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Richard
10-04-2010, 11:20
Is a 'Back to the Future' scenario coming to bases near you soon? :confused:

Richard :munchin

Army Vice Chief GEN Chiarelli: Programs Will Be Terminated

A sweeping review of Army weapon systems will most likely result in program terminations, said the Army’s Vice Chief of Staff Gen. Peter Chiarelli.

“You will see some” cancellations in the near future as Army senior officials complete a so-called “portfolio” review of key weapon systems, Chiarelli told reporters today at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C.

The year-long review started in February and is turning out to be far more comprehensive and complex than anyone had anticipated, said Chiarelli. One of the themes that has emerged from the review is that the Army has to change its budgeting process and the way it acquires equipment.

“In less than a year we’ve been able to identify areas where we can make changes and eliminate redundancies or outdated requirements,” Chiarelli said. The Army, for instance, is wasting money on systems that already exist within the service or in other branches of the military. New weapon requirements often are conceived “in a stovepipe,” Chiarelli said. That approach prevents the Army from taking advantage of technology that is already being purchased elsewhere. On that basis, the Army does not need to keep every program it currently has in the acquisition pipeline, he added.

“You can make just about anything sound really good if you look at it all by itself,” he said. A case in point is precision-guided munitions. The Army is buying PGMs with features that overlap those of other systems, he said. As budgets get tighter, the Army must end these wasteful practices, said Chiarelli.

In a speech in July, Chiarelli specifically cited the Excalibur artillery munition as an example of a weapon that may be nice to have but whose price tag is tough to justify. He noted that Excalibur is the most accurate artillery projectile in the Army's inventory, but at $100,000 per round :eek: , it may be unaffordable. It can hit targets to within 10 meters from ranges of about 40 kilometers. By comparison, the accuracy of $600 apiece conventional artillery shells is about 50 meters.

Similar reviews are under way for every category of Army equipment. “Each one has brought to light amazing things, not just what we should buy but how we should buy,” Chiarelli said at the Heritage conference.

It is also likely that the Army will be buying fewer trucks and unmanned aircraft, Chiarelli said. The demand for unmanned aircraft in war zones remains high, but the Army still may reduce future purchases. It will continue to deploy aircraft to meet war commanders’ needs but fewer systems will be left behind in the United States for training, Chiarelli said.

A major determinant in how much equipment the Army will acquire in the future is a possible return to the division-based organization. When the Army was made over six years ago from a division- to a brigade-based structure, equipment demand soared because each brigade had to be outfitted with enough vehicles and aircraft. Now the Army is reconsidering the modular brigade makeup simply because it is too expensive to maintain and in some cases there are not enough resources to supply every brigade, Chiarelli said.

The Army will have 158,000 Humvee trucks by 2012, and it is not clear why such a high number is needed, Chiarelli said. “A lot of that [growth in the Humvee fleet] had to do with moving to a modular force,” he said. It has now become clear that the modular force is “not as efficient as a division-based force when it comes to equipment,” he explained. Whereas in a division, equipment can be allocated to units based on need, “When you break into brigades, you have to provide the capability to each and every one of the brigades.”

The Army Training and Doctrine Command is expected to offer recommendations over the next six to nine months for possibly doing away or partially modifying the modular brigade structure, Chiarelli said. “I’m not telegraphing any changes we’re going to make,” he said. But after six years of combat experience with the modular brigades, it’s time to “take a look,” said Chiarelli. But he insisted that the changeover to modular brigades six years ago was not a mistake. “The success of modularization should be questioned by anyone. … I don’t believe we could have done what we did [in Iraq and Afghanistan] with the division structure.”

Chiarelli also called for change in the way the Army acquires new technology. The current acquisition process makes it difficult to incorporate the latest advances from the commercial industry into Army equipment, he said. He is frustrated by the inability of the Army to grab technology from the open market and make it available to soldiers quickly, before it becomes obsolete. Chiarelli often has cited the iPhone as an example of how the Army should develop technology. The process, he said, has to be more nimble to accommodate improvements. The upshot may be that the Army will end up buying smaller quantities of systems so it can more easily and less expensively replace them when something better comes along.

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/blog/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=206

drymartini66
10-04-2010, 22:55
Is a 'Back to the Future' scenario coming to bases near you soon? :confused:

Richard :munchin

Army Vice Chief GEN Chiarelli: Programs Will Be Terminated

A sweeping review of Army weapon systems will most likely result in program terminations, said the Army’s Vice Chief of Staff Gen. Peter Chiarelli.

“You will see some” cancellations in the near future as Army senior officials complete a so-called “portfolio” review of key weapon systems, Chiarelli told reporters today at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C.

The year-long review started in February and is turning out to be far more comprehensive and complex than anyone had anticipated, said Chiarelli. One of the themes that has emerged from the review is that the Army has to change its budgeting process and the way it acquires equipment.

“In less than a year we’ve been able to identify areas where we can make changes and eliminate redundancies or outdated requirements,” Chiarelli said. The Army, for instance, is wasting money on systems that already exist within the service or in other branches of the military. New weapon requirements often are conceived “in a stovepipe,” Chiarelli said. That approach prevents the Army from taking advantage of technology that is already being purchased elsewhere. On that basis, the Army does not need to keep every program it currently has in the acquisition pipeline, he added.

“You can make just about anything sound really good if you look at it all by itself,” he said. A case in point is precision-guided munitions. The Army is buying PGMs with features that overlap those of other systems, he said. As budgets get tighter, the Army must end these wasteful practices, said Chiarelli.

In a speech in July, Chiarelli specifically cited the Excalibur artillery munition as an example of a weapon that may be nice to have but whose price tag is tough to justify. He noted that Excalibur is the most accurate artillery projectile in the Army's inventory, but at $100,000 per round :eek: , it may be unaffordable. It can hit targets to within 10 meters from ranges of about 40 kilometers. By comparison, the accuracy of $600 apiece conventional artillery shells is about 50 meters.

Similar reviews are under way for every category of Army equipment. “Each one has brought to light amazing things, not just what we should buy but how we should buy,” Chiarelli said at the Heritage conference.

It is also likely that the Army will be buying fewer trucks and unmanned aircraft, Chiarelli said. The demand for unmanned aircraft in war zones remains high, but the Army still may reduce future purchases. It will continue to deploy aircraft to meet war commanders’ needs but fewer systems will be left behind in the United States for training, Chiarelli said.

A major determinant in how much equipment the Army will acquire in the future is a possible return to the division-based organization. When the Army was made over six years ago from a division- to a brigade-based structure, equipment demand soared because each brigade had to be outfitted with enough vehicles and aircraft. Now the Army is reconsidering the modular brigade makeup simply because it is too expensive to maintain and in some cases there are not enough resources to supply every brigade, Chiarelli said.

The Army will have 158,000 Humvee trucks by 2012, and it is not clear why such a high number is needed, Chiarelli said. “A lot of that [growth in the Humvee fleet] had to do with moving to a modular force,” he said. It has now become clear that the modular force is “not as efficient as a division-based force when it comes to equipment,” he explained. Whereas in a division, equipment can be allocated to units based on need, “When you break into brigades, you have to provide the capability to each and every one of the brigades.”

The Army Training and Doctrine Command is expected to offer recommendations over the next six to nine months for possibly doing away or partially modifying the modular brigade structure, Chiarelli said. “I’m not telegraphing any changes we’re going to make,” he said. But after six years of combat experience with the modular brigades, it’s time to “take a look,” said Chiarelli. But he insisted that the changeover to modular brigades six years ago was not a mistake. “The success of modularization should be questioned by anyone. … I don’t believe we could have done what we did [in Iraq and Afghanistan] with the division structure.”

Chiarelli also called for change in the way the Army acquires new technology. The current acquisition process makes it difficult to incorporate the latest advances from the commercial industry into Army equipment, he said. He is frustrated by the inability of the Army to grab technology from the open market and make it available to soldiers quickly, before it becomes obsolete. Chiarelli often has cited the iPhone as an example of how the Army should develop technology. The process, he said, has to be more nimble to accommodate improvements. The upshot may be that the Army will end up buying smaller quantities of systems so it can more easily and less expensively replace them when something better comes along.

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/blog/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=206
Hmm...I wonder if will see some old divisions reactivated?:munchin

Pete
10-05-2010, 04:35
Hmm...I wonder if will see some old divisions reactivated?:munchin

No, but just think about it. Support.

Take all the stand alone Brigades, remove their support assets and put them at Division.

Have we really gone back to the old days? No. Back in the old days Divisions only had 3 brigades. Now most have 4.

It was a long hard slog to get the extra troops. Now what happens?

Remember prior to 2006? The cry was ".....The troops are worn out. Stretched too thin, etc, etc. We need more troops. Since they are deploying as Brigades they need their own support........"

The cry now is we need to save money. "Pinch a few million dollars out of defense and we can spend it and billions more on social programs." Thats the liberal cry of today.

drymartini66
10-05-2010, 21:34
No, but just think about it. Support.

Take all the stand alone Brigades, remove their support assets and put them at Division.

Have we really gone back to the old days? No. Back in the old days Divisions only had 3 brigades. Now most have 4.

It was a long hard slog to get the extra troops. Now what happens?

Remember prior to 2006? The cry was ".....The troops are worn out. Stretched too thin, etc, etc. We need more troops. Since they are deploying as Brigades they need their own support........"

The cry now is we need to save money. "Pinch a few million dollars out of defense and we can spend it and billions more on social programs." Thats the liberal cry of today.
Agreed. It will be intersting times for the military in the next few years and I don't think they will be good ones.:mad:

alright4u
10-06-2010, 21:03
Is a 'Back to the Future' scenario coming to bases near you soon? :confused:

Richard :munchin

Army Vice Chief GEN Chiarelli: Programs Will Be Terminated

A sweeping review of Army weapon systems will most likely result in program terminations, said the Army’s Vice Chief of Staff Gen. Peter Chiarelli.

“You will see some” cancellations in the near future as Army senior officials complete a so-called “portfolio” review of key weapon systems, Chiarelli told reporters today at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C.

The year-long review started in February and is turning out to be far more comprehensive and complex than anyone had anticipated, said Chiarelli. One of the themes that has emerged from the review is that the Army has to change its budgeting process and the way it acquires equipment.

“In less than a year we’ve been able to identify areas where we can make changes and eliminate redundancies or outdated requirements,” Chiarelli said. The Army, for instance, is wasting money on systems that already exist within the service or in other branches of the military. New weapon requirements often are conceived “in a stovepipe,” Chiarelli said. That approach prevents the Army from taking advantage of technology that is already being purchased elsewhere. On that basis, the Army does not need to keep every program it currently has in the acquisition pipeline, he added.

“You can make just about anything sound really good if you look at it all by itself,” he said. A case in point is precision-guided munitions. The Army is buying PGMs with features that overlap those of other systems, he said. As budgets get tighter, the Army must end these wasteful practices, said Chiarelli.

In a speech in July, Chiarelli specifically cited the Excalibur artillery munition as an example of a weapon that may be nice to have but whose price tag is tough to justify. He noted that Excalibur is the most accurate artillery projectile in the Army's inventory, but at $100,000 per round :eek: , it may be unaffordable. It can hit targets to within 10 meters from ranges of about 40 kilometers. By comparison, the accuracy of $600 apiece conventional artillery shells is about 50 meters.

Similar reviews are under way for every category of Army equipment. “Each one has brought to light amazing things, not just what we should buy but how we should buy,” Chiarelli said at the Heritage conference.

It is also likely that the Army will be buying fewer trucks and unmanned aircraft, Chiarelli said. The demand for unmanned aircraft in war zones remains high, but the Army still may reduce future purchases. It will continue to deploy aircraft to meet war commanders’ needs but fewer systems will be left behind in the United States for training, Chiarelli said.

A major determinant in how much equipment the Army will acquire in the future is a possible return to the division-based organization. When the Army was made over six years ago from a division- to a brigade-based structure, equipment demand soared because each brigade had to be outfitted with enough vehicles and aircraft. Now the Army is reconsidering the modular brigade makeup simply because it is too expensive to maintain and in some cases there are not enough resources to supply every brigade, Chiarelli said.

The Army will have 158,000 Humvee trucks by 2012, and it is not clear why such a high number is needed, Chiarelli said. “A lot of that [growth in the Humvee fleet] had to do with moving to a modular force,” he said. It has now become clear that the modular force is “not as efficient as a division-based force when it comes to equipment,” he explained. Whereas in a division, equipment can be allocated to units based on need, “When you break into brigades, you have to provide the capability to each and every one of the brigades.”

The Army Training and Doctrine Command is expected to offer recommendations over the next six to nine months for possibly doing away or partially modifying the modular brigade structure, Chiarelli said. “I’m not telegraphing any changes we’re going to make,” he said. But after six years of combat experience with the modular brigades, it’s time to “take a look,” said Chiarelli. But he insisted that the changeover to modular brigades six years ago was not a mistake. “The success of modularization should be questioned by anyone. … I don’t believe we could have done what we did [in Iraq and Afghanistan] with the division structure.”

Chiarelli also called for change in the way the Army acquires new technology. The current acquisition process makes it difficult to incorporate the latest advances from the commercial industry into Army equipment, he said. He is frustrated by the inability of the Army to grab technology from the open market and make it available to soldiers quickly, before it becomes obsolete. Chiarelli often has cited the iPhone as an example of how the Army should develop technology. The process, he said, has to be more nimble to accommodate improvements. The upshot may be that the Army will end up buying smaller quantities of systems so it can more easily and less expensively replace them when something better comes along.

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/blog/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=206

This overpaid ass is a fool. The iphone has no damn controls like the blackberry to keep the user in the company's , Army's net. Giving iphones out is negligence. This Gen needs to pass a few corporate security courses. Hell give them 32 phones at 900 bucks a whack. Does the Gen have a contract with Apple or AT&T like Shinseki had with his POS Stryker builders? Great security on that iphone Gen.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10299378-245.html

Richard
10-07-2010, 05:39
The GO is talking about the streamlining of the acquisition process so it is more responsive like Apple's - not acquiring or issuing iPhones.

The current system is outlined ( :rolleyes: ) in the chart shown at the link below - :eek: - there's gotta be a better way.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/09/revealed-pentagons-craziest-powerpoint-slide-ever/

Richard :munchin