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I just heard Newt Gingrich is looking at running in 2012. I like him. I think his age is going to turn off younger voters thou.
I just heard Newt Gingrich is looking at running in 2012. I like him. I think his age is going to turn off younger voters thou.
His marriage activities for some, sitting on the Sofa with Nancy for some more, NY-23 (?) for others, etc, etc........
Newt comes with a lot of baggage of his own making he'll have to overcome.
But once again it's the Republican Primary Process that does him in. Running the Lib states up front splits the conservative vote allowing the "moderate" to advance.
Gee, I guess Newt could run as the moderate after all..........
Roguish Lawyer
03-05-2011, 08:02
I like Newt a lot but I question his ability to raise enough money to win.
I can see him as a very viable VP, to a younger more connected Lady... :cool:
I can see him as a very viable VP, to a younger more connected Lady... :cool:
Ann Coulter's running?:D
Ann Coulter's running?:D
I hope not,, With my arthritis, I'd never be able to catch her... :D
ZonieDiver
03-05-2011, 09:03
I didn't know Newts ran. I thought they slithered! :D
MOO...but by my calculations...
SP + NG = BHO (2012-2016)
...a formula I'm not too crazy about marketing.
Richard :munchin
MOO...but by my calculations...
SP + NG = BHO (2012-2016)
...a formula I'm not too crazy about marketing.
Richard :munchin
Hey, did you pick Carter for two terms, as well?
The Reaper
03-05-2011, 09:51
That is the problem.
Obama can be beaten, but the people the Republicans are likely to run against him cannot do it.
Right or wrong, Palin and Gingrich have both been rendered unelectable by the MSM.
Agree that the presidential primary system is rigged toward the "moderate" RINO brands of Republican candidates. Of course, you have to ask yourself how conservative can your candidate be and still get elected nationally? The numbers do not look good.
We will probably end up with another moderate old white guy for election cannon fodder, like Dole and McCain were.
TR
Buffalobob
03-05-2011, 10:04
Now that the Heart Attack Burger spokesman has fallen over with a heart attack Newt should try out for his job. He certainly is pudgy enough to fit right in and anybody who has made a career of cheating and lying to wives would be good as a salesperson for lard fried taters.
Maybe him and The Donald can run be running mates.
That is the problem.
Obama can be beaten, but the people the Republicans are likely to run against him cannot do it.
Right or wrong, Palin and Gingrich have both been rendered unelectable by the MSM.
Agree that the presidential primary system is rigged toward the "moderate" RINO brands of Republican candidates. Of course, you have to ask yourself how conservative can your candidate be and still get elected nationally? The numbers do not look good.
We will probably end up with another moderate old white guy for election cannon fodder, like Dole and McCain were.
TR
There was an article a couple days ago where Christie stated flatly that he could win. Whether he could or not, it was a breath of fresh air to me.
I think Gingrich falls right in the Dole and McCain category, as well.
It's time to cut the losers loose. Palin has become a joke to much of the Country, but out of a lineup including West, Rubio, Walker and Christie, we'll get the majority fired up. He just better be attractive, or the chicks won't vote for him.
I don't see any possibility of Obama improving his approval numbers to the point of re-election, personally.
MOO...but by my calculations...
SP + NG = BHO (2012-2016)
...a formula I'm not too crazy about marketing.
Richard :munchin
I'm with you on that one. Not sure I could vote for either of them. Certainly not Newt. He is a hypocrit of the highest form.
I'm with you on that one. Not sure I could vote for either of them. Certainly not Newt. He is a hypocrit of the highest form.
Besides, he's starting to look a little dumpy, too-right?
:D
mark46th
03-05-2011, 10:41
Taking all the previous comments in mind, to paraphrase William F. Buckley, Jr., we must nominate the most electable conservative.
longrange1947
03-05-2011, 14:27
Newt is unelectable. Period.
Sarah has made herself unelectable. Period
Both however, could help someone beat the idiot that is there now, but if they run then teh Idiot wins.
My 2 cents. :munchin
CloseDanger
03-05-2011, 15:32
He could win any debate with Obama. Clean as they come. A business man whom is also eloquent. I have confidence in him.
Surf n Turf
03-05-2011, 15:35
As others have said, Newt is unelectable – a condition he brought upon himself.
That being said, he is the most articulate of all the current Republican candidates, and would thrash the current occupant of the White House in any debate. -
I can’t see my voting for:
Romney, (Romney-care, shoe salesman)
Palin – (Destroyed by the media, could be a powerful force in nominating a candidate)
Huckabee, (RINO and waffle king. )
David Petraeus- (Already has a job, NE Republican (RINO) Does he even want to run?)
Bobby Jindal – (Already has a full time job, Not yet ready for prime time)
Rudolph Giuliani (a RINO in RINO clothing, and has a past equal to Gingrich)
Jeb Bush ( Not another Bush – I have already been let down by the last TWO)
Rick Santorum (Under-appreciated, but stuck with a “FAR" right label, No Chance)
Pawlenty (co-chair McCain committee)
Barbour – (Southern version of McCain)
Potential Candidates I am interested in:
Jim Demint (Already has a job, Don’t think he could beat Øbama)
Bob McDonnell – Governor of Virginia
Rick Scott Governor of Florida,
John Kasich – Governor of Ohio, Former Congressman / Budget Chairman
Jon Huntsman (Ambassador to China, Governor of Utah)
SnT
He could win any debate with Obama. Clean as they come. A business man whom is also eloquent. I have confidence in him.
And so well-known.
craigepo
03-05-2011, 16:10
After the 1994 coming of Newt and the Contract with America, Gingrich basically fell of the face of the earth. The rumor was that Larry Flynt(of Hustler fame) had offered $1 million for someone to come forward with provable information that would run Newt out of politics. Rumor was, that person was found, and subsequently Gingrich got out of politics for a while. True or not, I don't see him getting around his history and winning a nationwide race. I find this unfortunate, because he is rather articulate.
Personally, I like to see a former Governor at the President job. I like to see somebody there that knows how to govern, as opposed to a legislator, who has a history of talking only(see generally, B. Hussein Obama).
Additionally, to win a presidential race, a candidate must be able to win independents in every region. Also, the candidate must be able to energize the conservatives to a point where they will: (a) donate a lot of money; and (b) get out and work. The antithesis of this was John McCain. Will have to be, at a minimum, pro-business, pro-small government, pro-gun and anti-abortion.
Being able to deliver a key swing state wouldn't hurt.
I have heard some early groundswell for Mitch Daniels from Indiana; not real sexy but a hell of a governor. Haley Barbour is a good governor, but I don't see him catching many independents in the northeast or west. Rick Perry of Texas has a decent record, and a Republican absolutely must have Texas or the game is over before it begins.
Personally, I like to see a former Governor at the President job. I like to see somebody there that knows how to govern, as opposed to a legislator, who has a history of talking only(see generally, B. Hussein Obama).
Roger that. Or Sherrif Joe.
With a modicum of impulse control, Mr. Gingrich could have been a titan on the American political landscape. (Where would America be if both he and President Clinton had been able to keep it in their pants?)
MOO, before the political right starts talking about who might get the GOP nomination in 2012, the GOP needs to redefine/refine its relationship with the TPM. And before that can happen, the TPM needs to refine the perception of its critics. (Yes, I'm arguing that this burden falls to the TPM and its supporters, not the MSM.)
Jon Huntsman (Ambassador to China, Governor of Utah)
I've meet Ambassador Huntsman last year and Newt Gingrich last week.
Jon Huntsman is bright, polished, and up to this point untainted. He delivered the commencement address at Penn flawlessly. Gingrich spoke here last week, the young republicans had a pre speech meet and greet. It lasted about 15 minutes, he could not have been more genuine and took the time so that everyone (20+) had an individual photo taken with him.
I hung towards the rear, watched him interact and field some question from the students, he was direct and to the point. In the auditorium he was captivating. His command of the issues, insight, and ideas were spot on; seated in the second row you could sense his at ease demeanor. He said one thing that struck home, and which may indicate his future position on immigration, he was not responding to a question concerning the same, rather he was speaking of the nation and the responsibility each generation has to insure the future, that we are always one generation away from losing the freedoms we know, and in that he mentioned/asked rhetorically, that people come here to work, and in doing so create a life here that embraces our values.
He knows who he is, when questioned by several students in the Q & A portion of his evening at Penn, they drilled him, check out YouTube of the event. It’s interesting how he responded. Quite nibble on his toes. You’ll also be surprised by the warm reception he received.
And this whole personal integrity façade that is expected ended with FDR banging his Secretary, DDE his long time aide, Kennedy anything that walked, etc, etc ,etc, etc ,.
At any rate, if Amb. Huntsman runs it’s a slam dunk, if Newt runs I will send a few dollars and 1 vote his way.
DDE his long time aide....A historical untruth insisted Eisenhower's biographer, Stephen E. Ambrose. (And Ambrose would never ever have made up anything.)
IMO, conservatives who stress family values and then break the vows of matrimony will never get the kind of "pass" liberals do.
IMO, conservatives who stress family values and then break the vows of matrimony will never get the kind of "pass" liberals do.
IMO, they shouldn't.
Quite nibble on his toes.
I have a 6 week old Black Lab puppy who is the same way. ;)
At any rate, if Amb. Huntsman runs it’s a slam dunk,...
I don't see it - he's Mormon and, like Mitt Romney, that issue is a real polarizing barrier to mainstream electorate acceptance in a Presidential-level election.
Richard :munchin
he's Mormon and, like Mitt Romney, that issue is a real polarizing barrier to mainstream electorate acceptance in a Presidential-level election.
Richard :munchin
Agreed, 100%. IMO that's why the current occupant professes Christianity; "cults" aren't exactly embraced.
So then, we can state that those who are nibble on their toeswill exhibit a propensity to behave like dogs?
So then, we can state that those who are will exhibit a propensity to behave like dogs?
Or Dick Morris' girlfriends.
I cannot help wondering whether this election will be decided (is being decided) in the Middle East. We've seen a sharp move up in oil prices, and such moves have been followed by a recession rather consistently. We have sharp increases in food prices, too.
If the economy were to remain strong through December of this year....maybe March 2012...then I think the possibility of the POTUS holding power for another term is substantial. That said, I am not inclined to see that as likely.
I wonder if we could consider what is likely if unemployment increases to the 10% level and a new recession coupled with high food and fuel prices occurs. Such a scenario might be favorable for a populist - but many of the candidates mentioned above would only serve to make the POTUS look like a populist by comparison. Palin comes closest to giving voice to such sentiments, although I agree that she is not electable.
The next presidential election will be decided by the female vote, just as all have been since feminism began.
The next presidential election will be decided by the female vote, just as all have been since feminism began.
The feminist movement began long before women could vote...even in America.
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
I think Mitt .R and Jindal from LA would make an electable Team. I don't see religion being a Factor any more in presidential elections.
Since I am a supporter of Newt's, "ACT For America," this just came to my email!
Will see what happens...;)
"Dear XXX XXXXXXXXX:
You are one of my closest supporters. So, I wanted to make sure you heard the news. I have decided to explore running for president.
Over the last year I've watched a failure in leadership, and have spent a lot of time thinking and praying about taking the first step. I am writing you to ask for your advice, as Callista and I consider whether or not I should run in 2012.
What I need to do right now is listen to and learn from people all across America. I need to be certain that if I run, my candidacy will have the support it will need to make a positive difference for our nation. However, I can't do it alone. What I am hoping you will do is help me and support me during this exploratory process.
I have asked a lot from you over the years. In return you have humbled me by demonstrating your talent, energy, and financial sacrifice that reflect how deeply you and others like you, care about our nation. You are an indispensable part of helping me decide what to do next, and I have to tell you, I need you now more than ever before. If I run, this will be the single biggest challenge we've ever faced together. So, success depends entirely upon you. I want to hear from you. I need to hear from you. So let me ask you:
1. Would you support my candidacy if I were to run for President?
2. Will you support my exploratory effort with a financial contribution
of $35, $50, $100, or even more at this vitally important early
"Newt Explore 2012" stage today?"
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Peregrino
03-06-2011, 16:17
Over the last year I've watched a failure in leadership, and have spent a lot of time thinking and praying about taking the first step. I am writing you to ask for your advice, as Callista and I consider whether or not I should run in 2012.
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So tell him we agree with (most of) his definition of the problems. If he wants to be part of the solution he needs to step back, find somebody electable, and help with the "king making". He has influence; get him to spend it on somebody electable. And despite his intellect, experience, and conservative credentials, he most assuredly is not electable. The left/MSM would have a field day with him. The last thing we need is a divided party with all the conservatives stripped off in the initial - liberal - primaries. Personally, I'm sick to death of that broken record.
I am betting the same media who compeltely tried to ash over, cover up, and ignore Barack Obama's whole Reverend Wright issue, will go after Romney (if a candidate) over his Mormonism again.
When Mit Romney ran and won the race for Governor how big of an issue was his religion?
When Mit Romney ran and won the race for Governor how big of an issue was his religion?
Doesn't matter. He's a Conservative Mormon. He could be a liberal Mormon and get a pass from the press during a Presidential run-as a matter of fact, he could be an atheist, Bokononist, whatever-but he's Conservative, so it's fuel for scorn from the biased journos.
I think Mitt .R and Jindal from LA would make an electable Team. I don't see religion being a Factor any more in presidential elections.
That ticket might work, Jindal might be a bit green, though at his age he has plenty of time. Romney has significant real life business experience which would likely help with the economy which seems priority one, though maybe it would be better to pair him with a VP with more foreign policy experience. I am a big fan of Condeleeza Rice, that pairing would be extremely balanced and capable, though she seems done with the lime light.
When Mit Romney ran and won the race for Governor how big of an issue was his religion?
With Romney, I think you have to consider:
It was a state and not a national election
It was Massachusetts (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2002/races/ma_gov_11-6.html)
He's associated with 'govt subsidized health care' in MA - a polarizing issue there and nationally
He had lost his previous bid for the Senate and since for the Republican candidacy for POTUS - and if he's branded with the big "L"...:confused:
He was less popular than either McCain or Huckabee (who BTW has been busily gnawing on his leather encased pedal phalanges in public lately)
It was before GB hit the chalk board and coast-to-coast airwaves, bringing a greater focus on the tenets of the LDS church to a broader audience
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
The Reaper
03-07-2011, 17:27
He's a Conservative Mormon.
Is he?
What makes you think that?
TR
Is he?
What makes you think that?
TR
TR - Good point.
Mitt Romney is open to abortion debate and has stated publically that it's a women's decision what she does with her body.
Mitt is a Mormon, as well as Harry Reid, (NV) and Orin Hatch, (UT). I had to look it up, but Mormons worldwide are almost 14M strong, with the majority living in SA and Africa, seems being white, living in UT, WY, ID, AZ, NM, NV, CA, OR, WA, MT, or any other of the western states is no longer the norm.
I'd take a Mormon invasion over Radical Islam anyday. I say let the Mormons take over Somalia and Venezuela while their at it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecbu6PTOjCE&feature=related
If freedom of religion only follows freedom of choosing, freedom of govt oppression, freedom of speech, assembly, then I'm in favor of all the above, as long as it is not Sharia Law, govt control of thought and action found in communism, fasism, etc.
I've had Mormons for neighbors and Mormons for business partners, I've even had, yes, a liberal Mormon for a family member, who has a gay child living in New York teach art history.
Someone tell me, what is a Mormon and how does their religion affect their political decisions? Being that Mormons are worldwide, many who served also in Hitler's Army because they were good Germans, Mormons were also found in the Japanese Army, the Maldives, Tonga, North Africa and many other places around the world.
Kennedy ran, people felt he was un-electable because he was Catholic.
Just my thoughts, I'll be quiet now.
Someone tell me, what is a Mormon and how does their religion affect their political decisions?
Do the research.
Richard :munchin
silentreader
03-08-2011, 00:45
Someone tell me, what is a Mormon and how does their religion affect their political decisions?
Ask, and you shall receive. The Economist recently ran a story addressing just these questions.
(http://www.economist.com/node/18284013?story_id=18284013&fsrc=rss)
Personally, I think that Mormons running for national office do have a problem- the Republican base includes a significant group of conservative Christians who view Mormons as heretics while the Democratic base includes a significant number of people who are uncomfortable with (in their eyes) excessive religious commitment of any type. I do not, however, think that this is an insurmountable problem, as these groups tend to be closer to the wings of American politics than the center. Anyways, I'll be quiet now and let the Economist speak for itself.
THE Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, also known as the Mormon church, is in a tizzy now that not one but two of its members, or “saints”, seem about to vie for the Republican nomination for president of the United States. Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman (see article) both seem determined to try to test the limits of discrimination.
For most of the 181 years since Joseph Smith published the Book of Mormon, such prominent Mormon candidacies for the highest office would have been unthinkable. Mainstream Protestants, and especially evangelicals, have traditionally considered Mormons a devious cult, not quite Christian and just plain wacky.
This distrust keeps peeking through. Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist and another Republican candidate, insinuated just before the Iowa caucus in January 2008 that Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers (Mr Huckabee promptly went on to defeat Mr Romney in that caucus). Last year, when an evangelical Republican in Nevada, Sharron Angle, challenged Harry Reid, a Mormon and a Democrat who is the majority leader of the Senate, her pastor called Mormonism “kooky” and alleged that “Harry Reid’s allegiance is to Salt Lake City,” that Mormons “do illegal things” and that “there’s weirdness going on there”.
Protestants once murmured similar things about the Catholic John Kennedy, with Rome taking the place of Salt Lake City, but have since got over their distrust of papistry. They seem to find Mormonism harder to accept. How plausible is it that a semi-literate man in upstate New York should find golden plates written in “reformed Egyptian” and translate them, while burying his face in his hat, to reveal the tale of a family who left Israel in 600BC and ended up in North America? Then again, to be fair, how plausible are the miracles and resurrection of Jesus?
Mormonism makes many other claims that seem ambitious in the modern world. In 1890 the church banned the polygamy for which it used to be notorious. But Mormons continue to believe, for example, in direct and ongoing divine revelation, which is why the church’s president, currently Thomas Monson, is considered a prophet and his quorum of church leaders are deemed apostles.
Yet in practical matters Mormonism seems well adapted to the modern world, for Mormons are, by many measures, disproportionately successful. Harvard Business School, it is often said, is dominated by the “three Ms” (McKinsey, the military and Mormons). Wall Street and the Central Intelligence Agency love to hire Mormons. And Mormons now make up almost 3% of Congress, even though they are less than 2% of the population.
For this, Mormons may have their austere religious practice to thank. The church has no paid professional clergy, so all boys from an early age learn to become church leaders. Young men (and some women) also tend to go abroad as missionaries, usually after rigorous study of a foreign language (Mr Romney learned French, Mr Huntsman Mandarin Chinese in Taiwan).
Many missionaries become paragons of self-discipline, with their trademark white shirts and ties and a teetotalling, non-smoking, caffeine-free and abstinent Mormon work ethic. That experience—and perhaps the need to cope with repeated ridicule—seems to make many Mormons not only cosmopolitan but also resilient. Many become good salesmen and communicators, or indeed politicians.
Through their faith, Mormons tend to inherit many quintessentially conservative values, above all an attachment to the family. Mormons believe that families remain linked together eternally after death, and that one can even include ancestors into this union by retroactively baptising the dead. This explains why the church maintains probably the world’s most sophisticated genealogical database.
But other aspects of Mormonism have liberal, even socialist, elements. Joseph Smith had an egalitarian vision. The church demands, for example, that Mormons pay 10% of their income as a “tithe” to the church, although argument remains about whether this should be applied to income net of government taxes.
The mixture has created overwhelmingly conservative politics in heavily Mormon states such as Utah and Idaho, but with a pragmatic twist, says Kirk Jowers, a Mormon and the director of the Hinckley Institute of Politics at the University of Utah. It may not be a coincidence that Mr Romney in Massachusetts and Mr Huntsman in Utah made the two biggest state-level efforts to reform health care (Mr Romney’s reform even resembling Barack Obama’s to a striking degree).
The debate on immigration is another example. The author of a harsh state law against illegal immigrants in Arizona, passed last year, is a Mormon. But as Utah began debating its own version, with anti-immigrant rhetoric taking on racist tinges, the state’s overwhelmingly Mormon policy elite formed a “Utah compact”, an agreement to keep the debate civil and empathetic toward all. The church gave this compact a nod of approval, citing the sanctity of families, including those of illegal immigrants, who might be split up by deportations. It is also aware that more than half of Mormons are outside the United States, many in Latin America.
If both the more pious Mr Romney and the more secular Mr Huntsman, who have been personal rivals in the past, run in the primaries, their Mormonism will become an issue again. A few Mormons may even stoke it themselves. For instance, Glenn Beck, an excitable television host, likes to allude to something called The White Horse prophecy, according to which America’s constitution, deemed to be divinely inspired, will one day “hang like a thread” until Mormon leaders rescue it.
But mainstream America may learn to get over its old and unpleasant distrust. The core of Mormon philosophy, says Michael Otterson, the church’s spokesman, is “the idea of self-improvement”. What, after all, could be more American? The church is now waging a large advertising campaign to show the diversity of Mormons in America. “We’re not prepared to be defined by others” any longer, insists Mr Otterson.
Ask, and you shall receive. The Economist recently ran a story addressing just these questions.
(http://www.economist.com/node/18284013?story_id=18284013&fsrc=rss)
Good article. But my question was more global, the article missed the worldwide significance of the organization, what they do with other organizations, etc. In Sudan, 1992, we passed out food from the Catholic Relief Organization, food grown by Deseret Foods, SLC, Utah. Seems the Mormons had the goods, but the Catholics had the distrbution.
Mormon Apostles come from several countries of the free world. Italy, Germany, Japan, Spain. I'm waiting for a Mormon leader to run for President in Mexico, bet a dollar it happens sooner than later.
How will politics change when we have Mormon temples in Egypt and Jordan, or China?
I think its silly that many so called Christians think Mormons are not Christians, but something else. I will continue to view my Mormon neighbors and judge them according to their actions not thier beliefs.
Cloth the Naked, Feed the Hungry, provide to the aflicted, I'll buy that as fruits of their labors.
Sounds Christian to me.
edited to read: This thread started out with Newt running for President. Personally, anyone would be better the BHO, but I fear, no one who has the ability to really perform change would truely want the job. I beleive BHO will be president for another 4 years, things will continue to spiral down, and it will get much worse before we see any real improvement. I could be wrong, but I'm bracing myself for more bad before better.
And then we have Newt...
Newt Gingrich says his passion for his country contributed to his marital infidelity. In an interview posted Wednesday by The Christian Broadcasting Network, Gingrich — who recently converted to Catholicism — said he had sought God's forgiveness for mistakes in his past.
<snip>
The twice-divorced former U.S. House speaker has admitted he had an affair with Callista, a former congressional aide {and his current wife}, while married to his second wife. It happened at the same time he was attacking President Bill Clinton for his relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110309/ap_on_el_ge/us_gingrich2012
And so it goes... :rolleyes:
Richard :munchin
Dozer523
03-09-2011, 22:29
And then we have Newt...
, Gingrich — who recently converted to Catholicism — :rolleyes:
Richard
Ushers will have to keep a close eye on the collection plate, the nuns better watch their habits too.
There goes the neighborhood.
Ushers will have to keep a close eye on the collection plate, the nuns better watch their habits too. There goes the neighborhood.
That "neighborhood's" been going to hell for quite awhile now.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/03/philadelphia_archdiocese_suspe.html
Richard