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I couldn't find this anywhere else in here. CSM (Ret) McKinney intentionally hit some people with a car last week. Maybe some of you who live in the area can explain some things. What is a "slug lane" ? The article makes it sound like the CSM is a taxi driver or something. Does anyone know if this is true?
http://www.arlnow.com/2010/11/01/man-arrested-in-arlington-was-former-top-army-soldier/
...slug line...
http://slug-lines.com/
IMO there is an overabundance of 'slugs' to be found lining the hallways and sidewalks of the DC area - guess they never heard of placing pans of beer around the plants to catch those slimy bastards. :rolleyes:
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Green Light
11-02-2010, 15:44
...slug line...
http://slug-lines.com/
IMO there is an overabundance of 'slugs' to be found lining the hallways and sidewalks of the DC area - guess they never heard of placing pans of beer around the plants to catch those slimy bastards. :rolleyes:
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Slug isn't very PC. Actually kind of judgmental. I prefer "snail without a shell." :D
Slug isn't very PC. Actually kind of judgmental.
OK - how about sialorrheaic gastropod? :rolleyes:
Richard :munchin
mark46th
11-02-2010, 18:16
They taste like chicken.
mojaveman
11-02-2010, 18:20
They taste like chicken.
DC politicians or slugs? :p
CPTAUSRET
11-02-2010, 18:24
DC politicians or slugs? :p
You are differentiating between the two?
Nightfall
11-02-2010, 19:27
You are differentiating between the two?
One is a dirt dwelling, scum sucking, slime trail leaving annoyance that lives under rocks, the other is just an inverebrate.
"My Name is Earl" kind of Karma....McK is a slug, met him in DC as the SWTG CSM when we had the top supply guy in the Army recv'ing an award.
Felt like I was talking to a used car salesman...from a 3rd world country.
The guy (General) that selected him should have been shot too for being a stupid dupe.
Other than that no opinion.
Trevor P. explained it to me. Richard, if I had found that link, I probably would have thought it was some kind of joke. Keep on sluggin'.
If true, it was a long slow fall; some addiction issues perhaps? Not pretty, and not good PR for the service branch.
Mck got canned for sexual abuse.
He used his postion to seduce Army wives/soldiers etc.
The one that reported him, made the initial complaint, was 6 months pregnant when McK conned her into sex.
After she came fwd the dam broke and many female soldiers/wives reported his advances etc.
Same as SMA Wooldridge who was 'let go' as SMA for running a kickback scam in RVN for contractors...used his position for monetary gain but the Army did not press charges for PR reasons.
Slight correction....Wooldridge left the position of SMA and took MACV and was caught getting kickbacks...what is not said aloud is that he assigned all of the senior NCO's to RVN (club managers etc) as the SMA setting up his kickback scheme from the club system in country.
For you young guys we were in RVN a long time and there was an Officer/NCO club system like stateside on the larger US Divisional bases...lots of money spent, Fillipino bands, dancers, and drink til you passed out kind of deal.
He got a kickback from every band, club entertainment deal in country and made 100's of thousands of dollars while grunts were getting killed.
I met him at the SM Acad in the 80's and could not be civil with him or shake his hand...still can't.
He did some valourous stuff earlier but disgraced himself and his position.
McK did the same.
Surf n Turf
11-02-2010, 22:25
Slight correction....Wooldridge left the position of SMA and took MACV and was caught getting kickbacks...what is not said aloud is that he assigned all of the senior NCO's to RVN (club managers etc) as the SMA setting up his kickback scheme from the club system in country.
For you young guys we were in RVN a long time and there was an Officer/NCO club system like stateside on the larger US Divisional bases...lots of money spent, Fillipino bands, dancers, and drink til you passed out kind of deal.
He got a kickback from every band, club entertainment deal in country and made 100's of thousands of dollars while grunts were getting killed.
I met him at the SM Acad in the 80's and could not be civil with him or shake his hand...still can't.
He did some valourous stuff earlier but disgraced himself and his position.
McK did the same.
PRB,
IIRC there was a book written about the scam – Khaki Mafia by Robin Moore (in his pre Jack Idema days). It involved mostly Army NCO’s, (Club Custodians), and a few GO’s.
SnT
1stindoor
11-03-2010, 06:22
Being one of the most recent grads from taco tech, I can tell you that SMA(r) MCK still shows up and speaks regularly down there.
The one that reported him, made the initial complaint, was 6 months pregnant when McK conned her into sex.
After she came fwd the dam broke and many female soldiers/wives reported his advances etc.
While CSM McKinney was certainly in the wrong for what he did, I disagree with the use of the word "conned" here. These were all grown women, correct? They make their own decisions. To come forward after the fact and play victim is bullshit, IMHO. To come forward after sexual advances that were rejected is one thing, but to have sex with the guy and THEN want to tell your story and garner sympathy just sucks.
CDG,
I was a liaison to USAREUR when Mck was the CSM. Often saw him late at night in the bier tent at Patrick Henry Village and I can tell you he pressed some women pretty hard. Conned is not the right word perhaps but I believe they were definitely pressured and probably scared of him and his position. I have no issue with them coming forward later.
MVP
I have no issue with them coming forward later.
I agree.
There is always a complicated element of implied coercion in a superior-subordinate relationship like that in an organization. I saw the TSB CSM marry an SSG from the PLDC (which fell within the TSB's chain-of-command) he had bedded to avoid a 15-6 by the TSB CDR and I Chaptered out one of my Black Hats at Tower Branch for such behavior towards female students attending the BAC.
FWIW - it bothers me that politicians and professors seem so hesitant to police their own ranks over this issue.
And so it goes...
Richard's $.02 :munchin
MVP and Richard,
You are both correct. There is certainly a difference between being conned and feeling as though you have no other choice. An earlier post mentioned the CSM coming on to both Army wives and soldiers. For a young, female enlisted soldier to be pressured into a sexual encounter with the CSM is one thing. I can certainly see where he could have easily abused his position in order to make the girls feel that they had no choice but to give in. However, I feel differently about the wives. I suppose the CSM could have used the threat of ruining the husbands career, but I still am inclined to more harshly judge the wives than I am the soldiers.
drymartini66
11-03-2010, 14:42
Mck got canned for sexual abuse.
He used his postion to seduce Army wives/soldiers etc.
The one that reported him, made the initial complaint, was 6 months pregnant when McK conned her into sex.
After she came fwd the dam broke and many female soldiers/wives reported his advances etc.
Same as SMA Wooldridge who was 'let go' as SMA for running a kickback scam in RVN for contractors...used his position for monetary gain but the Army did not press charges for PR reasons.
I guess they forgot the sentence in the NCO creed, "I will not use my grade or position to attain pleasure, profit or personnal safety". My .02 cents.:mad:
The Reaper
11-03-2010, 14:51
McKinney betrayed his trust, his leaders, and his subordinates, and IMHO, was lucky to get out without additional punishment.
His personal misconduct is a stain on the professional reputation of the American NCO.
I personally think he got special treatment.
Not sure what the slug line incident was, unless he was losing it again.
TR
drymartini66
11-03-2010, 14:57
McKinney betrayed his trust, his leaders, and his subordinates, and IMHO, was lucky to get out without additional punishment.
His personal misconduct is a stain on the professional reputation of the American NCO.
I personally think he got special treatment.
Not sure what the slug line incident was, unless he was losing it again.
TR
I'll also throw in from the NCO creed, " I will not compromise my integrity, nor my moral courage". Hell, I think they forgot the whole creed for that matter.:mad:
Angry Mike
11-03-2010, 19:43
Gene McKinney is a POS. Flat out un-mitigated personal knowledge.
He doesn't deserve jack and shit. Reaper is 100% spot on in his assessment.
Pat knows him as well as I do from our time in EUCOM and in the upper NCO corps when he was SMA. That POS hit up on our USAF analyst in Brindisi and he was only there over night.
He did coerce Army wives with threats against their husbands. And when it came to trial, the VCSA had to make some hard decisions. No one had the same story and alcohol was involved. That POS ruined Army families and stained our values.
Why do you think we got that stupid Values card to carry?
And if you think that a SSG is gonna get out of retribution from the EUCOM CSM you are nutz. Who would of believed her?
And further more he kept it up as SMA! I am sure Morrell, Gates and Kidd want to kill that bastard for the dishonor he brought upon the office and our NCO's.
He should of got time in addition to loss of rank and forfeiture of pay.
Very Angry Mike
He should of got time in addition to loss of rank and forfeiture of pay.
Didn't lose too much pay, either. This deal sounds like sommething Congress would be upset about because they didn't dream it up for themselves first. :mad:
Richard
Full Pension Is Backed for Former Top Soldier
David Stout, NYT, 12 May 1998
Disgraced or not, the Army's former top enlisted soldier apparently will get full retirement benefits despite his recent conviction for obstructing justice in the sexual-harassment case against him.
Gene C. McKinney is entitled to retirement pay based on his former rank as Sergeant Major of the Army, rather than on the rank of master sergeant, to which he was demoted, Pentagon lawyers have concluded.
That opinion from the Department of Defense's Office of General Counsel was issued on April 21, and a Pentagon spokesman said today he was virtually certain the Army would follow it. Sergeant McKinney is expected to retire in September.
The Office of General Counsel said it had based its opinion on a law that protects the senior enlisted member of a military branch from reduction in retirement benefits if he is reduced in rank when he retires, regardless of why he was reduced. The law was meant to protect service members who reach top grades before they are ready to retire.
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/12/us/full-pension-is-backed-for-former-top-soldier.html?ref=gene_c_mckinney
What is the reasoning behind a law like that in the first place? Is there some reason why a top-ranked NCO would be demoted that does not involve misconduct/criminal behavior?
It has since been rescinded - I can only think that it was enacted to protect the office and not the men who inhabit that office...much like similar cases involving the Office of the POTUS.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Ret10Echo
04-21-2011, 20:39
Some people just seem to be an example of how NOT to live quietly in the shadows.
For those of you not in the D.C. metro area...Slugging is a method of commuting where a driver will go to a designated area to pick up additional passengers (slugs) inbound or outbound from the Washington Metro area. This allows the driver to travel in the HOV lanes that require two or three passengers to be in the vehicle. There are very strict, unwritten "rules" about how driver and passenger are to conduct themselves while slugging. This is not an example of what to do....
Former sgt. maj. of the Army indicted in slug incident
Thursday - 4/21/2011, 3:24pm ET
McKinney, who held the Army's highest enlisted rank from 1995 to 1997, is due in court Thursday morning.
Neal Augenstein, wtop.com
WASHINGTON -- WTOP has learned the former sergeant major of the Army charged with driving 95 miles an hour, then striking a slug passenger who had demanded to be let out, has now been indicted.
Court records show Gene McKinney has been indicted for malicious wounding, which is a felony, and reckless driving, which is a misdemeanor.
McKinney picked up two slug passengers, near Route 123 in Quantico, in November.
In an earlier hearing, the slug passenger described McKinney's growing angry and belligerent. After getting out of the car and trying to enter McKinney's license plate into his Blackberry, the passenger says McKinney gunned the car and drove into him, causing a concussion.
McKinney and his attorney had no comment after a brief hearing in Arlington County Circuit Court. A June 27 jury trial was scheduled.
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Original article located here (http://wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2354554)
Nice...
When I see crap like this it makes me wonder if maybe the reason that this turd got preferential treatment is because he probably had dirt on someone that just wanted him to go away before he spilled the beans.
In DC slug lines or slugging is a form of carpooling. There are area where "slugs" hang out (very organized, set location) and you as a car owner stop by and pick one or two up to share the ride. This allows you, the car owner, to move into the HOV lanes and get to work faster. This gives someone, the slug, a ride to work.
A very common practice in DC, the unique aspect of this practice is both parties in the carpool, the car owner and the slug, are complete strangers.
What the CSM was doing with this is anyone's guess.
Slight correction....Wooldridge left the position of SMA and took MACV and was caught getting kickbacks...what is not said aloud is that he assigned all of the senior NCO's to RVN (club managers etc) as the SMA setting up his kickback scheme from the club system in country.
For you young guys we were in RVN a long time and there was an Officer/NCO club system like stateside on the larger US Divisional bases...lots of money spent, Fillipino bands, dancers, and drink til you passed out kind of deal.
He got a kickback from every band, club entertainment deal in country and made 100's of thousands of dollars while grunts were getting killed.
I met him at the SM Acad in the 80's and could not be civil with him or shake his hand...still can't.
He did some valourous stuff earlier but disgraced himself and his position.
McK did the same.
SGM Wooldridge was the 24th Division in Augsberg, Germany prior to being the first SMA. He took kickbacks from the slot machines and from the club NCOs
in the 24th Division, too. Every Friday afternoon the NCOs had "NCO Call" at the local club where drinking was permitted and gammbling on the slots was encouraged. He had the backing of the Division Provost Martial who would go on to being the PM for MACV and who was Court Martialled for his involvement with Wooldridge.
SGM Wooldridge was the 24th Division in Augsberg, Germany prior to being the first SMA. He took kickbacks from the slot machines and from the club NCOs
in the 24th Division, too. Every Friday afternoon the NCOs had "NCO Call" at the local club where drinking was permitted and gammbling on the slots was encouraged. He had the backing of the Division Provost Martial who would go on to being the PM for MACV and who was Court Martialled for his involvement with Wooldridge.
He was a great combat soldier but obviously had a major character flaw when it came to money/troops.
Would have been a great Mafia Capo.
Sadly, we still allow Wool and McK to still hang around, speechify etc just because they were the SMA.
Ret10Echo
10-02-2011, 18:14
Closing it out...:munchin
Former Army Sgt. Maj. to plead in slug incident
Sunday - 10/2/2011, 10:37am ET
Neal Augenstein, wtop.com
WASHINGTON - Former Sgt. Maj. of the Army Gene McKinney will enter a plea, rather than stand trial for allegedly striking a slug passenger who demanded to be let out of McKinney's car in Oct. 2010, WTOP has learned.
Court records show McKinney will enter a plea in Arlington Circuit Court Tuesday morning. His jury trial was scheduled to begin Monday.
McKinney was indicted in April 2011 for malicious wounding - a felony, and reckless driving - a misdemeanor.
article here (http://wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2573270)
Closing it out...:munchin
article here (http://wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2573270)
You can bet he pled down the felony charge. We will have to see what the final outcome is.