A threat from the south?

[MAB32]

www.aztlan.net

I met a few of these people and I think they actually hate us more than the Muslim Extremists.

Should we give them back all those states?

[Airbornelawyer]

From little seeds grow mighty big idiots.

Sometime in 2000, at a Rainforest Cafe in South Coast Plaza Mall in Costa Mesa, California, a Mexican-American claimed he was ignored by a "male Anglo server" who, when he eventually did bring him a drink, allegedly brought it without lime nor the advertised souvenir cup. "When the Chicano customer brought this to the server's attention, the server said that they 'had run out of the other stuff' in a disrespectful manner." The customer apparently became belligerent, and was escorted out of the Rainforest Cafe by mall security, who issued him a trespassing warning.

That customer was apparently Hector Carreon, who, smarting from this obviously racist and discriminatory treatment soon embarked on a crusade. He is founder, editor and publisher of "La Voz de Aztlan," the above website. The rest of his organization appears to be two fellow racists, Ernesto Cienfuegos, described as Editor-in-Chief of La Voz de Aztlan, and someone named Miroslava Flores. Three other "names" appear in connection with the Aztlan crowd: Mocotl Cagahtzin (probably a pseudonym), Cuauhtli, the "Minister of Information of the Nation of Aztlan" (Cuauhtli is "eagle" in Aztec) and Tezcatlipoca, the "Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Nation of Aztlan" (Tezcatlipoca, the god of the smoking mirror, is the Aztec god of night).

That is the total of that "organization," but they try to make alliances with other fellow travelers, from the EZLN in southern Mexico to the white supremacists of Stormfront.org. If you are in northeastern Ohio, it is unlikely you would have encountered Carreon or his wannabe fascist friends, but more likely the products of the racist pseudo-Chicano student organization, MEChA (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán). Cienfuegos is a product of that organization, as was Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante of California. MEChA is a fascistic organization, the product of '60s campus radicalism, which claims to be more moderate today but still subscribes to its basic philosophy: Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada ("For the race, everything. Outside the Race, nothing").

[Roguish Lawyer]

Hey, I've been to that restaurant. My kids LOVE it and insist that we stop there every time we go to San Diego.

If they don't like the guy, he must be a jerk. LOL

[MAB32]

Airbornelawyer, you are probably right. For some strange reason, here in Ohio, we have had an influx of Mexican migrant workers. My dealings with them were all about immigration violation( ie., illegal's). The one I especially remember talking to for being here illegally mentioned that he knew of the group but I believe he stated he supported MEChA because that sounds more familiar. He went on to tell me that they get "allot" of funding from the typical mom and pop mexican restaurant here in the U.S. Don't know if this is true or not but you probably have more knowledge about this than I do.

I remember reading something somewhere about President Fox supporting the idea of "reunification" at any cost. I know he supports the idea of a very loose border, albeit no border if possible.

AL, in your opinion do they pose a significant threat?

[Airbornelawyer]

MEChA and similar groups pose no military/law enforcement threat. They do seek to undermine our border controls and immigration laws, which can help others with more serious issues enter the country.

Tangential to this, though, did you know that Mexico is now the only country in the Western Hemisphere which does not have a mutual defense treaty with the United States? The Inter-American Treaty of Reciprocal Assistance of 1947, or the Rio Treaty, is the defense treaty which, like the NATO and ANZUS treaties, calls on parties to come to each other's aid in case of an attack. The High Contracting Parties agree that an armed attack by any State against an American State shall be considered as an attack against all the American States and, consequently, each one of the said Contracting Parties undertakes to assist in meeting the attack in the exercise of the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations.All independent countries in the Americas were parties. Cuba was suspended from the OAS in 1962, but technically is still a party to the Rio Treaty. In early September 2001, Mexico announced its intention to withdraw from the treaty. A week or so later, the United States invoked the treaty. In September 2002, Mexico officially denounced the Rio Treaty.