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akv
09-10-2010, 22:04
Beer Summit 3.0 ?

Obama Rejects Hillary Clinton Mexico-Colombia Comparison
Categories: Government, Politics, Foreign News
08:39 pm

September 9, 2010

by FRANK JAMES

President Barack Obama publicly rejected Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's comparison of Mexico to narco-terror, insurgency-racked Colombia of 20 years ago.
A day after his secretary of state likened Mexico to Columbia in the bad old days of 20 years ago, a narco state struggling with an insurgency at the same time, President Barack Obama rejected the comparison.

Reuters reports that Obama made the comments to La Opinion, a Los Angeles-based Spanish language newspaper. According to the news service, a transcript of the interview was available only in Spanish from the White House. No English-language version was handy.


A Reuters excerpt:

"Mexico is vast and progressive democracy, with a growing economy, and as a result you cannot compare what is happening in Mexico with what happened in Colombia 20 years ago," Obamatold Los Angeles-based Spanish language newspaper La Opinion.

Obama's comments were printed in Spanish and no English transcript was available from the White House.

Clinton made her comments Wednesday after a speech at the Council on Foreign Relations in response to question. Speaking of Mexico, she said:

... We face an increasing threat from a well-organized network drug trafficking threat that is, in some cases, morphing into or making common cause with what we would consider an insurgency in Mexico and in Central America.

And we are working very hard to assist the Mexicans in improving their law enforcement and their intelligence, their capacity to detain and prosecute those whom they arrest. I give President Calderon very high marks for his courage and his commitment. This is a really tough challenge. And these drug cartels are now showing more and more indices of insurgency; all of a sudden, car bombs show up which weren’t there before.

So it’s becoming – it’s looking more and more like Colombia looked 20 years ago, where the narco-traffickers control certain parts of the country, not significant parts. And Colombia – it got to the point where more than a third of the country, nearly 40 percent of the country at one time or another was controlled by the insurgents, by FARC. But it’s going to take a combination of improved institutional capacity and better law enforcement and, where appropriate, military support for that law enforcement married to political will to be able to prevent this from spreading and to try to beat it back.

The administration spent Thursday trying to clean up the Clinton's comments.

For instance, a State Department official who spoke to reporters on the condition that his name wouldn't be used, said Clinton was being misinterpreted, that she wasn't suggesting Mexico had a political insurgency like Colombia did.

But the comments by the president amounted to a major public correction of his one-time rival for the presidency.

Considering how rancid the campaign for the Democratic nomination between them was, the public relationship between the president and Clinton has seemed more tranquil than many observers would have predicted.

Still, the president's blunt public rejection of Clinton's framing of the Mexico crisis will no doubt have some observers wondering of there are growing strains between the president and the nation's chief diplomat.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/09/09/129760276/obama-rejects-hillary-clinton-mexico-colombia-comparison

JJ_BPK
09-11-2010, 05:49
Day-Jerk-View.

I saw this yesterday in the Freaking News and said to self..

"Self, That may come in handy"


And we both agreed.. :D:munchin:D

dadof18x'er
09-11-2010, 06:37
Day-Jerk-View.

I saw this yesterday in the Freaking News and said to self..

"Self, That may come in handy"


And we both agreed.. :D:munchin:D

I would wager she challenges him for the nomination coming up.

Team Sergeant
09-12-2010, 11:20
Nothing going on in mexico......

Mass murder, targeting and killing political leaders, execution of judges, lawyers and journalists. 10's of thousands killed in just the last few years. Drug cartels that openly take on the mexican military. Hit squads that work in the United States. Arizona ranking highest in kidnapping and executions because of illegal mexicans.

Nope, everything is just fine in mexico.

obama, the great sugar-coater...

Pete
09-12-2010, 11:36
Mexican Police Neutralize Car Bomb In Border City

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103181125

"Mexican police carried out the controlled detonation of a car bomb Saturday in the troubled border city of Ciudad Juarez, across from Texas.

A phone tip around midnight led authorities to a dead body in a car in a shopping center parking lot, the federal Public Safety Department said in a statement. In a second car, police found the bomb............"

Just another fun filled day south of the bourder.

dr. mabuse
09-12-2010, 11:58
Can't we send some individuals with "special" training to head south in Texas and Arizona to study, observe and advise?

We wouldn't want to get in the way of the Washington crowd that has everything, um, under control.

To paraphrase Napolitano, the border is as safe as it ever was.

More like same as it ever was, with apologies to David Byrne.

I guess we'll have to settle with the usual pontificating things to death until it gets soooo bad, some form of direct action by civilians and/or LEO's takes place.

I'm just sayin'. :munchin

Sigaba
09-12-2010, 13:15
IMO, this specific incident and Secretary of State Clinton's assessment of Mexico will end up being one of the present administration's biggest mistakes.

Team Sergeant
09-12-2010, 13:36
Can't we send some individuals with "special" training to head south in Texas and Arizona to study, observe and advise?

We wouldn't want to get in the way of the Washington crowd that has everything, um, under control.

To paraphrase Napolitano, the border is as safe as it ever was.

More like same as it ever was, with apologies to David Byrne.

I guess we'll have to settle with the usual pontificating things to death until it gets soooo bad, some form of direct action by civilians and/or LEO's takes place.

I'm just sayin'. :munchin

Funny you should mention that, the US Army Special Forces did just that back in the nineties by order of none other than "bill Slick Wille clinton (I never had sex with that woman!)
If I recall correctly the 7th SFG did the training directed by the administration, and guess what happened?

After the training many of the specially trained mexican special operations personnel decided to go to work for the drug cartels. The US military and US Border Patrol started seeing techniques and tactics never seen before by the drug cartels such as head-shots from great distances and the employment of recon teams, heavily armed drug escorts etc. Techniques and tactics taught by the US Army Special Forces personnel.

And yes there was "concern" that if we taught them advanced techniques and tactics it would be used against us, the reply, "Train them anyway".

Thanks Slick Willie.



Tom Clancy has the right answer in his books..... target and kill the drug leaders. The reason we don't do this is that we'd end up targeting a large number of mexican politicians and military. Then the question would be where do you stop? Especially when you find out that the "silent partner" of a very large and powerful drug cartel is a high ranking mexican politician......

While the US military cannot gather intelligence on US citizens we did/do gather intel on the mexicans, trust me, most are corrupt, very very corrupt. The ones that are not corrupt (very few) are targeted and killed by the cartels.

I was Special Forces Command, Counter-Drug Desk Officer 98-99. I went on many national and international counter-drug conferences concerning the drug problem.

DinDinA-2
09-12-2010, 14:19
One more reason that Ms Clinton will quit her current post at the end of year 3...and begin campaigning.

Just a thought I had at the beginning of year 1.

Sigaba
09-12-2010, 15:23
I would wager she challenges him for the nomination coming up.

One more reason that Ms Clinton will quit her current post at the end of year 3...and begin campaigning.

Just a thought I had at the beginning of year 1.While Mrs. Clinton throwing her hat in the ring would make things interesting, :D is this move a realistic possibility? Senator Kennedy tried to torpedo President Carter during the 1980 presidential campaign and that didn't work out too well for Democrats.:)

dr. mabuse
09-12-2010, 16:34
TS, I can't begin to imagine your frustration you may have had given the boundaries and restrictions that you and yours must have to deal with.

My comments were a simplistic/unrealistic wish that will probably never happen.

Although innocent people get in the way and get killed by criminals often enough anyway, the foreign criminal spillover into the U.S. is a sore spot. They come, they rape, rob and murder, make bail ( especially by the liberal judges here in Dallas/Ft.Worth ) then disappear down south, usually forever.

That they are setting up shop in southern Arizona ( with impunity it appears ) pisses me off all the more.

Understandably, my "moral flexibility" regarding dealing with criminals ( within the bounds of the law ) makes a very poor candidate for military or LE service.

The law doesn't say I can't enjoy the act of defending myself or my family. So be it. ;)

Richard
09-12-2010, 17:05
Free Market economics - follow the $$.

Richard :munchin

BMT (RIP)
09-12-2010, 17:15
Dick Morris said Hill will resign in March 2011.

:D

:munchin

BMT

Paslode
09-12-2010, 18:29
Nothing going on in mexico......

Mass murder, targeting and killing political leaders, execution of judges, lawyers and journalists. 10's of thousands killed in just the last few years. Drug cartels that openly take on the mexican military. Hit squads that work in the United States. Arizona ranking highest in kidnapping and executions because of illegal mexicans.

That's what I call progress and Democratic ;)

Razor
09-14-2010, 09:36
IMO, this specific incident and Secretary of State Clinton's assessment of Mexico will end up being one of the present administration's biggest mistakes.

With what part of Clinton's assessment do you find fault?

Sigaba
09-14-2010, 10:51
With what part of Clinton's assessment do you find fault?QP Razor--

My apologies. I was enraged at the president when I wrote that post. I agree with Secretary of State Clinton's comparison of Mexico to Columbia.

The mistake this president is making is to disregard her advice. The citizens of America and Mexico will continue to pay the price for his indifference.

As others have said: Nothing to see here. (Just slaughtered bodies and destroyed lives.)

MONEY$LAVE209
09-14-2010, 12:07
The demand in the US is the issue in my opinion. It is so strong that these cartels are making billions and using that money to put politicians and law enforcement in their pocket. Those that dont accept get killed. They hire people off the streets through internet, radio, and banner adverts. Meanwhile the common man down south continues to live a pretty sorry existence harassed by terrorist cartels and inept and corrupt politicians. I say legalize drugs in the US. Set up specific areas for "hard" drug use with education and treatment options. Legalize "soft" drugs for home use. The money we dump into mexico we can use to address the issues that arise from the change (increase education, rehab, law enforcement). The US needs to acknowledge its drug use and deal with it on our soil. Cut the cartels out of the picture. Just my 2 cents.

ZonieDiver
09-14-2010, 14:16
I never thought I'd see the day when I desperately wished Hillary Clinton were POTUS! :(

Sigaba
09-14-2010, 14:35
I never thought I'd see the day when I desperately wished Hillary Clinton were POTUS! :(My criticisms of Mrs. Clinton are many. However, I believed that if had she won the presidency in 2008, she would have the will to pick the necessary choice over the politically expedient option when it came to matters of national security.

After all, the woman has dodged snipers' bullets.

cowboykpy
09-14-2010, 15:47
There are many in and out of the TX Military Forces that stand ready to defend our state/national border. Gov. Perry has requested troops, but it seems the request was belayed until the federal order comes down.

Clinton, I think, was spot on.

Razor
09-15-2010, 07:20
I was enraged at the president when I wrote that post. I agree with Secretary of State Clinton's comparison of Mexico to Columbia.

Gotcha.

Richard
09-15-2010, 07:29
I agree with Secretary of State Clinton's comparison of Mexico to Columbia.

Columbia or Colombia? :confused:

I would disagree with the former but would strongly agree with the latter. ;)

Richard :munchin

1stindoor
09-15-2010, 07:45
Columbia or Colombia? :confused:

I would disagree with the former but would strongly agree with the latter. ;)

Richard :munchin

Crap...beat me to it...you're typing too fast this morning. I was about to do a recon in South Carolina.