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BMT (RIP)
12-20-2010, 15:27
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101220/ap_on_re_us/us_gun_sales_reporting_2


BMT

Blitzzz (RIP)
12-20-2010, 21:05
Yeah, I saw this this morning, and am lost for words. I know it's just another incremental step toward a bad bad future. Slight shaving of the 2nd amendment. It just sucks and another example of giving up freedoms for security.

wet dog
12-20-2010, 22:53
Yeah, I saw this this morning, and am lost for words. I know it's just another incremental step toward a bad bad future. Slight shaving of the 2nd amendment. It just sucks and another example of giving up freedoms for security.

Would one have to register a hand made BAR?

Blitzzz (RIP)
12-20-2010, 23:22
I'll take one....

aegisnavy
12-20-2010, 23:24
Hmmmm...let me get this straight. The BATFE wants dealers near the border to report multiple "high power" rifle sales. I see three inevitable results from this MENSA candidate "emergency order."

1. Good guy who buys six rifles for his collection gets grilled and harassed by the BATFE, and must prove he is a good guy.

2. Criminals and their cohorts just go a few miles up river and buy from dealers with no federal reporting requirements.

3. The frustrated BATFE then demands another emergency order that all dealers must provide reports.

Oh yeah, there is a 4th result, too:

4. Honest, law abiding citizens lose more of their constitutional rights that make this country great.

I can't wait to see the BS definition of what constitutes a high power rifle in the BATFE's world.

Keep on slowly boiling that frog, and he'll be dead before he knows it. :mad:

tonyz
12-21-2010, 11:55
Acting Director Announces Demand Letters for Multiple Sales of Specific Long Guns in Four Border States

ATF Press Release -- Excerpt and link:

"Hello, I’m Ken Melson, the Acting Director of ATF.

A recent initiative by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has caught the attention of national media outlets. I wanted to make sure everyone heard from me about this law enforcement initiative so there isn’t any confusion.

Recently, ATF announced through the Federal Register our intent to initiate a new Demand Letter requiring the reporting of multiple sales of certain long guns by Federal Firearms Licensees, known as FFLs, in the four Southwest Border States. We took this step as a way to help gain actionable law enforcement intelligence which we believe will help reduce criminal firearms trafficking along the Southwest border.

Before we can actually issue the Demand Letter we must receive approval from the Office of Management and Budget for purposes of the paperwork reduction act. We expect to receive that approval in early January, 2011."

http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2010/12/122010-hdqrts-melson-webcast.html

Blitzzz (RIP)
12-21-2010, 13:22
E-mail address of this ass hole to let him be aware that a probationary implementation of the "Letter" is in fact unlawful, in every respect of the law. while this may be something he believes will slow the movement of such weapons south to Mexico, it only opens the door to further widen the range of such perceived "controls".
While it's not an infringement of buying weapons, it's a harassment to ownership.

tonyz
12-21-2010, 13:33
ATF Executive Staff
Deputy Director Kenneth E. Melson
ATF Deputy Director Kenneth E. Melson

Kenneth E. Melson was named as Acting Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives by President Obama. He assumed the post on April 12, 2009. Under the Vacancies Reform Act, he now heads the agency as the Deputy Director.

Most recently, Mr. Melson served as the Director of the Executive Office for U.S. Attorneys, where he was responsible for administrative oversight of the 94 U.S. Attorneys Offices and for liaison between the U.S. Attorneys and other Federal agencies and Department of Justice (DOJ) components.

Mr. Melson is a graduate of the National Law Center at The George Washington University. After serving as a state prosecutor in Arlington County, Virginia, he joined the United States Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Virginia in 1983, becoming the First Assistant United States Attorney in 1986.

Mr. Melson is a co-chair of the Subcommittee on Forensic Science, Committee on Science of the National Science and Technology Council within the Executive Office of the President. He is a Past President of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences (AAFS) and in 2006, became Chair of the Council of Scientific Society Presidents. He currently represents DOJ as a board member of the American Society of Crime Laboratory Directors/Laboratory Accreditation Board (ASCLD/LAB), serves on the editorial board of the Journal of Forensic Sciences, on the Ethics Committee for the AAFS, and on the Advisory Council of the National Clearinghouse for Science, Technology and the Law at Stetson University College of Law.

Mr. Melson has been an adjunct professor at The George Washington University for over 30 years, teaching law and forensic science courses at both the law school and the Department of Forensic Sciences, and publishes in both scientific texts and legal journals.

Blitzzz (RIP)
12-21-2010, 13:43
ATF Executive Staff
Deputy Director Kenneth E. Melson
ATF Deputy Director Kenneth E. Melson

Kenneth E. Melson was named as Acting Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives by President Obama. He assumed the post on April 12, 2009. Under the Vacancies Reform Act, he now heads the agency as the Deputy Director.

Most recently, Mr. Melson served as the Director of the Executive Office for U.S. Attorneys, where he was responsible for administrative oversight of the 94 U.S. Attorneys Offices and for liaison between the U.S. Attorneys and other Federal agencies and Department of Justice (DOJ) components.

Mr. Melson is a graduate of the National Law Center at The George Washington University. After serving as a state prosecutor in Arlington County, Virginia, he joined the United States Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Virginia in 1983, becoming the First Assistant United States Attorney in 1986.

Mr. Melson is a co-chair of the Subcommittee on Forensic Science, Committee on Science of the National Science and Technology Council within the Executive Office of the President. He is a Past President of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences (AAFS) and in 2006, became Chair of the Council of Scientific Society Presidents. He currently represents DOJ as a board member of the American Society of Crime Laboratory Directors/Laboratory Accreditation Board (ASCLD/LAB), serves on the editorial board of the Journal of Forensic Sciences, on the Ethics Committee for the AAFS, and on the Advisory Council of the National Clearinghouse for Science, Technology and the Law at Stetson University College of Law.

Mr. Melson has been an adjunct professor at The George Washington University for over 30 years, teaching law and forensic science courses at both the law school and the Department of Forensic Sciences, and publishes in both scientific texts and legal journals.

Firstly being an Obama appointee is disheartening and not above suspicion.
...And his common sense comes from where...?

tonyz
12-21-2010, 14:02
From the USDOJ OIG web page:

The US Department of Justice – Office of Inspector General
The Office of the Inspector General (OIG) conducts independent investigations, audits, inspections, and special reviews of United States Department of Justice personnel and programs to detect and deter waste, fraud, abuse, and misconduct, and to promote integrity, economy, efficiency, and effectiveness in Department of Justice operations.

http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/ATF/e1101.pdf

Review of ATF’s Project Gunrunner, Evaluation and Inspections Report I-2011-001, November 2010

Excerpt:

“We also found that while reports of multiple sales of handguns produce timely, actionable investigative leads for ATF, the lack of a reporting requirement for multiple sales of long guns – which have become the cartels’ weapons of choice – hinders ATF’s ability to disrupt the flow of illegal weapons into Mexico.”

and...The head of the Justice Department:
Eric H. Holder, Jr.
Attorney General of the United States

tonyz
12-21-2010, 18:27
Federal Register / Vol. 75, No. 242 / Friday, December 17, 2010 / Notices


DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms
and Explosives
[OMB Number 1140–NEW]
Agency Information Collection
Activities: Proposed Collection;
Comments Requested
ACTION: 60-Day Emergency Notice of
Information Collection Under Review:
Report of Multiple Sale or Other
Disposition of Certain Rifles.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2010/pdf/2010-31761.pdf

DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms
and Explosives
[OMB Number 1140–NEW]
Agency Information Collection
Activities: Proposed Collection;
Comments Requested
ACTION: 60-Day Emergency Notice of
Information Collection Under Review:
Report of Multiple Sale or Other
Disposition of Certain Rifles.
The Department of Justice, Office of
Justice Programs, will submit the
following information collection request
to the Office of Management and Budget
(OMB) for review and clearance in
accordance with emergency review
procedures of the Paperwork Reduction
Act of 1995. OMB approval has been
requested by January 5, 2011. This
notice requests comments from the
public and affected agencies concerning
the proposed information collection. If
granted, the emergency approval is only
valid for 180 days. Comments should be
directed to OMB, Office of Information
and Regulation Affairs, Attention:
Department of Justice Desk Officer (202)
395–6466, Washington, DC 20503.
During the first 60 days of this same
review period, a regular review of this
information collection is also being
undertaken. All comments and
suggestions, or questions regarding
additional information, to include
obtaining a copy of the proposed
information collection instrument with
instructions, should be directed to
Barbara A. Terrell,
Barbara.Terrell@atf.gov Firearms
Industry Programs Branch, Fax (202)
648–9640, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives, 99 New York
Avenue, NE., Washington DC 20226.
Written comments and suggestions
from the public and affected agencies
concerning the proposed collection of
information. Your comments should
address one or more of the following
four points:
—Evaluate whether the proposed
collection of information is necessary
for the proper performance of the
functions of the agency, including
whether the information will have
practical utility;
—Evaluate the accuracy of the agencies
estimate of the burden of the
proposed collection of information,
including the validity of the
methodology and assumptions used;
—Enhance the quality, utility, and
clarity of the information to be
collected; and
—Minimize the burden of the collection
of information on those who are to
respond, including through the use of
appropriate automated, electronic,
mechanical, or other technological
collection techniques or other forms
of information technology, e.g.,
permitting electronic submission of
responses.
Summary of Collection:
(1) Type of information collection:
New.
(2) The title of the form/collection:
Report of Multiple Sale or Other
Disposition of Certain Rifles.
(3) The agency form number, if any,
and the applicable component of the
department sponsoring the collection:
Form Number: ATF F 3310.12. Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and
Explosives.
(4) Affected public who will be asked
or required to respond, as well as a brief
abstract: Primary: Business or For-Profit
Other: None.
Need for Collection
The purpose of the information is to
require Federal Firearms Licensees to
report multiple sales or other
dispositions whenever the licensee sells
or otherwise disposes of two or more
rifles within any five consecutive
business days with the following
characteristics: (a) Semi automatic; (b) a
caliber greater than .22; and (c) the
ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(5) An estimate of the total number of
respondents and the amount of time
estimated for an average respondent to
respond/reply: It is estimated that 8,479
respondents will complete a 12 minute
form.
(6) An estimate of the total public
burden (in hours) associated with the
collection: The estimated total public
burden associated with this information
collection is 1,696 hours.
If additional information is required
contact: Lynn Murray, Department
Clearance Officer, Policy and Planning
Staff, Justice Management Division,
United States Department of Justice, 145
N Street, NE., Two Constitution Square,
Room 2E–502, Washington, DC 20530.
Dated: December 14, 2010.
Lynn Murray,
Department Clearance Officer, PRA, United
States Department of Justice.
[FR Doc. 2010–31761 Filed 12–16–10; 8:45 am]
BILLING CODE 4410–FY–P

mark46th
12-22-2010, 23:15
Another fxxking bureaucrat. It is Obama's way to bypass the constitution- Rule by bureaucracy. Issue a decree, bypassing congress and open debate.

Animal8526
12-23-2010, 00:00
Sooner or later robin sage is going to be a nation wide training exercise. Its good to know where many of you QP's stand.

Truckie117
12-23-2010, 00:09
Isn't that how it started in Germany and recently in Australia? Not to mention GB.
And Obama's next treaty will be the Useless Nations small arms treaty.
Will someone please let me know where the rally-point will be when the end comes.

Dusty
12-23-2010, 03:44
Isn't that how it started in Germany and recently in Australia? Not to mention GB.
And Obama's next treaty will be the Useless Nations small arms treaty.
Will someone please let me know where the rally-point will be when the end comes.

The Pearly Gates.

kgoerz
12-23-2010, 07:21
The fact that this is in the news confuses me, not surprise. The people buying the guns for criminals in Mexico. Will not fill out the forms (you know the Feds are going to create a form) and walk out of the deal. Then go somewhere else.