View Full Version : Did somebody loose a missile?
incarcerated
11-09-2010, 13:06
Video here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/09/california-contrail-defence-department-missile
and
http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/chrislittle.html?feed=135027&article=7818184
and
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/09/national/main7036716.shtml
No video with this story at this link, despite impressions to the contrary:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mystery-missile-launched-missile-off-california-coast/story?id=12097155
Mystery Missile: Launch of Unknown Missile Caught on Tape in California
Navy, Military Investigating Missile Video; No Agencies Claim Responsibility Yet
By LUIS MARTINEZ
Nov. 9, 2010
The mystery of a missile launch last night off the Southern California coast deepened today as U.S. military officials said they were still checking to see if the missile was one of theirs.
The unmistakable contrail of a missile streaking into the California sunset was captured on video last night by a KCBS news helicopter flying over Los Angeles at around 5 p.m. Pacific time.
The missile firing drew more attention when local news stations were told by Navy and Air Force officials that they did not launch a missile last night.
Flying above Los Angeles, the crew aboard the helicopter estimated the missile was fired approximately 35 miles west out to sea, north of Catalina Island.
The missile appeared to have been launched at sea, which prompted speculation that it had been launched by a U.S. Navy vessel.
However, Navy officials contacted by local news stations said they were unaware of a missile launch in that area. Contacted by ABC News, a Navy official said today they were still looking into the report, but, a preliminary check indicated it was not a Navy asset.
U.S. Northern Command said it's investigating. They say there was no launch last night from Vandenberg Air Force Base which is a regular launch point for the testing of missiles.
"NORAD and USNORTHCOM are aware of the unexplained contrail reported off the coast of Southern California yesterday evening," the agency said in a statement. "At this time, we are unable to provide specific details, but we are working to determine the exact nature of this event. We can confirm that there is no indication of any threat to our nation and we will provide more information as it becomes available."
Masochist
11-09-2010, 13:44
Must have been Kim Jong Nam, the eldest son. Partying in SoCal, he just wanted to show dad he had what it takes to run the country better than his brother.
Seriously, though, I wonder if this was another case of Cali trick photography like the golden gate bridge stunt (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/19/nothing-wrong-with-jets-air-show-maneuver-faa-says/).
From the first link.Colonel Dave Lapan, speaking for the Pentagon, said: "Nobody within the department of defence [sic] that we have reached out to has been able to explain what this contrail is, [or] where it came from. So far, we've come up empty with any explanation."Goodness gracious sakes alive.:eek:
Did someone just give us the middle finger? :munchin
BigJimCalhoun
11-09-2010, 16:19
I would not be suprised to see this blamed on a tea-partier who purchased it at a gun show.
:munchin
Operation Black Swan. ;)
Richard :munchin
Operation Black Swan.
Copenhagen in the nose burns…:D
Operation Black Swan. ;)
Richard :munchin
It must have been aimed at the Mother Ship.
For information, the FAA is the go-to agency. Did they issue NOTAMS and restrict airspace? (If it was ours, that is.)
Pat
After watching the video again, the contrail reminded me of Mike Wire and Major Frederick Meyer’s testimony.
:munchin
For information, the FAA is the go-to agency. Did they issue NOTAMS and restrict airspace? (If it was ours, that is.)
Pat
Pat
The news I watch around 6pm said that the FAA gave no permission to anyone to fly anything other than the normal commercial traffic..
Pat
The news I watch around 4pm said that the FAA gave no permission to anyone to fly anything other than the normal commercial traffic..
We were on the back deck in the hot tub at that time and didn't see anything. Unfortunately, our SW view is blocked by our neighbor's house and that seems to cover the area they are talking about. I'd like to have been a eyewitness. :cool:
Pat
Since there are no definitive answers to this event......
Wasn't Iran building launch platforms on container ships....and they along with China claim/or are purported to to have stealth missile technology?
:munchin
We were on the back deck in the hot tub at that time and didn't see anything. Unfortunately, our SW view is blocked by our neighbors house and that seems to cover the area they are talking about. I'd like to have been a eyewitness. :cool:
Pat
Now they are saying it might be a commercial jet taking off???
Looks a bit vertical and coming out of the west to me..
We see vapor trails here all the time from the jets out of MIA heading South to SA. But they are high and horizontal, not vertical..
Maybe the Mex Cartel is trying a new method of product insertion. Bring it up by sub then use disposable ICBM's to deliver it in-land???
:munchin
ZonieDiver
11-09-2010, 18:40
We were on the back deck in the hot tub at that time and didn't see anything. Unfortunately, our SW view is blocked by our neighbor's house and that seems to cover the area they are talking about. I'd like to have been a eyewitness. :cool:
Pat
The back deck in the hot tub!!!! That kinda stuff ain't allowed in S. Arizona! You can sit in the galvanized stock tank with the immersion heater out under the ramada, though. :D
The back deck in the hot tub!!!! That kinda stuff ain't allowed in S. Arizona! You can sit in the galvanized stock tank with the immersion heater out under the ramada, though. :D
The alpacas refuse to drink hot water. :p
Pat
I can see it now.
There is some reporter in a room and says:
"What's this button for?"
"OOPS! Did I do that?"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101110/ap_on_go_ot/us_pentagon_mystery_missile
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#40097909
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
I haven't located the video timestamp yet, but:
KZLA LOS ANGELES (ARTCC)PALMDALE, CA.
A2832/10 NOTAMN A) KZLA B) 1011092000 C) 1011100100
E) THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS ARE REQUIRED DUE TO NAVAL AIR
WARFARE CENTER WEAPONS DIVISION ACTIVATION OF W537.
IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, ALL NON-PARTICIPATING PILOTS
ARE ADVISED TO AVOID W537. IFR TRAFFIC UNDER ATC JURISDICTION
SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLEARANCE AROUND W537 AND CAE 1176.
CAE 1155 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
CAE 1316 & CAE 1318 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
CAE 1177 WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
W537 ACTIVE, CAE 1176 CLOSED.
F) SURFACE G) FL390
And here is a map designating that section for those interested:
http://skyvector.com/?ll=34.03656120385772,-121.69918142437554&chart=24&zoom=5
I haven't located the video timestamp yet, but:
KZLA LOS ANGELES (ARTCC)PALMDALE, CA.
A2832/10 NOTAMN A) KZLA B) 1011092000 C) 1011100100
E) THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS ARE REQUIRED DUE TO NAVAL AIR
WARFARE CENTER WEAPONS DIVISION ACTIVATION OF W537.
IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, ALL NON-PARTICIPATING PILOTS
ARE ADVISED TO AVOID W537. IFR TRAFFIC UNDER ATC JURISDICTION
SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLEARANCE AROUND W537 AND CAE 1176.
CAE 1155 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
CAE 1316 & CAE 1318 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
CAE 1177 WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
W537 ACTIVE, CAE 1176 CLOSED.
F) SURFACE G) FL390
And here is a map designating that section for those interested:
http://skyvector.com/?ll=34.03656120385772,-121.69918142437554&chart=24&zoom=5
I guess the Pentagon didn't get the memo. Or this was posted after the fact.
The KCBS pilot might not have seen that since they would not be operating in that area. But, I'm surprised that some airline pilot, or dispatcher, or ATC controller, or the FAA itself didn't come forward.
Clearly a sub launch. I'd have LOVED to have seen that!
Pat
That Warning Area is Pt. Magu's missile range which is North of us but crosses to the SW. The videos from KCBS shows the missile tracking northish and the KCBS crew said it looked like it came from near Santa Catalina Island. That is outside the WA. The KCBS chopper would have had to be north of Magu to get that angle if it was from NAS Magu. If it was sub launched, was the sub in the wrong place? And, where was the helicopter?
Still a head scratcher.
Pat
incarcerated
11-09-2010, 22:03
Wasn't Iran building launch platforms on container ships....and they along with China claim/or are purported to to have stealth missile technology?
Six short months ago:
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28621&highlight=container
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIgvGpH2smY&NR=1
incarcerated
11-10-2010, 00:29
This afternoon, Los Angeles area radio station KFI interviewed cameraman Gil Leyvas who shot the missile video footage for the local CBS affiliate. Leyvas reported that this was a second sighting: that he and the same pilot had seen an identical missile launch at the same time of day and in the same vicinity last Thursday, November 4th. KFI news reported the Defense Department as saying definitively that there was no DoD involvement in this event. The report commented that a commercial launch would have been preceded by a press release or other pre-event publicity, none of which can be found.
The opening graphic on the CBS News video here
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/09/national/main7036716.shtml
places the launch origination 35 miles west of Los Angeles,
close to Santa Barbra Island. This location would be within good view of the military radar station on San Pedro Hill, here
http://www.radomes.org/cgi-bin/museum/acwinfo2x.cgi?site=Fort+MacArthur+(San+Pedro),+CA&key=FortMacArthurSanPedroCA&pic=FortMacArthurSanPedroCA&doc=FortMacArthurSanPedroCA&www=FortMacArthurSanPedroCA
http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=33.74561,-118.336487&spn=0.043393,0.136642&t=p&z=13
http://wikimapia.org/5220469/San-Pedro-Hill-Air-Force-Radar-Station
The location near Santa Barbra Island is roughly half way between the mainland and radar at the Naval Facility on San Nicolas Island
http://www.radomes.org/museum/showsite.php?site=San+Nicolas+Island,+CA
http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=33.246727,-119.485931&spn=0.349146,1.09314&t=h&z=10
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/san-nicolas-island.htm
Coastal missile tests are not uncommon off the Los Angeles area. Most originate from Vandenberg and Point Mugu.
http://www.navair.navy.mil/ranges/SEA/index.htm
Santa Barbara Island is at the edge of the missile test range complex, depending of what map you’re looking at.
http://www.socalrangecomplexeis.com/Documents/SOCAL%20Range%20Complex.pdf
http://www.navair.navy.mil/ranges/SEA/images/photos/SEA/large/PRF-Ranges-Airspace_Lg.jpg
While many routine coastal missile tests are highly visible from the mainland, I have not seen any report of this event being witnessed by any member of the public other than the KCBS News air crew. Without the aid of an aerial platform and commercial-grade telephoto lens, public awareness of this event would probably not exist. But while out of view from the general public, the event occurred in an environment that is configured to monitor exactly this type of activity, i.e. inside “the DoD’s largest and most extensively instrumented over-water range.”
Oh s#!t, it was probably just an optical illusion.
Nothing to see here.
Reaper411
11-10-2010, 00:56
Isn't POTUS backing the integration of the SM-3, otherwise known as the RIM-161 Standard Missile 3, into the inventory? According to the infamous wikipedia, it is said to be "a ship-based missile system used by the US Navy to intercept aircraft, ships, ballistic and cruise missiles as a part of Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System." The SM-3 can change it's course mid-flight. Just a possibility.
I had the opportunity to have an indepth tour of the Las Vegas Int'l Airport's TRACON and Tower and I don't see how, if it was an aircraft, it was not explained as "Oh, it's flight XXX out of Bejing." The moment an aircraft enters a new airspace, it is identified. If they want to put it to rest, all the FAA has to do is say what airline it was. If it was a test from 'Dreamland' I would understand the hush hush, but this is different... I would be interested to see if ANYONE had tracking and if so, why the big denial...
"Captiain? HOW much trouble did you say I would get into if I pressed the BIG red button?"
:D
The more I see this the more I convinced that it is a contrail. The aircraft is EASTbound (toward the camera) and is magnified by atmospheric refraction.
While living in Tucson in the 70's, I saw a launch from Vandenberg, more that 500 miles away, because of AR.
Pat
Bill Harsey
11-10-2010, 15:41
According to the news Pentagon says it was an aircraft, with long wings :D
According to the news Pentagon says it was an aircraft, with long wings :D
A West Coast blogger took photo's of a jet contrail tonight, same time, same picture, presumably same flight..
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/10/blogger-solved-california-missile-mystery/
On his blog "Time to Think," Liem Bahneman on Wednesday pinpointed America West Flight 808 as the likely cause -- backing up an explanation offered by a senior military official to Fox News Channel that the contrail caught on video by a news helicopter “was more likely caused by an airplane than anything else."
Bahneman wonders if he is the first to call it: "I did a lot of extrapolation of what flights could be at the right position (off the coast) at the right altitude (for contrail formation) and came down to two possibilities: UPS Flight 902 (UPS902) or America West Flight 808 (AWE808)."
He concluded: "As I was researching tonight (24 hours later), I realized that today's (Tuesday's) AWE808 current position (at around 4:50 p.m.) was almost the same as it was the day of the incident. I quickly pulled up a Newport Beach webcam and found that (apparently) AWE808 was making an identical contrail, 24 hours later!"
The more I see this the more I convinced that it is a contrail. The aircraft is EASTbound (toward the camera) and is magnified by atmospheric refraction.
While living in Tucson in the 70's, I saw a launch from Vandenberg, more that 500 miles away, because of AR.
Pat
A bit more to this story: My girlfriends' father was a (the) Chief Master Sergeant (I don't know the AF rank structure) of the Titan Wing at the time and we were together at his son's graduation ceremony in a football stadium. He almost had a heart attack when he saw it. He thought one of his sites North of Tucson had launched. He was a big guy and I don't think I've ever seen anybody that frightened. (Despite his Wing "position", he was, in fact, a golfer for the Air Farce. :rolleyes: They entered him in Pro-Ams around the country.)
Pat
I find it interesting that the first story came from a News Chopper.
News choppers usualy have a pilot. News Chopper pilots usualy put a lot of air time in the same little area and see the same general sights.
You would think that as the footage was being shot the pilot would say "No big deal. It's just a jet coming into.............." but he didn't.
I find it interesting that the first story came from a News Chopper.
News choppers usualy have a pilot. News Chopper pilots usualy put a lot of air time in the same little area and see the same general sights.
You would think that as the footage was being shot the pilot would say "No big deal. It's just a jet coming into.............." but he didn't.
That's why I fell for it originally. But(t), helicopter pilots are highly susceptible to hemorrhoids. His or her mind may have been elsewhere. ;)
Pat
I find it interesting that the first story came from a News Chopper.
News choppers usualy have a pilot. News Chopper pilots usualy put a lot of air time in the same little area and see the same general sights.
You would think that as the footage was being shot the pilot would say "No big deal. It's just a jet coming into.............." but he didn't.
Agreed. Other than the photo / video itself this is one of the main reasons I believe this was a missile launch.
We all drive / fly past the same places every day. If this was indeed a "normal" experience the pilot and camera would have dismissed it out of hand.
Janes Analyst
". . . Doug Richardson, the editor of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets, examined the video for the Times of London and said he was left with little doubt.
"It’s a solid propellant missile," he told the Times. "You can tell from the efflux [smoke]."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/10/earlyshow/main7040379.shtml
I'm going with:
It's one of ours, sub launched, test. We know everything about it (down to the guy who tightened the last nut at the factory mother's maiden name)
I'm also going with - purposeful disinformation campaign in an effort to reduce the act's preceived aggressiveness by the larger international audience while the messiah is at G20 pan handling err. . .touring Asia making the case for the world to buy more of our debt.
any takers?
(It's like Clue: Professor Plum, in the Library, with the candle stick) I just don't know when /if we'll be able to open the envelope.
How do you wrap all the week's news into one little package?
Put on Tinfoil Hat before clicking on link.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1421.htm
'.............The “immediate effect” of the Chinese Navy’s firing of their EMP missile, this report continues, was the “catastrophic crippling” of the US based cruise ship Carnival Splendor [photo 3rd left] that stranded its nearly 4,500 passengers and crew in a “dead in the water” boat and prompting the Americans to send the US Navy’s Ronald Reagan aircraft carrier, warplanes, and supply aircraft to protect it from further attack after all of its electronic systems were destroyed..........."
I warned you......
How do you wrap all the week's news into one little package?
Put on Tinfoil Hat before clicking on link.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1421.htm
'.............The “immediate effect” of the Chinese Navy’s firing of their EMP missile, this report continues, was the “catastrophic crippling” of the US based cruise ship Carnival Splendor [photo 3rd left] that stranded its nearly 4,500 passengers and crew in a “dead in the water” boat and prompting the Americans to send the US Navy’s Ronald Reagan aircraft carrier, warplanes, and supply aircraft to protect it from further attack after all of its electronic systems were destroyed..........."
I warned you......
LMAO!
CombatMuffin
11-11-2010, 09:31
Is it plausible that its a missile test whose details are not to be revealed to the public yet? Simply as a matter of security, since the press tends to meddle. The exhaust in the videos looked pretty big, I doubt anyone loses missiles that big by accident. Then again, Im no rocket scientist.