offense to what the Mayor said:
Philadelphia mayor criticizes black community for racism, 'flash mobs' (http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/philadelphia-mayor-criticizes-black-community-racism-flash-mobs?page=0,0)Luck I'm not the Mayor.:eek:
I'd get on one of those "social-networking" sites and set-up a reverse sting...
"Hey! Everybody meet here and we're going flash mob xyz store at xyz time, then I'd have police sitting in back out of site. I'd also install self "automatic" locking doors.";)
As soon as the lil-bastards storm the store...I'd lock the doors and have the police come swarming out and arrest everyone.:lifter
Stay safe.
1stindoor
08-23-2011, 11:45
It seems that some folks take offense to what the Mayor said:
[Stay safe.
I thought this quote was pretty interesting in the story,
...some have questioned whether Nutter is really a mouthpiece for black Philadelphians. The mayor’s popularity has consistently fared better in white wards. Former Mayor John Street, Nutter’s predecessor, told a newspaper last year that Nutter was “not a black mayor ... just a mayor with dark skin.”
I wonder if I can get away with saying things like that?
I thought this quote was pretty interesting in the story,
I wonder if I can get away with saying things like that?
It is funny how Libs, and I don't care what race; gender; or sexual orientation they are, always throw out the bias cards first. Everytime someone does not agree with them or their methods, the opposition is always a "phobe" of some kind; a racist or an "Uncle Tom." They don't try to argue the merits of the case at all. It is automatic name calling.
Mayor Nutter is getting it now. Bill Cosby has been catching it for years. Allen West; Herman Cain; Allen Keyes; Colin Powell; Condi Rice; to name a few of those targeted in such a way. The Libs cannot stand an educated conservative from any minority group.
I thought this quote was pretty interesting in the story,
I wonder if I can get away with saying things like that?If I can't get away with it, you damn sure ain't going too!:p
Mayor Nutter is getting it now. Bill Cosby has been catching it for years. Allen West; Herman Cain; Allen Keyes; Colin Powell; Condi Rice; to name a few of those targeted in such a way. The Libs cannot stand an educated conservative from any minority group.I think I belong to that group.
"I said fcuk Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton amongst some kin-folk one time; and all hell almost broke loose.":D
Stay safe.
Video shows teens mob clerk.........
http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/09/video-shows-crowd-of-teens-bea.html
Dallas this time......
"...............The melee, which was caught on video, happened last month at the Exxon Tiger Mart at South Polk Street and Interstate 20, WFAA-TV (Channel 8) reports............."
1stindoor
09-08-2011, 11:16
When the clerk confronted them and tried to close the door, someone in the crowd punches him, knocking him to the ground.
"Once they got me on the ground, I thought they were going to kill me,"
And now we've moved beyond simple shoplifting or petty larceny and on to assault.
Ret10Echo
09-19-2011, 04:59
Would a law such as this serve as a deterrent? Or is it overreaction (as some state)?
Personal accountability while hiding in the herd may not be a bad idea...for those who are on the fringe and just get swept along. Since most of these are juveniles will it really matter even if it makes it through all the flaming hoops and bashing?
Remember this is Maryland...infamous as a "Hug-a-Thug" state. I'm especially amused that the origin of the legislation is from the imperial Left-wing-Libo-bastion of Montgomery county and the nay-sayer is a conservative from the Eastern Shore region.
:munchin
Harsher flash-mob penalties weighed in Maryland
Proposed legislation would hold each participant responsible for total stolen
A Maryland lawmaker is considering legislation in next year’s General Assembly to strengthen penalties related to flash-mob robberies.
Delegate Jeffrey D. Waldstreicher, Montgomery Democrat, said he might sponsor a bill that would hold each flash-mob participant responsible for the total amount of merchandise stolen by the group, rather than just for their own actions
Full story from the Wash Times here (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/18/harsher-flash-mob-penalties-weighed-in-maryland/?page=all#pagebreak)
Team Sergeant
09-19-2011, 09:39
And now we've moved beyond simple shoplifting or petty larceny and on to assault.
I can't wait for the "one" that puts an end to an entire flash mob.....:D
It's coming. Right about now everyone in America knows what a flash mob is and what they do. Now that they have become violent someone is waiting......
I am going to laugh my ass off when "that guy" kills a dozen flash mob individuals and wounds 43 more. Then and only then will the "parents" get involved, along with jesse jackson and the other "Reverend" moron.
1stindoor
09-19-2011, 10:04
Would a law such as this serve as a deterrent? Or is it overreaction (as some state)?
Ask the guy driving the getaway car who's a block away from the bank when the actual robber is shooting the cop if he thinks this might have served as a deterrent. I say try them all as being responsible for all of it.
Lonesome Dove - Gus McCrae to Jake Spoon about his riding with the Suggs after Jake claimed he didn't do anything and was fixing to leave the group:
"A man that will go along with five killin's is taking his leaving awful slow. You know how it works Jake. You ride with an outlaw, you die with an outlaw."
Richard :munchin
1stindoor
09-19-2011, 11:13
Lonesome Dove - Gus McCrae to Jake Spoon about his riding with the Suggs after Jake claimed he didn't do anything and was fixing to leave the group:
"A man that will go along with five killin's is taking his leaving awful slow. You know how it works Jake. You ride with an outlaw, you die with an outlaw."
Richard :munchin
Them's hangin' words.
Personally, though I haven't seen any "factual evidence" I would think the idea of being held responsible for the group's actions/damages/thefts...would be a good deterrant. Especially in light of video evidence. It's real hard to argue your theft was petty when it served as a backdrop/distractor for something bigger.
TacOfficer
09-19-2011, 11:30
Mind if i chime in?
TacOfficer
09-19-2011, 11:45
In Illinois, if force is used in the furtherance of a retail theft, such as hitting the store clerk on the way out or fighting with the security guard to escape it can be upgraded to Robbery. Problem here is trying to get felony charges approved. Too often, some States Attorney working for our thoroughly democratic government (Chicago, Cook County, Illinois) denies the charges and says "make two charges, a theft and battery" both being misdemeanors. My co-working and I are also waiting to see the fall out from "that guy" you mentioned when it happens.
Team Sergeant
09-19-2011, 11:56
In Illinois, if force is used in the furtherance of a retail theft, such as hitting the store clerk on the way out or fighting with the security guard to escape it can be upgraded to Robbery. Problem here is trying to get felony charges approved. Too often, some States Attorney working for our thoroughly democratic government (Chicago, Cook County, Illinois) denies the charges and says "make two charges, a theft and battery" both being misdemeanors. My co-working and I are also waiting to see the fall out from "that guy" you mentioned when it happens.
Yeah, I only hope it "happens" in Texas or Arizona......;)
If it happens in a socialist state where only cops and criminals carry weapons, we all know what the outcome will be.
Them's hangin' words.
Personally, though I haven't seen any "factual evidence" I would think the idea of being held responsible for the group's actions/damages/thefts...would be a good deterrant. Especially in light of video evidence. It's real hard to argue your theft was petty when it served as a backdrop/distractor for something bigger.
I thought it was the law in most parts??
1)If I shoot & kill someone invading my home,, the driver will get murder 1 charges.
2)If I drive the get-a-way and someone is shot in the bank,, I'll get homicide charges?
3)If I brake the window of a car,, and my buddy drives it away, we will both get charged with GTA..
So,, what is new here and why aren't they getting the full weight of the laws already available???
:munchin
Wuzzie DA's that what's new...
:mad:
Ret10Echo
09-19-2011, 17:57
I thought it was the law in most parts??
So,, what is new here and why aren't they getting the full weight of the laws already available???
Proposal changes the field...
Current law = Flash mob...$1,000 of merchandise grab-n-dashed. One of the "mobsters" gets snagged by local LEO. They have $10 worth of merchandise in their possession... Misdemeanor, slap on wrist...turn over to parents...done.
New law = Flash mob...$1,000 of merchandise grab-n-dashed. One of the "mobsters" gets snagged by local LEO. They have $10 worth of merchandise in their possession. They get charged with Felony theft for full amount of $1,000
GratefulCitizen
09-20-2011, 21:27
Proposal changes the field...
Current law = Flash mob...$1,000 of merchandise grab-n-dashed. One of the "mobsters" gets snagged by local LEO. They have $10 worth of merchandise in their possession... Misdemeanor, slap on wrist...turn over to parents...done.
New law = Flash mob...$1,000 of merchandise grab-n-dashed. One of the "mobsters" gets snagged by local LEO. They have $10 worth of merchandise in their possession. They get charged with Felony theft for full amount of $1,000
Combine the felonies with TS's "that guy", and the behavior will end quickly.
"That guy" need only drop one if all the others are charged with felony theft.
Someone dies in the commission of a felony, all the rest go down for murder.
This solution was suggested about 4 months ago on page 3.
TacOfficer
09-21-2011, 19:52
Combine the felonies with TS's "that guy", and the behavior will end quickly.
"That guy" need only drop one if all the others are charged with felony theft.
Someone dies in the commission of a felony, all the rest go down for murder.
This solution was suggested about 4 months ago on page 3.
Can you imagine the ghetto out cry if one of these "honor students, about the turn his life around, family man (3 kids, 3 mommas)", we wont mention the rap sheet, was gunned down in cold blood by some gun toting, licensed to kill hater. Oh the store front reverends would have a field day with their newly minted martyr. The grieving momma in front of the media cameras, screaming "They Shot my baby, he only wanted a candy bar......"
Seen it too many times. Some dirt bag shoots at the police, police return fire. Next thing you know the whole neighborhood empties out onto the street. Then there's the family with the Revs acting as the spokesman..........
Well you get the picture.
Well you get the picture.Yes, but maybe not the one you intend to convey.
GratefulCitizen
09-21-2011, 20:52
Can you imagine the ghetto out cry if one of these "honor students, about the turn his life around, family man (3 kids, 3 mommas)", we wont mention the rap sheet, was gunned down in cold blood by some gun toting, licensed to kill hater. Oh the store front reverends would have a field day with their newly minted martyr. The grieving momma in front of the media cameras, screaming "They Shot my baby, he only wanted a candy bar......"
Seen it too many times. Some dirt bag shoots at the police, police return fire. Next thing you know the whole neighborhood empties out onto the street. Then there's the family with the Revs acting as the spokesman..........
Well you get the picture.
Just a candy bar.
“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence”.
-John Adams
Somewhere along the way, an idea took hold that if you want something badly enough, you deserve it.
Then the idea became sanctioned in income redistribution and "economic justice".
There are no longer any easy solutions.
Some people have chosen to learn the hard way.
Our society loves to root and support the under dogs. Can't say anything bad about those under dogs. To bad real Dogs have more respect for Man then the people in these videos.
Yes, but maybe not the one you intend to convey.
What are you inferring, Sigaba?
ZonieDiver
09-22-2011, 06:27
Yes, but maybe not the one you intend to convey.
Sometimes your really short posts are better than your long, brainy ones!:D
What are you inferring, Sigaba?
Sigaba's "implying" - you're "inferring", brother! :p
(I couldn't resist, and wanted to beat Richard!)
Sometimes your really short posts are better than your long, brainy ones!:D
Sigaba's "implying" - you're "inferring", brother! :p
(I couldn't resist, and wanted to beat Richard!)
You failed. He bombarded me, telepathically, prior to your post. :D
ZonieDiver
09-22-2011, 06:41
You failed. He bombarded me, telepathically, prior to your post. :D
Great! Now, Richard is Megamind! :D
greenberetTFS
09-22-2011, 11:31
Great! Now, Richard is Megamind! :D
:D ;)
Big Teddy :munchin
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/06/police-seek-thugs-suspected-of-series-of-robberies-in-lower-manhattan-subways/
1stindoor
11-22-2011, 11:22
The more things change...the more they stay the same...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/22/flash-mob-rules-at-maryland-7-eleven/?test=latestnews
Hey - we have created a classification of savages that are merely removing the "middle-man". Why wait for congress to strip it from the producers, take their skim off the top, and then redistribute it to the "chillrun" when you can just walk in and take whatever you want??? It's only "fair".....
"The man be owin' it to us an shiii" (I'm fairly conversant in ebonics).
We are doomed.
Stopp700
11-23-2011, 06:42
Would a little Zeyklon B sprinkeled in the AC units be too much?
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-07-17/story/saturday-night-flash-mob-takes-over-jacksonville-wal-mart
'Flash Mob' targets Troutdale Albertsons
And another one
http://www.kgw.com/news/Flash-mob-targets-Troutdale-Albertsons-store-159463245.html
More yutes just out keepin' it real.
Been a while since we had any updates.
Here's a new one - rent a party bus, take a drive out of the hood, stop the bus a short distance from a store and do your thing.
"80 people detained, 2 arrested in Huntington Beach flash mob robbery"
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/beach-740570-robbery-detained.html
"......The bus, owned by LPB Inc. based in Whittier, was boarded by the group in Nickerson Gardens, a public housing complex in Watts, said Marlatt......."
Nickerson Gardens, a public housing complex in Watts,
I'm surprised that LAPD doesn't have a substation in Nick Gardens. Very bad place.
Pat