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Has anyone read this book? It was written by Robb Wolf, and I know several guys in 3/20th that were doing the diet (Paleo) in Afghanistan while I was there and they had nothing but good things to say about it.
Thanks in advance
Yes and I also agree it is great. I gave the book to my dad for Christmas. He is 67 and has been battling diabetes for years. Since Christmas he has dropped from 245 to 222 and his blood sugar has stabilized and he is off all of his medication.
Check out the website here: http://robbwolf.com/
I recommend reading the quick start guides. If you want to get the book go for it for the in-depth science behind it all. Pretty interesting.
Is this related to the Caveman Diet?
Leozinho
03-23-2011, 18:13
Is this related to the Caveman Diet?
Yes. Caveman/Paleo/Primal. Sometimes used interchangeably (though I think 'caveman' may not be the preferred nomenclature among it's proponents.)
I've followed Mark Sisson's Primal Blueprint and like it. I sometimes stray, as I find it hard not to eat bread or tortillas occasionally, but I always come back to it.
I haven't read Robb Wolf's book, but I understand Primal Blueprint is more accessible. Primal Blueprint is also more than just nutrition.
BigJimCalhoun
03-23-2011, 21:37
I listen to the podcasts from Robb Wolf.
Much of the paleo diet is avoiding dairy, legumes and grains. I tend to follow the Weston A. Price diet which is similar except major differences are:
Raw unpasturized dairy is ok
grains and legumes that have been soaked/sprouted are ok.
Aside from that, it is very similar. Both are not afraid of saturated fats and though paleo/weston a price differ, compared to everything else, they are 95% in alignment.
After listening the podcasts from Robb, I found he is not the zealot that I thought he was. In episode #69, he did not disagree with the doctor promoting raw mik and he himself eats out a few times a week and may have beans with Mexican.
Loren Cordain was whom Robb studied under at CSU. Loren was on another podcast and recomended striving for 18 out of 21 meals/week paleo. I guess my point is two of the best known voices in the paleo movement are not unreasonable.
I have been doing the Weston A Price/Paleo now for 1.5 months and love it.
Also check out westonaprice.org.
dr. mabuse
03-23-2011, 22:11
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My wife talked me into trying the "Gorilla Diet" for about 6 weeks.
I did lose weight, but I attribute that to the fact that it's such a hassle to snatch an ape from our zoo, they take a long time to dress out, and the meat tastes like bananas.
I listen to the podcasts from Robb Wolf.
Much of the paleo diet is avoiding dairy, legumes and grains. I tend to follow the Weston A. Price diet which is similar except major differences are:
Raw unpasturized dairy is ok
grains and legumes that have been soaked/sprouted are ok.
Aside from that, it is very similar. Both are not afraid of saturated fats and though paleo/weston a price differ, compared to everything else, they are 95% in alignment.
After listening the podcasts from Robb, I found he is not the zealot that I thought he was. In episode #69, he did not disagree with the doctor promoting raw mik and he himself eats out a few times a week and may have beans with Mexican.
Loren Cordain was whom Robb studied under at CSU. Loren was on another podcast and recomended striving for 18 out of 21 meals/week paleo. I guess my point is two of the best known voices in the paleo movement are not unreasonable.
I have been doing the Weston A Price/Paleo now for 1.5 months and love it.
Also check out westonaprice.org.
Robb has strayed away from Loren Cordain's overly strict Paleo principles (which I think is a good thing) mostly because of Cordain's refusal to look at the saturated fat issue. One thing to keep in mind is that 99% of the things that Mark Sisson/Robb Wolf/Cordain base their diets on is derived from observational studies, which look at correlations of diet and lack of disease based on observation or historical accounts of hunter gatherers. Correlation shouldn't be misconstrued with causation, so some may view these studies with a fair amount of skepticism. Weston A. Price (WAP) did similar investigations (he was a dentist, originally looking at why hunter gatherers didn't have the same dental issues as "civilized" westerners), only he expanded and looked at groups like the Maasai (who consume large quantities of raw dairy) and some other groups that consumed sprouted grains. Personally, I like the WAP approach, mostly because cheese and milk are damn good.
If you really want to get into the scientific parts of the diet, check out Mat Lalonde, he is an organic chemist who has been looking at why the "paleo" diet actually works using more rigorous analytical methods. Robb Wolf has him on one of his podcasts, or you can get an 8 hour lecture that Mat did @ Crossfit Academy of Lions (http://academyoflions.com/events/mat-lalonde-ph-d/)
Unfortunately, I see Paleo going the route of many Crossfitters- just another "thing" that makes them better than everyone else. That's my $0.02, YMMV.
99% of people that I know who do crossfit training follow this diet. I've heard much about the benefits of both. Maybe I'll give them a try simultaneously.
mark46th
03-24-2011, 08:18
I lost 80 pounds a couple of years ago. It's all about calories in. You can eat anything you want just don't eat a lot of it. Now I just make sure I get enough vitamins and minerals.
As my doctor said," You would be surprised at how little a human body can get by on."
greenberetTFS
03-24-2011, 11:11
My wife talked me into trying the "Gorilla Diet" for about 6 weeks.
I did lose weight, but I attribute that to the fact that it's such a hassle to snatch an ape from our zoo, they take a long time to dress out, and the meat tastes like bananas.
Dozer told me it tastes like chicken...........:rolleyes:;):eek:
Big Teddy :munchin
This is very similar to Mark Sisson's "Primal Blueprint". I've been doing it for several months now and feel better than I have in a long time. Mark's website is www.marksdailyapple.com.
Very interesting stuff.
Thank you all for the replys and info on this subject, I'm really looking into this way of life.
If interested in the physiological mechanisms involved and the evolutionary rationale behind the diet, please see the essay attached to this post.
Hammock
Ditto. Been reading up since the thread began. I quit smoking a month ago and with my poor eating habits I have to make a change.
Practice a coupla these:
http://www.tejastrails.com/Rocky.html
Run this:
http://www.badwater.com/route/index.html
I looked into it but Mastadon meat and Dodo eggs are so expensive here at the Whole Foods and I can't stomach the Gorilla meat although I could always use the K from the bananas :p ...so I just decided to stick with moderation, avoiding as many processed foods as reasonably possible, and exercising [bootcamp focused on the 3Cs (cardio, core, cross-tng) 0530-0630 Mo, We, Fr and exercise bicycle for 1 hour Tu, Th, Sa].
Listened to this on NPR - pretty interesting.
How Western Diets Are Making The World Sick
In a conversation on Fresh Air, Kevin Patterson, MD, tells Terry Gross that the effects of urbanization are making people everywhere in the world both fatter and sicker.
http://www.npr.org/2011/03/24/132745785/how-western-diets-are-making-the-world-sick?ps=cprs
Richard :munchin
I looked into it but Mastadon meat and Dodo eggs are so expensive here at the Whole Foods and I can't stomach the Gorilla meat although I could always use the K from the bananas :p ...so I just decided to stick with moderation, avoiding as many processed foods as reasonably possible, and exercising [bootcamp focused on the 3Cs (cardio, core, cross-tng) 0530-0630 Mo, We, Fr and exercise bicycle for 1 hour Tu, Th, Sa].
Listened to this on NPR - pretty interesting.
How Western Diets Are Making The World Sick
In a conversation on Fresh Air, Kevin Patterson, MD, tells Terry Gross that the effects of urbanization are making people everywhere in the world both fatter and sicker.
http://www.npr.org/2011/03/24/132745785/how-western-diets-are-making-the-world-sick?ps=cprs
Richard :munchin
Nails it. Hard work will burn that shit off, but...
mark46th
03-25-2011, 07:56
Islam has Al Qaeda, the Western World has McDonald's, Taco Bell, KFC and Domino's ... We shall conquer the world through fast food...
BigJimCalhoun
03-26-2011, 09:14
Robb has strayed away from Loren Cordain's overly strict Paleo principles (which I think is a good thing) mostly because of Cordain's refusal to look at the saturated fat issue. One thing to keep in mind is that 99% of the things that Mark Sisson/Robb Wolf/Cordain base their diets on is derived from observational studies, which look at correlations of diet and lack of disease based on observation or historical accounts of hunter gatherers. Correlation shouldn't be misconstrued with causation, so some may view these studies with a fair amount of skepticism. Weston A. Price (WAP) did similar investigations (he was a dentist, originally looking at why hunter gatherers didn't have the same dental issues as "civilized" westerners), only he expanded and looked at groups like the Maasai (who consume large quantities of raw dairy) and some other groups that consumed sprouted grains. Personally, I like the WAP approach, mostly because cheese and milk are damn good.
If you really want to get into the scientific parts of the diet, check out Mat Lalonde, he is an organic chemist who has been looking at why the "paleo" diet actually works using more rigorous analytical methods. Robb Wolf has him on one of his podcasts, or you can get an 8 hour lecture that Mat did @ Crossfit Academy of Lions (http://academyoflions.com/events/mat-lalonde-ph-d/)
Unfortunately, I see Paleo going the route of many Crossfitters- just another "thing" that makes them better than everyone else. That's my $0.02, YMMV.
I have seen the podcasts from Matt somewhere, if not on the RobbWoff one then on the LivinLaVidaLowCarb podcast. I have not listened yet.
I concur with your comment about crossfit. I has posted elsewhere that there is a lot of "group think" in that group. I was suprised to here the podcast from Robb (#69) where he did not disagree with the doctor talking about raw milk. Having done crossfit for a while, I tend to thing some in that movement are really cultish.
Cordain was on another podcast (livinthevidalowcarb) where he has restated his opinion about saturated fat. He said something to the effect of, "if you killed an elk, he would recommend you eat all the elk including the fat". He goes on to talk about the difference between saturated fat from grass fed animals versus industial-farmed animals. I tend to agree with that.
The Weston A Price / Paleo diet makes me feel really good. We buy sprouted grain bread or ideally make our own from our own sprouter grain. We get the fresh eggs from the farm, the raw milk, the grass-fed beef, etc. My wife is a chapter leader for Weston A. Price
Next up on our transition is "liver". Liver is really healthy and will take some getting used to.
:D:D:D "Sprout"?
Fuck, just kill something, dress it out and broil it.
You wanna get all "paleo", then skin it with a piece of fucking flint. :D
The Creepy One
03-26-2011, 10:32
:D:D:D "Sprout"?
Fuck, just kill something, dress it out and broil it.
You wanna get all "paleo", then skin it with a piece of fucking flint. :D
I'll admit that the idea of being able to run around naked and carry a club has a certain appeal. . .
I'll admit that the idea of being able to run around naked and carry a club has a certain appeal. . .
Roger that. Anything else is so meso...
:D:D:D "Sprout"?
Fuck, just kill something, dress it out and broil it.
You wanna get all "paleo", then skin it with a piece of fucking flint. :D
That Sir is F#$king classic.
BigJimCalhoun
03-26-2011, 16:32
:D:D "Sprout"?
Fuck, just kill something, dress it out and broil it.
You wanna get all "paleo", then skin it with a piece of fucking flint. :D
Sprouting is for the grains :D
http://westonaprice.org/modern-foods/572-wheaty-indiscretions?qh=YToxOntpOjA7czo5OiJzcHJvdXRpbmciO 30%3D
I concur with your comment about crossfit. I has posted elsewhere that there is a lot of "group think" in that group. I was suprised to here the podcast from Robb (#69) where he did not disagree with the doctor talking about raw milk. Having done crossfit for a while, I tend to thing some in that movement are really cultish.
This is, unfortunately, very true. In fact, Robb Wolf is PNG from the CrossFit HQ team due to his refusal to go along with the group think mentality regarding the Zone diet. This led to him being removed as the CrossFit Nutrition guy. Here's a link to the story told from his point of view.... No word was ever put out by HQ or Dave Castro, and several other seminar attendees corroborated Robb's account.
http://robbwolf.com/2009/11/24/the-black-box-summit-or-how-i-got-fired-from-the-crossfit-nutrition-certification/
My grandmother used to make liver and onions on a regular basis when I was a kid from calf liver. Those memories make my mouth water! Cordain has changed his tune about saturated fat. If you can find an early edition of the Paleo Diet he tries to make the case that paleolithic man ate the lean cuts only, despite lots of evidence that they ate the fatty organs first, often within minutes of finding the kill. Makes sense from a survival perspective.
I haven't had raw milk since I was a kid, will try to hunt some down. Guess that is one of the benefits of living in an area where people still milked their own cows.
Robb Wolf got a raw deal from Crossfit, but in all reality that led to him finding his own way and being way more successful outside the CF community. Now Crossfit has that "uber-scientist" Barry Sears at the nutrition helm, although most people still request Robb, Mat Lalonde or Diane Sanfillippo.
I lost 80 pounds a couple of years ago. It's all about calories in. You can eat anything you want just don't eat a lot of it. Now I just make sure I get enough vitamins and minerals.
As my doctor said," You would be surprised at how little a human body can get by on."
I did the 7500lb weight loss diet...... Happens when your HHG suddenly go up in smoke in a Gov't warehouse. definitely don't recommend that program.
Islam has Al Qaeda, the Western World has McDonald's, Taco Bell, KFC and Domino's ... We shall conquer the world through fast food...
Yes, and also Twitter, the utility of which I still don't understand, but seems to have third world despots scared silly. A Big Mac and a twitter account attack the heart and mind?
perdurabo
03-29-2011, 11:02
I don't strictly follow a Paleo diet per say, but if it comes in a box or plastic bag, I try to avoid it. That plus lots of meat. I eat lots of meat, especially beef of all cuts, yet my cholesterol levels are rock bottom. Makes one think.
If you can find an early edition of the Paleo Diet he tries to make the case that paleolithic man ate the lean cuts only, despite lots of evidence that they ate the fatty organs first, often within minutes of finding the kill. Makes sense from a survival perspective.
"Finding" the kill? Might make sense to a fucking buzzard.
I'll guarantee you none of my ancestors went looking around for shit to eat that something else killed...:D
The Reaper
03-29-2011, 11:31
What was the life expectancy of Paleo man?
TR
What was the life expectancy of Paleo man?
TR
I heard that the ones who survived getting knifed over poontang and chow could live all the way into their early thirties, provided they found enough liver and onions (washed down with raw milk).
perdurabo
03-29-2011, 11:54
What was the life expectancy of Paleo man?
TR
Pretty low. As I recall, scientists said they were lucky if they made it into their 30s. My understanding is that diet didn't play a significant part in their expectancy, rather infections (no antibiotics), disease, & dental decay/loss did.
Pretty low. As I recall, scientists said they were lucky if they made it into their 30s. My understanding is that diet didn't play a significant part in their expectancy, rather infections (no antibiotics), disease, & dental decay/loss did.
That may have been a rhetorical question, bro.
ZonieDiver
03-29-2011, 14:17
Pretty low. As I recall, scientists said they were lucky if they made it into their 30s. My understanding is that diet didn't play a significant part in their expectancy, rather infections (no antibiotics), disease, & dental decay/loss did.
Sons of bitches shoulda flossed! :D
Well, there was the odd shaggy beast or three................
Sometimes you're the hunter and sometimes you're lunch.
perdurabo
03-29-2011, 16:24
That may have been a rhetorical question, bro.
Yeah, yeah, when I initially read TR's post and thought of unladen swallows. I guess my point was that I don't think their diet played a significant part in their comparatively short life expectancy, except perhaps in instances of famine.
I'm sure dinosaur rodeos killed quite a few men, as well. :lifter
JustaSupportGuy
03-31-2011, 17:24
I picked up [I]The Paleo Diet Cookbook[I] today. Had a chance to brows through it and found some great looking meals. Going to build a meal-plan this weekend and go do some shopping.
I'm also combining this with RAW PT v.3.0. Hoping to see some great results.:lifter
I picked up [I]The Paleo Diet Cookbook[I] today. Had a chance to brows through it and found some great looking meals. Going to build a meal-plan this weekend and go do some shopping.
I'm also combining this with RAW PT v.3.0. Hoping to see some great results.:lifter
:D You're vogue-ing.
JustaSupportGuy
03-31-2011, 17:48
@Dusty
Typically not a trendy guy. Standard army pt has maintained me for the past few years, but lately I've noticed that its not adequate enough and I'm putting on a few unwanted pounds. Figured it was time to step-up my game, stop maintaining and start exceeding.
I've been following posts on here about the "Primal Blueprint" and Paleo Diet for a couple weeks and decided I have nothing to lose but a few pounds:p
After reading RAW PT, its was a no brainer to combine it with a healthier dietplan and a little new found motivation to physically be a better/complete soldier and as a *bonus* get back into beach body mode:lifter
@Dusty
Typically not a trendy guy. Standard army pt has maintained me for the past few years, but lately I've noticed that its not adequate enough and I'm putting on a few unwanted pounds. Figured it was time to step-up my game, stop maintaining and start exceeding.
I've been following posts on here about the "Primal Blueprint" and Paleo Diet for a couple weeks and decided I have nothing to lose but a few pounds:p
After reading RAW PT, its was a no brainer to combine it with a healthier dietplan and a little new found motivation to physically be a better/complete soldier and as a *bonus* get back into beach body mode:lifter
I don't see a problem with it.
You can vogue.
500 Proof
04-11-2011, 14:14
What was the life expectancy of Paleo man?
TR
Apparently not very long. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ramBFRt1Uzk
@Dusty
Typically not a trendy guy. Standard army pt has maintained me for the past few years, but lately I've noticed that its not adequate enough and I'm putting on a few unwanted pounds. Figured it was time to step-up my game, stop maintaining and start exceeding.
I've been following posts on here about the "Primal Blueprint" and Paleo Diet for a couple weeks and decided I have nothing to lose but a few pounds:p
After reading RAW PT, its was a no brainer to combine it with a healthier dietplan and a little new found motivation to physically be a better/complete soldier and as a *bonus* get back into beach body mode:lifter
Perhaps also worth looking at is the Warrior Diet that I believe Crip (http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=362178) and some others on here have been using for a while to great effect. I actually learned about it May '09 from the thread (http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12788) NDD started in 2006. I've been on it since and haven't looked back.
Here's one of the quick links on it previously posted by Dusty (http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=362214&postcount=38):
http://www.cbass.com/warrior_diet.htm
John_Chrichton
04-28-2011, 22:53
The side of the "paleo diet" not many CrossFiters like to talk about. (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/04/0410_030410_cannibal.html)
JustaSupportGuy
04-29-2011, 13:31
Its been about a month now and I've worked really hard sticking to the Paleo Diet. It has been great, the meals in the cookbook are awesome and I've lost about 15lbs, have a ton more energy (at work and in the gym) and sleep like a rock. This is deffinitely a much needed lifestyle change for me. :lifter
TimberWolf82
07-25-2011, 10:36
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Surgicalcric
07-25-2011, 11:22
My question is how hard will it be to maintain a Paleo Diet or even a modified Paleo Diet while going through OSUT, Airborne etc?
Eat what you are given at OSUT/BAC and stop worrying about your Paleo diet. While it may be sustainable for the everyday athlete who has control over his environment it is not meant for a soldier, especially one in SOF/SF.
TimberWolf82
07-25-2011, 11:47
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ObliqueApproach
07-25-2011, 12:01
Looked around and I couldn't find anything about this. I am an 18X getting ready to ship to OSUT in September, I have been Paleo for about 1 1/2 years and have nothing but great things to say about it. I have been structuring my current diet from the book "The Paleo Diet for Athletes: A Nutritional Formula for Peak Athletic Performance " and have had amazing results in both muscle development and recovery time between workouts. My question is how hard will it be to maintain a Paleo Diet or even a modified Paleo Diet while going through OSUT, Airborne etc.? Obviously I know there won't be an option for Grass-fed beef & free range chicken but is it possible to maintain this type of a diet to some degree?
To start with, I can guarantee you that your DS at Sand Hill won't give two hoots in hell about your Paleo diet. It would seem to me that if you were training for one specific athetic event, be it Triathalon, 100 meter dash, marathon, power lifting, or anything else, then these fad/vogue/gucci diets, supplements, and training programs are great, as they are tailored for those events. But we are talking about the United States Army here and the US Army Special Forces, specifically. I have never heard of an athletic event or team requiring you to shoot, move, and communicate in all kinds of nasty environments with badguys trying to kill you and still worry about having a bloody free range chicken in your buttpack. Paleolithic Man was a subsistence hunter/gatherer. If he could catch it, pick it, or find it lying on the ground, then he ate it. Otherwise he went hungry. Sounds a lot like a soldier in my book! When you are burning 6-8000 calories a day on 2-4 hours sleep, those blueberry pancakes, covered in melted butter, and syrup in the Dahlonega chow hall sure taste good! After a 6 mile train track ruck run at Campbell, who gives a rats ass what's in the deep fried French toast, what chicken layed the half dozen eggs, or how greasy the bacon is? We just wanted lots of it, washed down with grounds-in Army coffee from the big pot! I would be willing to bet that the US Army has spent more time and money researching anatomy and physiology of soldiers than all of the civilian athletic institutions combined. Read A Soldiers Load by S.L.A. Marshall for starters. Try cramming enough calories in a bunch of plastic bags that can survive heat, cold, and NBC environments and still keep a soldier driving on to the Ranger objective. In SF you are going to have far more to worry about than whether the damn cow ate grass, genetically modified corn, or dogshit! Who cares?
Try the US Army Sea Food diet......if you see it, eat it! End of rant!
TimberWolf82
07-25-2011, 12:25
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The Reaper
07-25-2011, 16:33
Be sure to tell your cadre at SFAS to give you the "Paleo" meals from the MREs.
He'll know what you mean.:rolleyes:
TR
Be sure to tell your cadre at SFAS to give you the "Paleo" meals from the MREs.
He'll know what you mean.:rolleyes:
TR
Yeah, I'm thinking you'll get lots of t-bones.
Well done I'm sure......:lifter