View Full Version : Islamization' of Paris a Warning to the West
Irish_Army01
09-03-2010, 07:28
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PARIS - Friday in Paris. A hidden camera shows streets blocked by huge crowds of Muslim worshippers and enforced by a private security force.
This is all illegal in France: the public worship, the blocked streets, and the private security. But the police have been ordered not to intervene.
It shows that even though some in the French government want to get tough with Muslims and ban the burqa, other parts of the French government continue to give Islam a privileged status.
An ordinary French citizen who has been watching the Islamization of Paris decided that the world needed to see what was happening to his city. He used a hidden camera to start posting videos on YouTube. His life has been threatened and so he uses the alias of "Maxime Lepante. "
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/201...g-to-the-West/
Hey Irish,
Thats not surprising. I am sure we will see it here. That is what has happened in all of Europe. It's sad how quickly the French have forgotten the Nazi march down the tree lined champs elysees. Maybe they should remove the trees.BTW.... the link isn't working.
Slainte'
Link to the article:
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2010/August/Islamization-of-Paris-a-Warning-to-the-West/
Paraphrasing a French politician interviewed by CBN, "Islam is not compatible with life in a modern society."
It's sad how quickly the French have forgotten the Nazi march down the tree lined Champs Elysees.Not every Frenchman was in the French resistance--that is, until the war ended.;)
Not every Frenchman was was in the French resistance--that is, until the war ended.;)
Yes Sigaba, I know. I was in school when they were still actually teaching history. ;)
SF-TX, thanks. You must have corrected the link, its working now.
<heavy sigh> After watching that video and hearing the words, "it is France adapting to Islam", it scares me to think when I may hear those words uttered here. AND...will anyone listen? Polygemy, welfare to boot...they are bankrupting France?! And see that praying in the street..enmass...is frightening. I see it as a show of force, nothing more. I guarantee you that followers of any other religion would ever be allowed to do that. But yet, people still want to defend them.
But yet, people still want to defend them.
That's the problem in a nutshell.
The West believes in religious freedom. The Islamics claim their actions involve precisely that. They also assert that everyone worships the same god, again invoking the principle of religious freedom.
The key issue, however, is not religion but behavior. The West has not, apparently, developed the will to differentiate between the two. If we are to prevail, we will, IMO, find it necessary to prohibit a variety of behaviors by Islamics. I won't hold my breath. :(
That's the problem in a nutshell.
The West believes in religious freedom. The Islamics claim their actions involve precisely that. They also assert that everyone worships the same god, again invoking the principle of religious freedom.
The key issue, however, is not religion but behavior. The West has not, apparently, developed the will to differentiate between the two. If we are to prevail, we will, IMO, find it necessary to prohibit a variety of behaviors by Islamics. I won't hold my breath. :(
Nmap, I agree. Nor has the West learned to differentiate between what is a religion and what is ideology. I think the definitions of them are quite clear. I won't hold my breath either. I think we have seen and heard plenty of scholars who have either grown up as former muslims or who have studied it just for the sake of studying it ...say plenty! They have tried to teach and inform and yet, The West has continued to turn a blind eye and a deaf year because it's just NOT PC. So why is it ok for the muslims to do what they do but not let 4 young Christian men give out pamphlets about Jesus in Dearborn, MI?
People continue to argue that if we don't let them practice their "religion" then we are violating their constitutional right. On that note, one could argue, or rather re-argue the whole stance on the "separation of church and state" on a new level. My argument would be, if we indeed have that separation, then it is not up to the government to protect them. Because, by protecting them, they are infusing the will of the government into religion (providing that you believe that islam is a religion and not an ideology). Moreover, if defending the rights of the muslims is the way to go, then you are in fact providing aid and comfort to the enemy who's belief is that islam should rule the world. The only way to rule the world is by taking over..one city, county, state, country at a time. AND by doing so, wholeheartedly violating your own constitution, thus one would, perhaps, consider it treason?
<whew> did that make sense?
Entire post.If one accepts the debatable premise that Islam is an 'ideology' and not a religion, then how is it any more or less aggressive, more dangerous, or more effective at spreading itself than any other ideology?
If Islam is an ideology, does its persistence testify to its strength--or to its enduring social, cultural, economic, and strategic weaknesses?
If one accepts the debatable premise that Islam is an 'ideology' and not a religion, then how is it any more or less aggressive, more dangerous, or more effective at spreading itself than any other ideology?
If Islam is an ideology, does its persistence testify to its strength--or to its enduring social, cultural, economic, and strategic weaknesses?
I doubt it's much worse than was Pol Pot's ideology - though it does seem more persistent.
However, if one really needs a picture of the dangers of Islam, one need only examine their handiwork. Here's a LINK (http://articles.cnn.com/2010-08-04/world/afghanistan.mutilated.girl.update_1_afghan-women-afghan-woman-taliban?_s=PM:WORLD).
Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion--several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven....The higher animals have no religion. And we are told that they are going to be left out in the Hereafter. I wonder why? It seems questionable taste.
- Mark Twain, "The Lowest Animal"
Mr Clemons knew what he was talking about.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Irish_Army01
09-03-2010, 16:30
Link to the article:
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2010/August/Islamization-of-Paris-a-Warning-to-the-West/
Paraphrasing a French politician interviewed by CBN, "Islam is not compatible with life in a modern society."
Thanks for reposting the Link;)
However, if one really needs a picture of the dangers of Islam, one need only examine their handiwork. Here's a LINK (http://articles.cnn.com/2010-08-04/world/afghanistan.mutilated.girl.update_1_afghan-women-afghan-woman-taliban?_s=PM:WORLD).nmap--
With respect, the logic of your argument is unclear. Is violence against women any more or less repugnant when it is conducted by Muslims? Is it America's job to spread its standards of civilized behavior globally?
nmap--
With respect, the logic of your argument is unclear. Is violence against women any more or less repugnant when it is conducted by Muslims? Is it America's job to spread its standards of civilized behavior globally?
Let me try again.
The current actions of several subsets of the Islamic superset are suggestive of behavior patterns which may represent a risk to societies which permit population increases among the Islamic elements of such societies, whether through immigration or conversion.
Please note the occurrence of so-called honor killings in the U.S. LINK (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-11-29-honor-killings-in-the-US_N.htm)
Such actions are of a piece with the earlier link showing the woman with her nose and ears cut off.
One can argue what level of risk exists; however, the evidence indicates Islamics have behaviors which do represent some risk.
Is violence against women any more or less repugnant when it is conducted by Muslims?
IMO, it’s just as repugnant or more so since it is condoned throughout Islamic Law and Islamic society. Gender inequity and the oppression of women is rooted in the teachings of Islam and it’s disgusting…
The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women." (Bukhari 7:62:33)
"Men are overseers over women, by reason of that wherewith Allah hath made one of them excel over another, and by reason of that which they expend of their substance. Wherefore righteous women are obedient, and are watchers in husbands absence by the aid and protection of Allah. And those wives whose refractoriness ye fear, exhort them, and avoid them in beds, and beat them; but if they obey you, seek not a way against them; verily Allah is ever Lofty, Grand." (Sura 4:34 - Medina)
( أضربوهن (used in 4:34) Idriboohunna Beat them )
Sharia Law:
m10.12 Dealing with a rebellious wife
…He may hit her whether she is rebellious only once, though a weaker opinion holds that he may not hit her unless there is repeated rebelliousness.
(Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law pg 541 & pgs. 506-553. Book N on Divorce is really interesting)
Is it America's job to spread its standards of civilized behavior globally?
Should we accept and support misogyny, or should we look the other way?
IMO, it’s just as repugnant or more so since it is condoned throughout Islamic Law and Islamic society. Gender inequity and the oppression of women is rooted in the teachings of Islam and it’s disgusting…
The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women." (Bukhari 7:62:33)
"Men are overseers over women, by reason of that wherewith Allah hath made one of them excel over another, and by reason of that which they expend of their substance. Wherefore righteous women are obedient, and are watchers in husbands absence by the aid and protection of Allah. And those wives whose refractoriness ye fear, exhort them, and avoid them in beds, and beat them; but if they obey you, seek not a way against them; verily Allah is ever Lofty, Grand." (Sura 4:34 - Medina)
( أضربوهن (used in 4:34) Idriboohunna Beat them )
Sharia Law:
m10.12 Dealing with a rebellious wife
…He may hit her whether she is rebellious only once, though a weaker opinion holds that he may not hit her unless there is repeated rebelliousness.
(Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law pg 541 & pgs. 506-553. Book N on Divorce is really interesting)
Should we accept and support misogyny, or should we look the other way?
Sigaba:
With respect, the logic of your argument is unclear. Is violence against women any more or less repugnant when it is conducted by Muslims? Is it America's job to spread its standards of civilized behavior globally?
There is also the perpetuation of the lie that all are equal in islam, that their women are revered and respected. And let us not forget to mention condoning pedophilia. When these poor girls/women try to flee their tormentors, they are often recaptured and returned.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/31/world/asia/31flogging.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper
Sigaba, I would like to answer that question from MPOV. It may not be our job to spread standards of behavior; however, I do not see any problem with attempting to help those in need. When an entire ideology is hellbent on making women below second class and abusing children, specifically young boys, do we sit back and allow it to happen? To we turn a blind eye? When entire ideology and its so called "moderate" adherents sit back and do nothing or say nothing, doesn't that make them just as guilty as the offenders?
I remember seeing a video shot by a bunch of teens (can't find it on youtube) while a girl was beaten half to death, here in this country. Onlookers just stood there and watched, nobody even made the attempt to help this poor girl. People were outraged! People's sensibilities were highly offended. The question that was posed, "should the onlookers be punished with the offenders?".
That being said, when an entire ideology is making the wholehearted attempt to infuse itself into a country and it's culture only to change it and the people to their ideology and they are using bullying, violence, fear, terror, threat, usurption, not to mention that countries own laws and culture against it, what do you then? Sit back and just let it happen? Sip your iced tea and hope for the best while watching it all unfold through rose colored glasses?
That being said, when an entire ideology is making the wholehearted attempt to infuse itself into a country and it's culture only to change it and the people to their ideology and they are using bullying, violence, fear, terror, threat, usurption, not to mention that countries own laws and culture against it, what do you then? Sit back and just let it happen? Sip your iced tea and hope for the best while watching it all unfold through rose colored glasses?
Words that bear repeating.
Ideas that deserve careful reflection.
By bringing in those with profoundly different views of what is right and wrong, we risk the replacement of our values with other values.
Do we have a responsibility and a duty to future generations? If so, do we faithfully discharge our duties by putting our granddaughters at risk of having their noses cut off? And that set of values is precisely what Islam promulgates. Yet we sit and permit it to happen.
Our forebears died so we could live in freedom. One might conclude that we regard that gift with contempt as we squander it.
Is it America's job to spread its standards of civilized behavior globally?
Certain members of radical Islam sure spread some of its standards of behavior on America on 9-11 (and on many other well documented occasions).
If a civilized standard must be spread globally - I choose ours every day. And, believe me, when it comes to the radicals it is us or them...just ask them. Prudence suggests that we heed their many warnings.
If Islam is an ideology, does its persistence testify to its strength--or to its enduring social, cultural, economic, and strategic weaknesses?
Wherever Pure Islam reigns supreme, it’s like a hostile alien invasion of earth :D its mother ship enters a civilized culture and deploys the umma, and harvests the technology, science, and knowledge of the culture it invaded after a thorough subjugation.. The offer of death or conversion perpetuates this alien creature, sort of like the eggs (ideology), Ripley, Dallas, Lambert, and Kane discovered on their return trip from Thedus :D
If nothing else, this thread demonstrates that Woodrow Wilson's view of America's role in the world is as persistent as ever.Let me try again.
The current actions of several subsets of the Islamic superset are suggestive of behavior patterns which may represent a risk to societies which permit population increases among the Islamic elements of such societies, whether through immigration or conversion.
Please note the occurrence of so-called honor killings in the U.S. LINK (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-11-29-honor-killings-in-the-US_N.htm)
Such actions are of a piece with the earlier link showing the woman with her nose and ears cut off.
One can argue what level of risk exists; however, the evidence indicates Islamics have behaviors which do represent some risk.By this logic, we should focus first on Europeans as certain subsets may present "a risk to societies." After all, as their populations grew, Europeans engaged in a variety of economic, political, social, and cultural practices that resulted in three global wars.Should we accept and support misogyny, or should we look the other way?IMO, the position you are taking on this issue today does not exactly square with the position you staked out with unmistakable clarity in your unedited comments on Christiane Amanpour.Entire post.Given the amount of gendered violence and sexual exploitation of children in Western societies, a question that immediately arises is: Why focus so much concern on what is happening half a world away rather than what is happening in one's own country? Why not focus on shutting down the Land of /b/?By bringing in those with profoundly different views of what is right and wrong, we risk the replacement of our values with other values. Bluntly, this statement suggests that you don't have much confidence in the strength of America's core values or an understanding of how previous generations of Americans used those values to impose their will on those who had enslaved them.Wherever Pure Islam reigns supreme, it’s like a hostile alien invasion of earth :D its mother ship enters a civilized culture and deploys the umma, and harvests the technology, science, and knowledge of the culture it invaded after a thorough subjugation.. The offer of death or conversion perpetuates this alien creature, sort of like the eggs (ideology), Ripley, Dallas, Lambert, and Kane discovered on their return trip from Thedus :DMOO, if one is going to make broad comparisons between Islam and various ideologies, one should not emulate the rhetoric of those comparable ideologies. YMMV.
IMO, the position you are taking on this issue today does not exactly square with the position you staked out with unmistakable clarity in your unedited comments on Christiane Amanpour.
I stand by my tongue-in-cheek comment which implied Christiane Amanpour prostitutes the Arab Palestinian cause and that she’s a professional apologist for Islam - which lures the average Joe into a slumbering acquiescence, and my assertion that Hasan al Banna’s grandson, Tariq Ramadan, is an apologist for the Muslim Brotherhood. I also stand by my comment that when Ayaan Hirsi Ali challenged Amanpour and confounded her thought process, in essence, it was a bitch slap :D
She certainly does inspire one to reach for very special words, doesn’t she :D
I’m not sure of your position Sigaba, you do appear to be defending Islam’s misogyny.
Is the deflowering of little 6-9yo girls, as “tilth” for “plowing” OK by you :confused:
IMO, Islamic ideology develops a sense of exclusiveness and victimization in its practitioners. It renounces all self-scrutiny and insists that it’s correct beyond all questioning, which under the conditions of Sharia, allows it to thrive.
Are you suggesting we appease it? :confused:
I personally believe that one of the basic human desires is one of the urge towards freedom and dignity. Scrutiny is an enabler of change. The idea of freedom trumps oppression any day. Why not help em’ throw off the shackles?
Entire post.My central point is that your advocacy of your viewpoints would profit from a higher level of intellectual consistency.
By this logic, we should focus first on Europeans as certain subsets may present "a risk to societies." After all, as their populations grew, Europeans engaged in a variety of economic, political, social, and cultural practices that resulted in three global wars.
Europeans may well represent a risk to non-European societies. No doubt that's part of the reason Saudi Arabia is not urging Europeans to emigrate to their nation. :p
Bluntly, this statement suggests that you don't have much confidence in the strength of America's core values
Those values are dying. The social, political, and economic elites abandoned them long ago, and so they wither away.
The consequences? Islam will probably win. And little girls will get their noses chopped off.
Please note that I am not jesting when I say that.
My central point is that your advocacy of your viewpoints would profit from a higher level of intellectual consistency.
Some of us aren’t as blessed as you, with IQ’s over 200 :D
Some of us aren’t as blessed as you, with IQ’s over 200 :DPM on the way.
My central point is that your advocacy of your viewpoints would profit from a higher level of intellectual consistency.
You can fight intellectual inconsistency, I'll fight these people.
I was sent the link to this today and thought I would share with all of you.
http://civilusdefendus.wordpress.com/?s=4+Stages+of+Islamic+Conquest
It is the 4 stages of Islamic Conquest. I found it informative and interesting. If you scroll down past the introduction letter, you will find the article.
Thank you for posting that.
You can fight intellectual inconsistency, I'll fight these people.
And there you have it.