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I mentioned before that the locals were going less tolerant of Fred Phelps and the Westboro mob.
There are no reports online as of yet, but keep your eyes peeled! Local radio station 98 KMBZ is reporting that the Westboro Baptist vermin were involved in an altercation with members of the Patriot Shield today during the funeral services of CPL Jacob Carver in Harrisonville, MO.
According to the radio reporter the Police were called, no arrest were made but the Police told the folks from Westboro to leave the area.
****UPDATE****
AHHHH here we go link with video
http://www.kmbc.com/news/25890431/detail.html
Let us know when Daddy sends the Dirt Squirrels down to the Local Government office and serves it for failing to protect their rights.
Local radio station 98 KMBZ is reporting that the Westboro Baptist vermin were involved in an altercation with members of the Patriot Shield today during the funeral services of CPL Jacob Carver in Harrisonville, MO.
Kick some ass!!!:lifter
May I inquire what the, "Patriot Guard," is??? Sounds like a great group of folks!:cool:
Holly
Kick some ass!!!:lifter
May I inquire what the, "Patriot Guard," is??? Sounds like a great group of folks!:cool:
Holly
Vets that escort on Motorcycles
Vets that escort on Motorcycles
Thank you, Paslode. Was curious if any Members here took part in the group, to see if They were legitit???:confused: It sounds like They Are!!!
Holly
May I inquire what the, "Patriot Guard," is???
MOGVET sums it up nicely > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMyMBBzsDgA
As well as the Aunt of Specialist Bobby West > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G10T_Ih222E
ETA
Freedom isn’t free but joining the Patriot Guard is, and you don’t have to have a bike to join:
http://www.patriotguard.org/
http://forums.delphiforums.com/PGRofNC
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=118918678674
Thank you, Paslode. Was curious if any Members here took part in the group, to see if They were legitit???:confused: It sounds like They Are!!!
Holly
They are legit, one of my friends brothers is a member and participates.....he may have 'participated' today :D
The Patriot Guard is legitimate, fantastic and quite awe-inspiring when they turn out in numbers. I've seen them a couple of times here in Texas (both in Dallas and San Antonio)...and it's just amazing.
Seeing so many people turn out to honor someone they didn't know...wow.
As for fearless Freddie and his cult members...they'll likely be filing a lawsuit in 3-2-...
They are legit, one of my friends brothers is a member and participates.....he may have 'participated' today :D
Thank You Paslode!
Have now read about Them, and They certainly can kick some serious Westboro ASS!!!:mad:
Am inspiried to hear that a Fallen Hero's funeral was preserved by these Men!!
Holly:munchin
Let us know when Daddy sends the Dirt Squirrels down to the Local Government office and serves it for failing to protect their rights.
Yep, that's one of the biggest streams of income for them. Lawsuits.
May they all rot in hell.
Yep, that's one of the biggest streams of income for them. Lawsuits.
May they all rot in hell.
+ 1
Echoes, there are several of us that participate with the Patriot Guard. Check out the website and join. You do not have to ride a motorcycle, be a vet or anything other than show support and respect.
spherojon
11-23-2010, 20:13
The Patriot Guard is legitimate, fantastic and quite awe-inspiring when they turn out in numbers. I've seen them a couple of times here in Texas (both in Dallas and San Antonio)...and it's just amazing.
Seeing so many people turn out to honor someone they didn't know...wow.
As for fearless Freddie and his cult members...they'll likely be filing a lawsuit in 3-2-...
I met about 10 of them at my brothers funeral in San Diego, they are a blessing to family more than they know, they gave my sister peace of mind.
dadof18x'er
11-23-2010, 21:06
Echoes, there are several of us that participate with the Patriot Guard. Check out the website and join. You do not have to ride a motorcycle, be a vet or anything other than show support and respect.
find them on facebook , http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#!/group.php?gid=118918678674 hit the "like" button and they will notify you of all their activities.
I can't wait till Fred Phelps dies. Because when they plant that POS in the ground I'm going to be there.
And what I leave on his grave won't pass for roses.
Let us know when Daddy sends the Dirt Squirrels down to the Local Government office and serves it for failing to protect their rights.
Better yet when they are served for inciting a riot for their hateful speech in the same manner that the Neo-Nazis and KKK are non-tolerated by the authorities.
Echoes, The PGR is real. Several of the QPs on this site are Ride Captains and Regional Coordinators for this organization. Check out patriotguard.org or peruse the Taps thread for some of my postings.
http://www.kansas.com/2010/12/03/1616214/faces-5-charges-in-westboro-incident.html
Prosecutors today charged a decorated, double-amputee veteran with stalking and three counts of criminal use of a firearm in an incident involving members of a controversial Topeka church. Ryan J. Newell, 26, an Army veteran living in Marion, made his first appearance in Sedgwick County District Court through a video connection with the Sedgwick County Jail. He also was charged with false impersonation. His bond remains at $500,000.
Ryan Newell is "Army to the bone," friends and family say of the decorated military veteran who joined the service at 17, lost both legs in an explosion in Afghanistan and now stands accused of stalking members of a controversial Topeka church.
Proud of his service and proud of his country, he never blamed anyone for his injuries and felt guilty, his grandmother said, that he survived when two of his brothers in combat did not.
Prosecutors charged Newell, 26, with five misdemeanors Thursday, including stalking and three counts of criminal use of a firearm in an incident involving the Phelps family of Topeka's Westboro Baptist Church. He also was charged with false impersonation of a law enforcement officer.
The Phelps family often protests at military funerals, saying that the deaths of soldiers are God's way of punishing the country for homosexuality.
"I knew he detested those guys that protested against the GIs that got killed, which I don't blame him there. I do, too.... It was their freedom he was protecting, too," said Newell's grandfather, Jim Crosby, though he noted they had never discussed the Phelps family.
Sedgwick County sheriff's detectives arrested Newell mid-morning Tuesday in the Wichita City Hall parking lot after a detective saw him following a van that carried Westboro church members.
The church members were meeting in City Hall with police officials. Detectives found Newell in a vehicle backed into a parking space. In the vehicle, investigators found two handguns, a rifle and more than 90 rounds of ammunition, sources have said.
The stalking charge accuses Newell of actions targeted at Westboro members and putting them in fear for their safety.
The weapons charges accuse him of unlawfully carrying and concealing or possessing with "intent to use" an M4 rifle, .45-caliber Glock handgun and .38-caliber Smith and Wesson handgun.
"I just can't imagine him wanting to hurt anybody," his grandmother, Bonnie Crosby, said.
Agents with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives went to Newell's home, and his wife turned over items — including firearms — to law enforcement, said a source close to the investigation.
Newell, who appeared in the courtroom through a video connection with the Sedgwick County Jail, was seated in a wheelchair and was wearing an orange jail jumpsuit. He was ordered to have no contact with members of the Westboro Baptist Church or the Phelps family.
Two lawyers appeared in court offering to represent Newell, who grew up in Goddard. He told Judge Ben Burgess that he had also received offers from a number of other lawyers.
Burgess quipped, "The more the merrier, I suppose."
Newell remains in jail on $500,000 bond.
Army service
Newell received many medals for his service, including the Bronze Star and Purple Heart, his grandfather said.
"He was very proud of those."
His grandmother said Newell "felt that being in the Army was the best thing he could have done."
"I can understand, I think partly, what I felt when those people were out there yelling...'' she said of Westboro members. "I don't particularly like them going to funerals. I can understand why he didn't like that. Because he went to go do a job, and he lost his legs doing that job."
Newell lost his legs when an improvised bomb exploded while he was serving in Afghanistan in 2008.
"He wasn't supposed to be the gunner that night," Bonnie Crosby said. "He was supposed to be driving the vehicle. The guy in charge was tired. He let Ryan be the gunner. That saved his life that night. He really didn't like that. It bothered him. It bothers him if anybody over there is killed."
Westboro did not protest at funerals of the soldiers who were killed in the bombing that wounded Newell, said Westboro spokeswoman Shirley Phelps-Roper.
Reactions in Marion
News of Newell's arrest hadn't reached many people Wednesday in Marion, where Newell lived.
Marion barber Bill Holdeman was planning to go hunting this weekend with Newell's father-in-law.
"I thought he was going out hunting with us," Holdeman said.
"I didn't know anything about this, but I can see why it would shake him up," Holdeman said of the church's protests at military funerals. "I don't think there's any service guy who likes those... up there in Topeka.
"If he's against them," Holdeman said of Newell, "I'm sure the hell for him."
A customer sitting in Holdeman's barber chair getting a buzz cut said, "Well, good for him," when he learned about what investigators say Newell did. "It's time for someone to take a stand against those people."
A Marion retiree who did not want to be named said that he helped build the Newells a home through the nonprofit group Homes for Our Troops. The home is specially designed to accommodate Newell's disability.
Workers started the house in March and finished at the end of June. Most materials and labor were donated.
The volunteer said he didn't know Newell before the project and "while we were working there, he was fairly quiet. He would come around occasionally."
He said he, too, was surprised about Newell.
"It's kind of disappointing," he said.
Newell's wife, Carrie, appeared tired and worn when she answered the door at their home Wednesday. She declined to talk to a reporter, as did her father.
Ryan and Carrie Newell met when his mother was in a nursing home, his grandparents said. Carrie worked at the nursing home. They were married over the phone while he was overseas.
Newell's grandparents
Bonnie Crosby described her grandson as "just a good kid, we thought."
He liked sports growing up and played baseball and "liked to swim and the whole bit."
When he decided to go into the military, she said, "We didn't want him to go. His mother didn't want him to go, either. But that's what he wanted to do."
Newell's mother, Beverly, died seven years ago of a malignant brain tumor. Newell was serving in Iraq at the time, Bonnie Crosby said, and was called home when doctors thought his mother had five days to live.
He was able to get home in time, Bonnie Crosby said.
The Crosbys said they talk to Newell about once or twice a month and kept in touch with him by letter and phone when he was overseas. They visited him when he was recovering at a military hospital.
The Crosbys visited Newell and his wife and children at Thanksgiving. Newell and his wife have two children of their own and two other children who live with them.
"I think he looked better that day than I'd seen him in a long time," Bonnie Crosby said.
Newell, she said, has had some problems with his prosthetic legs.
"He's just had a lot of health problems," she said.
Desire to help police
Marion Police Chief Josh Whitwell said federal agents came to talk to him Wednesday.
He said he knew Newell pretty well, although it had been a while since he had seen him.
"He's a pretty likable guy," Whitwell said. "Everyone around here likes Ryan."
Whitwell said he went to school with Newell's wife in Marion and got to know Newell before he left for Afghanistan. Newell asked about using the Police Department's firing range for training.
After he was injured and returned home, Newell asked Whitwell about helping out with the Police Department.
"He's very knowledgeable about weapons and has a ton of tactical training," Whitwell said.
Newell never spoke about the Phelps family to him, Whitwell said.
"I hate to see him going through more than he's already going through," Whitwell said.
Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/12/03/1616214/faces-5-charges-in-westboro-incident.html#ixzz1740L0nYE
Chp Wd, Cry H2O
01-11-2011, 09:16
Yep, that's one of the biggest streams of income for them. Lawsuits.
May they all rot in hell.
From:
http://www.kanewj.com/wbc/
Disclaimer: The following was written by the user El_Camino_SS in this thread on Fark.com, 02/21/2006.
I do not claim to have written this. This was found while browsing and is being reprinted without the consent of the original author, albeit I don't think this person would mind me having it here, I don't want any mistake made that I claim ownership of these words.
I merely agree with them...
The Scam of the Decade
Fred Phelps does not believe what he is doing. This is a scam.
It's a business. They travel the country, set up websites telling you exactly when they'll be there, and using the most inflammatory statements all over the place, just to get someone to violate their rights for profit. Then they sue the military, the police force that was to protect them, and everyone that is around them for money. This is a sham, and it is a trap to get people sued. Every member of his family is an attorney. Phelps does not break the law. What he does is try to make you break the law by trying to punch your sensibilities about everything you hold dear, and then sue you and everyone municipality around him to the max.
This is a scam.
Whether he believes his posters or not is irrelevant.
He's using this as a moneymaking scheme.
Lay one finger on him, do one thing that violates him, and he will sue you, and more importantly, the city, the police department, the US Military, and any private property owner he happens to be standing on to make money off of it.
Let's look at the ways he's trying to get you up in a tizzy to violate his civil rights for profit:
He says God Hates Fags, God hates the US Govt., that God hates the US Military, God Hates you, and God justifies the killing of others.
Phelps knows that saying 'God' and 'Hate' in the same sentence gets people worked up. He knows that. He knows that people have a knee jerk reaction to that.
He says that the US Govt. and the United States are evil.
This is another hot button with people who love their country. It is intentional. It is designed to make you take a swing at him. He wants $50,000 from you. He wants a Powerball winner to swing at him so he gets 100 million dollars. It's that simple.
He goes after homosexuals, he goes after people who are making sacrifices. Phelps intentionally targets people that are being victimized, or good people doing their jobs to create more outrage. He kicks people when they're down. He does that so someone will come up and defend them. Then he will sue you.
His boards are laminated on hardwood, because he pulls them out of trucks at least five times a week. He also puts them in bright colors for attention, and makes absolutely sure that you can read them at all time. He's phishing you. Everyone must know that.
The most telling tale about all of Phelp's behavior is the schedule he keeps, and the company he keeps as well. The parties sometimes split up and go to two separate state funerals to maximize the profitability of them. There are, at maximum, twelve members to the party. They never stay more than thirty minutes (I assume they realize that someone will do something to them the MOMENT they come out of the vans, and really, after that, they get their camera shots to cause the outrage for the next stop, and then they move on) to maximize their profits, because time is money, and really, they're not interested in the message, because they're just interested in the lawsuit.
See? They don't believe this stuff. If they did, they wouldn't have come to Coretta Scott King's funeral. Because in their doctrine, they don't believe that G-d hates black people who tried to promote Christianity. So why were they there? They were there to make a buck when someone slipped up. They were there to petition the police department for a right to protest, and if they didn't get it, take them to court over it.
Basically, Phelps is playing the Ken Lay, Karl Rove, "Smartest Man in the Room" game where he is willing to do anything (if it be lying or stealing, or telling you God hates you) to make himself rich and powerful. This is his scheme, and admittedly, it's clever, but just downright evil to promote so much hatred in the world.
Tell all your friends about this.
This man is a con artist, and he's not a man of religion whatsoever.
After all, he makes everyone around him a lawyer.
That should tell you right now he is not anything.
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How do I know that Fred Phelps is suing people? I can tell you I just have too much experience around him. I am a journalist in Nashville, TN, and work at a television station that works the Ft. Campbell area. As a television photographer and journalist, I have been trained in all of the rules of private property, verbal conversation, what is legal and what is not legal, etc. (what you can and cannot say, what you can get away with). Honestly, in the last few months, I have seen waaay too much of Mr. Phelps and his crew. Since the war began, I believe they think this is the moneymaking source of a lifetime.
So how am I sure? After the third run in, and not one slip, not one piece of paperwork out of line, I knew something was fishy. My newsman skepticism left me with the idea later that something was more phishy than fishy.
I will tell you where I got this truth about Phelps. I looked him in the eye. I saw that he was way too calm and collected for what he looked like in the media. I noticed that he never made personal statements against a person, which is verbal assault, and an out against a lawsuit. Also, for a religious fanatic, a group of people who pride themselves on personal attacks, he was running a protest so terribly by the books that I was impressed by it. He will not bait a person, ever. He will not make personal attacks. He will make blanket statements. He will look at a person in the crowd that he thinks is gay, walk over to his stack of signs, pull out the appropriate, well designed, easily read, laminated bright board, and hold it up and loudly proclaim that "gays are going to hell" or some such nonsense, and make eye contact, but he will never cross the line of telling that person that they're going to hell. That would be the part that would screw up the lawsuit. He just wants to get them after him, but wants to appear utterly blameless for damages.
They run too tight of a ship to slip up, and at that point, I realized that the objective of the group was not anything religious at all. Someone told me along the way that they were all turned into lawyers after he got disbarred. After that, the stench was just too intense for me. He makes money off of this. He does this so much he has everyone around him do the legal legwork so he doesn't have to pay anyone else.
The last time confirmed everything I suspected about them.
A few weeks later, I saw them again (they LOVE to come to big name funerals) and after I saw the laminated signs change for the audience, I knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
His 'crew' isn't a 'church' as you and I would know. The 'church' are more of a motley crew of family members. Some of them are six year old children that are doing what they're told. I have spoken to them, and they have a lawyers sensibility on them on how they speak to the public. They never make personal attacks. They never verbally assault anyone. For a group of people that are accusing damn near every group of people around them for going to hell, wouldn't that seem odd to you? Do you know any religious fanatics that don't make personal attacks? I don't.
They also don't stick around after the cameras roll. They have an itinerary like a semi truck driver. For them to get cleared for all of these press event protests they're doing, then they have to have someone at home doing all of the setup. For you to get the press clearances by the prescribed times? That's a lot of professional legwork. I should know, I've coordinated a newsrooms credentials when the President comes to town, and that's a lot of phone calls and faxes.
They probably file a load of civil rights violation lawsuits. If a police department looks them up and says, "we're denying your protest right," BOOYah. They just got to sue a police department for the very thing that Americans can't stand, rights violation. I am assuming that this is where they get almost all of their money.
See my previous post. Their beliefs are so riddled with inconsistency. The 'real inconsistency' is that every position that contradicts every other of their beliefs is designed to maximize the number of people that they offend. You cannot be saved to them. You are evil in their beliefs, no matter who you are, and God will punish you like the evil gays/soldiers/innocent people/people who love America/people who are black/everyone else we can think of.
Here's the proof. Who in the world makes a poster that says, "Thank God for IEDs" (Improvised Explosive Devices, aka Roadside Bombs). They are saying God is with the terrorists. Then they say God hates you. And homosexuals. Then when they see you looking patriotic with your American flag shirt, they point the sign at you and say, "Americans are going to hell for supporting this country!" and look you in the eye. NOTICE THOUGH, they never say, "You're going to hell." (That would give a judge an out to deny them their claim.)
How much money have they made from lawsuits to date?
How many lawsuits do they have working now?
How much money have they made from lawsuits to date?
How many lawsuits do they have working now?
You would have to add settled out of court.
Just the threat of a lawsuit could shake out a few $100Ks.
Echoes, The PGR is real. Several of the QPs on this site are Ride Captains and Regional Coordinators for this organization. Check out patriotguard.org or peruse the Taps thread for some of my postings.
Stras Sir,
And All QP's here that "Ride with the Patriot Guard," my hat, and other things, are off to all of you!
May your muscle be shown, your Harley growls feared and your intimidation felt by those pond scum, manuer eating excrements who seek to dishonor Our Bravest in their time of passing on!!!
My heart is with all of You Brave Souls!!! And Kick Some westboro Ass!!!:mad:
Holly:munchin
You would have to add settled out of court.
Just the threat of a lawsuit could shake out a few $100Ks.
No doubt...but would be interesting to find out.
longrange1947
01-12-2011, 12:40
Noticed that Arizona quickly passed a "No Demonstrtion statute" for the funeral of the weekend massacre. Wonder why they could not do that when they were "only" soldiers' families being harassed? :munchin
Noticed that Arizona quickly passed a "No Demonstrtion statute" for the funeral of the weekend massacre. Wonder why they could not do that when they were "only" soldiers' families being harassed? :munchin
This is all good except, they should not allow attendance for ANYBODY who, like the Westboro instigators, have exploited or would try to exploit this situation further to fit their agenda. Starting with this moron Sherif. The people who have tried to gain a political edge by exploiting this tragedy are no better than the Westboro clan and are essentially doing the same disservice to these victims, and the American people.
Just my opinion.....jd
Looks like AnonymousVideo with Westboro and Anonymous and near the end Anonymous hacks one of their sites while they are talking. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJwSjor4hM&feature=player_embedded) has their number for sure.
Raine_n_Roses
02-28-2011, 09:48
Nice job Anonymous..
For a woman of god she sure does have a potty mouth.
greenberetTFS
02-28-2011, 12:30
God Bless the Patriot Guard Riders...............:lifter:lifter:lifter:lifter
Big Teddy
I can't wait for the headline...Westboro members all die in a fire. (or whatever) Yep, that's what I'm waiting for.
I can't wait for the headline...Westboro members all die in a fire. (or whatever) Yep, that's what I'm waiting for.
I'm not their Judge or Jury but my money is on the fact that they will be seeing plenty of fire in the afterlife. ;)
longrange1947
02-28-2011, 19:38
I'm not their Judge or Jury but my money is on the fact that they will be seeing plenty of fire in the afterlife. ;)
Of that I have no doubt.
dr. mabuse
02-28-2011, 20:22
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I'm not their Judge or Jury but my money is on the fact that they will be seeing plenty of fire in the afterlife. ;)
I'm of the same mindset. Fire and brimstone, indeed.