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This kind of made my blood boil a little.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ZZHGO5sXw&feature=youtu.be
greenberetTFS
03-29-2011, 17:04
This kind of made my blood boil a little.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ZZHGO5sXw&feature=youtu.be
This kinda makes my blood boil a lot..........:mad:
Big Teddy :munchin
Buffalobob
03-29-2011, 17:55
I used to have a hoop on our street until my bones got too brittle to play. I had it up for nearly ten years until I took it down. Then one of our neighbors had two little boys and put up a hoop so I went up and told him about how to spray paint the street to make a foul line and a 3 point arc. The kids play out there most days when it is warm. Its illegal and we all know its illegal and the police drive right by it and ticket the cars without proper tags and inspection stickers.
cback0220
03-29-2011, 18:11
When I was a kid I played basketball everyday on the hoop in front of my house. Whether it was raining or hot, cold, no matter what. This is disgusting. Honestly.
Letter of the law vs spirit of the law and its common sense application - the Delaware police and DOT are gonna regret the avalanche of negative publicity they're gonna get from that action.
Dumb@$$e$!
Richard :munchin
Utah Bob
03-29-2011, 20:50
Ridiculous!!:mad::mad:
BingoBango
03-29-2011, 21:54
As a local LEO, rest assured that had I been selected to escort those DOT folks I would have given my supervisor the choice of selecting someone else or accepting my resignation.
There are plenty of city ordinances and state laws that are outdated and some even completely ridiculous. Discretion is a powerful tool, obviously these municipal powers that be are severely lacking in etiquette regarding the same.
John_Chrichton
03-29-2011, 22:12
Letter of the law vs spirit of the law and its common sense application - the Delaware police and DOT are gonna regret the avalanche of negative publicity they're gonna get from that action.
Dumb@$$e$!
Richard :munchin
Very well said, sir.
It's comforting to know that in this country, originally founded on principles of individual liberty and limited government, we now have laws regulating literally everything, right down to the positioning of basketball hoops.
This kinda makes my blood boil a lot..........:mad:
Big Teddy :munchin
Ridiculous!!:mad::mad:
Couldn't agree more with you Gents. This action by DelDOT is absolutely asinine.
You know, I hope this video crosses POTUS Berry's desk. He's a big hoops fan. I'd like to see little Miss Prissy explain her way out of lying to that gentleman and loosing the public's trust single handedly to the POTUS.
This from the first State to adopt the U.S. Constitution.
Boy, just wait 'til Joe Biden finds out...he'll sure make change happen!
Sickening.
http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104768&article=8353100
Surgicalcric
03-30-2011, 04:41
Land of the not-so-free anymore.
Common sense is so uncommon anymore that it should be a super-power...
Crip
I'm willing to bet that the pole was in the road R/W so it could be removed by the DOT. How the DOT went about it is another story.
Solution - but not for the one who complained - is get the roll out hoops. Done playing roll it into the driveway or yard.
While it appears the couple in the video lived at the end of a court I'll bet one of the hoops on a major street was what caused the complaint. Some kids these days are not as polite about moving out of the way to let a car pass as they were in the good old days.
These days I've driven up on a street game, came to a complete stop while they finish the drive to the hoop, and then have to wait for the sullen looks, a few spits on the pavement and then the slow - to cool for school - saunter to the edge of the road. That kind of activity every time a person comes in or out of their neighborhood could cause someone to complain to officials.
Same kids who walk three or four abreast down the middle of the street and wait to move until you've had to stop.
(fm Pete) While it appears the couple in the video lived at the end of a court I'll bet one of the hoops on a major street was what caused the complaint. Some kids these days are not as polite about moving out of the way to let a car pass as they were in the good old days.
Sir, I agree with the argument that we're only hearing one side of the argument, that a lot can be hidden by video editing, and agree that the DOT persons toted away a good number of goal posts before they got to the end of the street.
Still, I can't support the downright lie the officer relayed to them about putting the pole on their yard, and I have deep suspicions that those hauled away were destined for salvage and scrap that someone other than the owners made money off the whole deal.
I guess some people are just assholes (pardon my French), whether they work for the Delaware DOT, the Town, or they're arogant to the point of disrespect when they walk like cattle down the street. I'd just like to think the municipalities and constabularies would be better than what was shown. That was shameful behavior.
Anyway, that's just IMHO.
Shame. :mad:
So many important life lessons can be learned through involvement with street basketball.
Bling-bling, saggin' 'n' shit just for starters.
cszakolczai
03-30-2011, 15:19
Shame. :mad:
So many important life lessons can be learned through involvement with street basketball.
Bling-bling, saggin' 'n' shit just for starters.
Thats gotta be the funniest thing I've heard all week.
Anything to get kids these days off the xbox and exercising is good in my book.
The Reaper
03-30-2011, 15:58
Shame. :mad:
So many important life lessons can be learned through involvement with street basketball.
Bling-bling, saggin' 'n' shit just for starters.
Not to mention disrespect, bullying, misogyny, unsportsmanlike conduct, and arrogant behavior.
TR
Not to mention disrespect, bullying, misogyny, unsportsmanlike conduct, and arrogant behavior.
TRIMO, a big "what if" is:
What if The Legend's (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/birdla01.html) back had held up a few more years and Buck (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsma02.html) hadn't contracted HIV? Would their ongoing rivalry and team-oriented styles of play provided an effective counter-point to Jordan's style of play and cultural influence?
(Alternatively, what would have happened had Len Bias not done coke that one time and Grandmama (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsla02.html) had not blown out his back in a dunk contest?)
Maybe it will be
Not to mention disrespect, bullying, misogyny, unsportsmanlike conduct, and arrogant behavior.
TR
Agree, thats how kids should learn. I learned to have thick skin when other kids made fun of me. Everyone had fun made of them. I learned that sometimes a punch in the face is the solution.
I got in one big fight in 10th grade. The fight included a big plate glass window being broken.
I beat the hell out of some kid. Even thou the window only broke because we bumped into it. The story was I thru a kid thru a Window.
No one ever fucked with me thru entire High School. The story of that one fight followed me thru HS. But reality was. I didn't know how to fight, I wasn't violent or never picked on anyone.
In my experience, there is street basketball and then there is just street basketball.
Richard :munchin
In my experience, there is street basketball and then there is just street basketball.
Richard :munchin
Need pics and vid.
Texas_Shooter
03-31-2011, 15:43
Anything to get kids these days off the xbox and exercising is good in my book.
I was gonna say that. DelDOT is now going to contribute to the obesity of the neighborhoods children.
I was gonna say that. DelDOT is now going to contribute to the obesity of the neighborhoods children.
Well, fuck. It's settled, then.
cback0220
03-31-2011, 15:59
Not to mention disrespect, bullying, misogyny, unsportsmanlike conduct, and arrogant behavior.
TR
Not to mention hard work, dedication, respect, determination, team work, and getting kids out of possibly broken homes doing something constructive. All street ball is not bad. How do you think these guys become professionals? Sitting in an Air Conditioned gym running sprints while a coach mentors them along? Not a chance. I played basketball competitively, but learned alot about the game playing "street ball". I put more hours in on the "street" then I ever did at a school or club gym. I see more of the quoted above in a gym on Ft.Bragg than I ever saw playing street ball when I was younger.
Not to mention hard work, dedication, respect, determination, team work, and getting kids out of possibly broken homes doing something constructive. All street ball is not bad. How do you think these guys become professionals? Sitting in an Air Conditioned gym running sprints while a coach mentors them along? Not a chance. I played basketball competitively, but learned alot about the game playing "street ball". I put more hours in on the "street" then I ever did at a school or club gym. I see more of the quoted above in a gym on Ft.Bragg than I ever saw playing street ball when I was younger.
That whole post is bullshit.
The Reaper
03-31-2011, 17:09
Not to mention hard work, dedication, respect, determination, team work, and getting kids out of possibly broken homes doing something constructive. All street ball is not bad. How do you think these guys become professionals? Sitting in an Air Conditioned gym running sprints while a coach mentors them along? Not a chance. I played basketball competitively, but learned alot about the game playing "street ball". I put more hours in on the "street" then I ever did at a school or club gym. I see more of the quoted above in a gym on Ft.Bragg than I ever saw playing street ball when I was younger.
I have seen very few street games displaying those characteristics. Obviously, our experiences differ.
TR
cback0220
04-01-2011, 01:29
I have seen very few street games displaying those characteristics. Obviously, our experiences differ.
TR
How often do you play basketball? I personally still play every weekend. You know maybe yours and Dusty's experience outweighs mine. But I grew up playing "streetball" and still play that way to this day. I am skinny 6 ft tall whiteboy, and have never once had a problem with any of the things you describe where I have regularly played. Ft.Bragg on a Thursday afternoon however is totally different. I would rather play on the "street" with some pick up dudes, then an organized league of shitheads on Ft.Bragg or most city leagues. But hey what do I know, I actually still play and have been around the sport for 16 years.
How often do you play basketball? I personally still play every weekend. You know maybe yours and Dusty's experience outweighs mine. But I grew up playing "streetball" and still play that way to this day. I am skinny 6 ft tall whiteboy, and have never once had a problem with any of the things you describe where I have regularly played. Ft.Bragg on a Thursday afternoon however is totally different. I would rather play on the "street" with some pick up dudes, then an organized league of shitheads on Ft.Bragg or most city leagues. But hey what do I know, I actually still play and have been around the sport for 16 years.
Yack and blab for a year, it's still bullshit. If you don't realize it, you're the one with the problem.
Basketball players are looking for the easy way into pussy, money, respect and notoriety-as a rule-black, white or 8-feet tall Chinee.
So are jockeys.
If you try to piss on my neck, don't tell me it's raining, Bro.
cback0220
04-01-2011, 01:53
Yack and blab for a year, it's still bullshit. If you don't realize it, you're the one with the problem.
Basketball players are looking for the easy way into pussy, money, respect and notoriety-as a rule-black, white or 8-feet tall Chinee.
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If you try to piss on my neck, don't tell me it's raining, Bro.
What problem is that? I like playing pickup basketball with other people on the street? If that is a problem then I guess I have it. Do I think certain people give others a bad rap? Yes that is possible. Do you also allow every SF guy that gets a DUI to allow SF to get a bad rap, or do you still defend SF? It is an extreme example, but come on brother don't act like you aren't out trying to get pussy, money, respect, and notoriety. Those are the reasons most people do everything. I really don't care what you all have to say, because as a young kid from a shit-ass family situation, playing "street-ball" helped me learn alot about respect, team play, and hard work. Maybe I am the abnormal, but I think I turned out ok.
I'm sure in the "Big picture" of things there are many more pick up games of street basket ball that are just fine and friendly - out in suburbia.
But it is also true that a lot of hoops in more urban areas are coming down.
Years ago our church had a basket ball court out back - full court two hoops. It was not fenced and any kids were able to use it. Over time the neighborhood changed and after fights, drug dealing and numerous calls to cops by the neighbors the poles were taken down.
When we built a Fellowship Hall we did include a roll down hoop so the kids can play half court.
Buffalobob
04-01-2011, 05:27
Yack and blab for a year, it's still bullshit. If you don't realize it, you're the one with the problem.
Basketball players are looking for the easy way into pussy, money, respect and notoriety-as a rule-black, white or 8-feet tall Chinee.
Sunday is supposed to be not so rainy so the kids probably will be out playing and I will run you a video and post it. I think they are Jewish and won't be in church so we'll see just how much pussy and money these eleven year old kids are getting.
The Reaper
04-01-2011, 09:37
I think everyone is entitled to an informed opinion, and no two people's experiences will be the same.
Having said that, my son played ball in a local youth league and by the time he was nine, he lost his interest in the game and decided to stop playing because of the wannabe thuggery of some of the other players.
I saw some of the older leagues practicing and playing over the years, and have seen the play at the local community courts. I stand by my statements and accept that you have a different perspective.
My personal belief is that for most kids, 40 hours per week on the court would be better divided with more hours going to educational opportunities and school work. The NBA has what, maybe 300 players making a living playing ball? Play because you love the sport, but do not neglect other aspects of life. You can play ball the rest of your life, but the HS diploma and the opportunites that follow are the basis for how you will live it.
Just my .02, YMMV.
TR
cszakolczai
04-01-2011, 10:31
I played a lot of street ball when I was younger, also a lot of football and street hockey with not the friendliest of kids at first. But I'll say this, with all the bad things you saw and had to endure, the one thing you learned is a perspective of an entirely different group. That and gaining respect of said group in the end just made things all that much better. I feel situations like that really develop people moreso than other areas, such as school. In school you can avoid people and make a group of friends, but on the court/rink you have to rely on those team mates. Especially when you're playing hockey and your teammate can decide whether or not to give you that "hospital pass" or not.
Sunday is supposed to be not so rainy so the kids probably will be out playing and I will run you a video and post it. I think they are Jewish and won't be in church so we'll see just how much pussy and money these eleven year old kids are getting.
What they're learning is how to "get over".
Incidentally, it's as obvious as hell.
Read this thread with curiosity - the differences in life experience make this BB particularly interesting.
It sure is a big world - much bigger when you are 8-11 years old.
Personally, I’ve played tackle football in the street (“…run to the back of the Wildcat and cut across the middle - I’lll hit you if you’re open…” we knew that the car was a Buick, so that went unsaid). The MFer who owned that Wildcat turned out to be a pedophile and a pariah of the neighborhood. Only tagged two older boys - I guess that I was too young - and a bit of wise ass little prick - and somehow instinctively knew he was bad news. We all survived.
Often played softball (the ball didn’t travel as far as a baseball) with the whole neighborhood on a paved cul de sac – with an empty lot at the very end that served as the outfield - the streetlights often extended play but were quite a nuisance when we’d sneak out late at night…damn neighbors could see us and tell our parents.
The snow plow would often pile all the snow from the length of the street (10 feet deep piles at times - at least seemed as much) at the end of the street and we’d build snow caves - multiple rooms - complete with candles and copies of Playboy - clandestinely smuggled from a neighbor’s garage - almost lost a couple of boys in those caves who were in the fort/cave when the plow came fast and furious and collapsed the cave…we all dug like hell and found our buried friends – we were all of 8, 9 and 10 years old. Sometimes, we used these caves as hideouts when we ambushed the sidewalk snow plow with a peppering of snowballs - when we felt particularly creative we made a few ice balls the night before ‘cause they made a louder noise when they hit. Yes, in hindsight we were little assholes - but we were the good kids - I'm hopeful that the statute of limitations has run.
That street also served its purpose for various games of pepper, three flies, pickle, stick ball, wiffle ball tournaments, home run derby, dodge ball, kill the guy with the ball, and smear the queer (my apologies for any offense - this is how we spoke) as well as other boyhood games that interrupted some neighborhood traffic.
The street was key while we were little and the older kids had dominion over the few school fields.
Basketball was almost invariably played in the school yard - winners got to stay on the court all day (Sat) or till dark after school and there were some kids that went on to major college athletic scholarships. There was rudeness, strutting, elbowing, fighting, blood, name calling and yes sportsmanship – all to some varying degrees and at varying times. We little ones learned from the older boys - we thought we were really something when the older boys would ask us to sub in for an older kid (who need a cigarette break) we dutifully learned how to catch the faster pass and make a faster return pass or be summarily ridiculed or worse. It was a badge of honor for us younger ones to be tolerated by the junior high school (and a few high school) studs - got the scars to prove it.
Now, street hockey, that was played on almost all streets (often with regulation size nets made of PVC or galvanized steel trash cans with a broom handle (or extra stick) on top would do - hell a couple of sneakers or sweatshirts would work in a pinch). We dutifully moved out of the way of traffic when required. At one time - you could count on practically every street in the city and suburbs to be used for games of pickup street hockey - this went on through high school - varsity starters and all - we all played in the street during the off season.
I’d like to think that I learned a few constructive things in those days and in the street. I did go on to play in organized leagues but I'd like to think that those varied experiences in the street with no parents supervising taught us many useful things.
Playing in the street was a rite of passage for kids when and where I grew up - the street was also a great place to learn how to lean bottle rockets (and larger) just so along the curb and shoot 'em at our rivals. YMMV, but I like all the differences that we have experienced. Don't get me started on the shingle fights and BB gun wars...later, moved to a farm area for another set of life lessons. After these experiences, three different high schools in three different states was a relative breeze.
This kind of made my blood boil a little.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ZZHGO5sXw&feature=youtu.be
Maybe this is what is meant by "shovel ready jobs."
This kinda makes my blood boil a lot..........:mad:
Big Teddy :munchin
Meeee too Big Teddy!!!!:mad:
A basketball hoop for a young boy in the driveway around where I grew up meant that the parents cared enough to buy it, so little Tony or Joe would be out with his Dad spending quality time.:munchin
Holly
Entire post.TZ--
Please accept my compliments for your well-written post. IMO, it is reminiscent of Mark Twain.
Can you tell us the names of any of the future collegians you encountered?
TZ--
Please accept my appreciation for this spectacular post. IMO, it is reminiscent of Mark Twain.
Can you tell us the names of any of the future collegians you played with/against?
Hey Tony,
Your post was spot on IMHO, and a great addition to this thread topic, which was just discovered by me today!!!:lifter
Am glad to have read your post, and thank you for being so candid, and telling it like it is. Too many times in this world, folks spout off without an inkling of what the hell they are talking about, so it was nice to read your story!;)
Holly
Nostalgia notwithstanding, basketball now connotes a fucked up way of life.
Sports in general have been softly criminilized to the point that most of the inherent honor has disappeared.
The erasure of integrity in this Country is reflected in pro sports-and big time-with basketball.
Deny that, and you're a slack-mouthed idiot.
I'm not jabberjawing about the hoop stuck up over the garage 40 fucking years ago.
Nostalgia notwithstanding, basketball now connotes a fucked up way of life.
Sports in general have been softly criminilized to the point that most of the inherent honor has disappeared.
The erasure of integrity in this Country is reflected in pro sports-and big time-with basketball.
Deny that, and you're a slack-mouthed idiot.
I'm not jabberjawing about the hoop stuck up over the garage 40 fucking years ago.
A great point Dusty. Thankfully, there are still real American families with "hoops" in the driveway so Father and son/daughter can talk a bit, without all of the "infestation" of criminal ideas, IMHO.
My brothers' both have 'em in their driveways, and they work....so far, so good.:munchin
Holly
There are different contexts and different elements involved. Having said that and after watching the video, I have a hard time believing a crippled white dude from Vermont has a nine-year old daughter who is a thug.
Hey Tony,
Your post was spot on IMHO, and a great addition to this thread topic, which was just discovered by me today!!!:lifter
Am glad to have read your post, and thank you for being so candid, and telling it like it is. Too many times in this world, folks spout off without an inkling of what the hell they are talking about, so it was nice to read your story!;)
Holly
Thanks Holly - I'd like to think that kids can still play in the street - the original post was about a kid's hoop at the end of a cul de sac.
I hear Dusty about the pros.
I just hope that kids can still play sports in the street and not always have to be organized - there are some benefits.
I find no fault with any of you guys.
Again, I'm failing to convey my point, because I'm old and haven't adapted to the changes in society.
The nearest basketball hoop from my house is about 11 miles away.
I don't teach my grandkids or my nephews and my neice to throw a ball into a basket-orans can be trained to do that.
I teach them how to shoot well, fish, hunt, grow shit-stuff like that.
Basketball stars aren't legitimate heroes, IMO.
Now, a hoop in the driveway-is that so bad?
Yeah. Why start on it? It connotes a fucked-up lifestyle.
And then, there is this: The Great Santini (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06KmezV_1ns)
Pat
MLB is trying to recruit Black ball players. The league is under 30% black. Why you ask.
You can put up hoops anywhere. But a Baseball league. Takes not only money. It takes family and community involvement. Not much of that going on in the inner Cities.
I been involved with Pee Wee basketball. The kids wanting to show their ass and act like thugs drove all the rest away. Worst part. Their parents would cheer them on.
What Dusty said.
mark46th
04-02-2011, 09:44
KG- Are the Peewee's Tatting up?
PedOncoDoc
04-02-2011, 14:06
KG- Are the Peewee's Tatting up?
The lack of pink font was appropriate here. I've seen a few youngin's for whom the parents had gotten tattoo's. Sad but true...