View Full Version : Muslim-Americans launch PR initiatives, promote Sept. 11 as day of national service
Ret10Echo
09-01-2010, 12:04
:munchin
How about a day of remembrance.... :mad:
Muslim-Americans launch PR initiatives, promote Sept. 11 as day of national service
By Liz Goodwin liz Goodwin
2 hrs 46 mins ago
In an effort to push back against negative views of Islam and Muslims, grassroots Muslim groups are launching a series of initiatives to convey to non-Muslim-Americans that they are also Americans.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) released a series of advertisements today that will run on national television, clearly intended to counter some of the furor over the proposed mosque near Ground Zero. In one spot, a New York firefighter who was a first responder after the Sept. 11 attacks talks about losing a loved one before announcing that he is a Muslim.
CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper said the point of the ad is to "challenge the notion that Muslims were not also targeted on 9/11."
A national CBS poll from last month showed that 40 percent of Americans had an unfavorable view of Islam. More than 70 percent of respondents said building a mosque near Ground Zero was not appropriate. And only 62 percent of Americans think Muslims should have the same right as other groups to build places of worship in their communities, a Pew Research poll found.
Meanwhile, Edina Lekovic, director of policy at the Muslim Public Affairs Council, is helping to organize a grassroots Muslim Day of Service planned for Sept. 11. The group coordinated more than 3,500 service projects in the past year as part of President Obama's National Day of Service initiative, but Lekovic says the push is especially important now.
"Given the climate in the country right now and the ... intense levels of attacks that many Muslims are feeling, this effort is meant to channel those emotions toward something that is good both for our faith and our country," Lekovic said.
Rather than just be "outraged" over incidents like the planned Koran-burning in Gainesville, Florida, on Sept. 11, Lekovic told The Upshot the day of service is an opportunity to "show who we are rather than just talk about who we are."
A separate grassroots initiative called "My Faith My Voice" also launched an advertisment this week featuring Muslim-Americans saying they renounce terrorism and do not want to take over the country or impose their faith on anyone.
"These are sincere efforts by everyday American Muslims to demonstrate who we are and that we are in every possible way just like every other American, and the kinds of awful and dangerous attacks that are happening now are fundamentally un-American," Lekovic said. "We're actually quite boring!"
Anti-Islamic sentiments are spreading well beyond the battle over the proposed Park51 community center near Ground Zero. At least two mosques far from New York have received hate-filled messages opposing the proposed mosque in Lower Manhattan, and a fire at a mosque construction site in Tennessee is now being investigated as arson.
Found this the other day - interesting.
http://www.myfaithmyvoice.com/
Richard :munchin
Nice PR piece Richard.
Can you name one country with a Muslim Majority where all citizens, of all religions enjoy the same protection as Muslims under their laws?
Can you name one Muslim country that is moving to the "left" or becoming more "liberal" in it's thoughts towards other peoples and religions?
Is Turkey sliding into the Jihadist camp by way of it's own voters?
Could it be that there is just not enough here yet?
alright4u
09-01-2010, 19:45
[QUOTE=Richard;346582]Found this the other day - interesting.
http://www.myfaithmyvoice.com/
These clowns have parents born in muslim countries. Why do they move here? Make your own country into free speech. Oh, can no do with Sharia Law.
Obama, CAIR, and the leftist Dhimmicrats are all on on the same page. They denegrate America and would like to wipe away any patriotic ferver, but hey.., maybe December 7th should be recognized as a day of national service as well :mad:
I like this PR initiative better - Open Season CAIR remix :eek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9oX5Q2ftmA&eurl
CAIR serves as a central node in the Muslim Brotherhood's U.S. network. Daniel Pipes has an interesting piece with some interesting links...
Getting to Know the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) > http://www.danielpipes.org/biblio_cair.php
:munchin
Why Islamic Moderates Are So Scarce
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/245415/why-islamic-moderates-are-so-scarce-joshua-gilder
From the end
".......Nor can we be surprised that such cultures endorse institutionalized domestic violence or rampant terrorism and the murder of innocents. As hard as it is for the secular Left to accept, Western culture is founded on and steeped in the Judeo-Christian assumption that our innate understanding of what is right is a direct reflection of God’s goodness and justice as reflected in His universal law, to which even He adheres. We make a mistake when we assume other cultures are necessarily speaking the same moral language.
Is there a possibility that Islam can find its way back to the root philosophies of its golden age? There are those within Islam who want to, but — like the voices raised in opposition to the mosque — they are lonely, even threatened, outposts within their faith. One thing Reilly’s account makes clear: Only when we move beyond the common platitudes of our contemporary political discussion and begin to deal with Islam as it really is — rather than the fiction that it is the equivalent of our Western culture dressed up in a burqa — will we be able to help make progress in that direction.............."
Can you name one country with a Muslim Majority where all citizens, of all religions enjoy the same protection as Muslims under their laws?
Can you name one Muslim country that is moving to the "left" or becoming more "liberal" in it's thoughts towards other peoples and religions?
Pete,
Sir, Respectfully are the above questions broad enough, by this I mean is Islam the least common denominator for the circumstances you mentioned? The States and parts of Western Europe for the most part enjoy religious protections, however is this the case for most of the rest of the world regardless of faith? Many third world countries lead a Hobbesian existence, where despots rule and might makes right whatever their religion. Africa on the whole is a scary place in this and other regards. Even if you consider more industrially developed nations such as China or Russia, neither of which is Islamic majority, does either protect the freedoms mentioned? A despot is a despot regardless of proclaimed faith, if Islam were to vanish tomorrow, would this remedy this condition across the world?
...... Respectfully are the above questions broad enough, by this I mean is Islam the least common denominator for the circumstances you mentioned?.......
I've asked this question a couple of times and the people I ask always duck and run.
I always finish asking about Turkey. Turkey was once held as the shining light of secularism in the Muslim world. But by the vote it is now moving itself into the Islamist camp.
So I think asking what Islamic people will do when they get the majority is a fair question. It appears they vote Islamic and agree with (or at least keep silent on) how things are going.
I think the larger cities of Europe are good indicators of the way things will go. When a large enough Muslim population forms in an area it begins to force it's will on others around it. It's goal is not to work within the system but to change it to their way. Once they get their way - what does that mean for the non-Muslims?
Can you name one country with a Muslim Majority where all citizens, of all religions enjoy the same protection as Muslims under their laws?
Albania is one - there are many more in Africa, Asia, and Europe - and many who lie somewhere in between total equality and banishment.
These clowns have parents born in muslim countries.
Or maybe grandparents or great-grandparents or great-great-grandparents or...:confused: I have Lebanese friends who are Muslim and whose ancestors settled here in Texas prior to statehood (prior to Dec 1845) and they are as vocifeously anti-Sharia or any other religious law being the laws of the land as anybody I know.
Why do they move here?
For as many reasons as anybody moves here. My ancestors were Scots and moved here in 1650 (Middle Plantaion, Maryland) to escape the consequences they encountered from the Wars of the Three Kingdoms.
As for Islam - despite its scriptural tenets, it's as diverse in how it is interpreted and practiced now as it always has been, it's as complicated an issue - internally and externally - now as it always has been, it's in as volatile a state of flux now as it always has been, and nobody can say when or how it'll all end - as it always has been.
However, IMO and if History is a useful guide, it will either adapt to a more moderately acceptable form of reasoned belief(s) or it will end up on the trash heap of discarded theologies as has happened to so many others.
However - YMMV - and so it goes...
Richard :munchin
Albania is one - there are many more in Africa, Asia, and Europe - and many who lie somewhere in between total equality and banishment.....................
Richard;
I'll give you Albania - at 70% Muslim. But the interesting thing about Albania is it's a majority Sunni and Bektashi Muslim population.
The Bektashi sect is having it's own problems inside Turkey as they lean more towards supporting the secular nature of Turkey.
It's not just other religions getting the squeeze from Islam - it's the Muslims who ain't Muslim enough getting the squeeze also.
"........However, IMO and if History is a useful guide, it will either adapt to a more moderately acceptable form of reasoned belief(s) or it will end up on the trash heap of discarded theologies as has happened to so many others........."
Richard - there is the third option - everyone alive ends up Muslim.
Richard;
I'll give you Albania - at 70% Muslim. But the interesting thing about Albania is it's a majority Sunni and Bektashi Muslim population.
The Bektashi sect is having it's own problems inside Turkey as they lean more towards supporting the secular nature of Turkey.
It's not just other religions getting the squeeze from Islam - it's the Muslims who ain't Muslim enough getting the squeeze also.
"........However, IMO and if History is a useful guide, it will either adapt to a more moderately acceptable form of reasoned belief(s) or it will end up on the trash heap of discarded theologies as has happened to so many others........."
Richard - there is the third option - everyone alive ends up Muslim.
I am seriously voting for the trash heap (which is where that evilness belongs), but that is just me personally.
This initiative (of all days, why Sept 11?), the mosque, the constant complaining we hear from the left and the muslims about how we are all a bunch of islamophobes and racists, is not helping their cause IMO. Nor is any of it impressive in regard to their ability to assert their rights. I see it as the Grand March to Domination, which is at the top of their agenda. Want me and others to believe otherwise, then lets start seeing all those so called moderates come out of hiding and speak up!!!! A few out of the estimated 1.5 billion is nothing! It is not even a drop in the bucket.
I am straining an ear here, I don't hear a peep! :mad:
alright4u
09-02-2010, 21:02
Albania is one - there are many more in Africa, Asia, and Europe - and many who lie somewhere in between total equality and banishment.
Or maybe grandparents or great-grandparents or great-great-grandparents or...:confused: I have Lebanese friends who are Muslim and whose ancestors settled here in Texas prior to statehood (prior to Dec 1845) and they are as vocifeously anti-Sharia or any other religious law being the laws of the land as anybody I know.
For as many reasons as anybody moves here. My ancestors were Scots and moved here in 1650 (Middle Plantaion, Maryland) to escape the consequences they encountered from the Wars of the Three Kingdoms.
As for Islam - despite its scriptural tenets, it's as diverse in how it is interpreted and practiced now as it always has been, it's as complicated an issue - internally and externally - now as it always has been, it's in as volatile a state of flux now as it always has been, and nobody can say when or how it'll all end - as it always has been.
However, IMO and if History is a useful guide, it will either adapt to a more moderately acceptable form of reasoned belief(s) or it will end up on the trash heap of discarded theologies as has happened to so many others.
However - YMMV - and so it goes...
Richard :munchin
No Muslim believes in God.
This initiative (of all days, why Sept 11?)
Well..., they've hijacked the term "Palestinian" as well as the Kingdom of Judea, why not 9/11 ?
Arafat was... a disciple of Otto Skorzeny...
FWIW, Obama gave them the idea of a National day of Service...
This effort to reshape the American psyche has nothing to do with healing the nation and everything to do with easing the nation along in the ongoing radical transformation of America that President Obama promised during last year's election campaign. The president signed into law a measure in April that designated Sept. 11 as a National Day of Service, but it's not likely many lawmakers thought this meant that day was going to be turned into a celebration of ethanol, carbon emission controls, and radical community organizing.
http://spectator.org/archives/2009/08/24/obamas-plan-to-desecrate-911
:munchin
ETA
Albania is one..
I have always wondered what this Albanian writing says
16514
Ret10Echo
09-03-2010, 05:41
ETA
I have always wondered what this Albanian writing says
16514
The inscription doesn't appear to be written using Albania characters. Unless it is some flowery variant. :munchin
I have always wondered what this Albanian writing says
Arabic - at Srebrenica-Potocari Memorial and Cemetery, Bosnia, a monument to the victims of the Serbian genocidal policies against the Bosnian muslim population in 1995. The picture shows former President Clinton attending the formal opening of the memorial on 20 Sep 2003.
http://www.ic-mp.org/press-releases/official-opening-of-srebrenica-potocari-memorial-and-cemetery/
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35445.htm
Richard :munchin
Arabic
Why would the Albanians/Bosnians erect a monument in Arabic rather than Albanian/Bosnian… :confused:
ETA
I’m curious what it says, anyone know?
Why would the Albanians erect a monument in Arabic rather than Albanian… :confused:
Why are there so many grave markers and monuments throughout America which are inscribed in languages other than English?
However - FWIW - Bosnia is not Albania (although both countries have sizeable Muslim populations) and the cemetery/monument for the atrocities committed against the Bosnian Muslims in the picture you posted is in Bosnia, not Albania.
Must be a secret plot. :rolleyes:
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
Must be a secret plot.
I don’t know enough about the region to make a comment but the forgotten 500 come to mind :D
Why would the Albanians/Bosnians erect a monument in Arabic rather than Albanian/Bosnian… :confused:You might find more answers to your own questions if you took something other than a teleological approach to European history.
My $0.02.
Ret10Echo
09-03-2010, 09:48
However - FWIW - Bosnia is not Albania (although both countries have sizeable Muslim populations) and the cemetery/monument for the atrocities committed against the Bosnian Muslims in the picture you posted is in Bosnia, not Albania.
Richard :munchin
It should be noted that the conflicts in that region have followed a strict equal-opportunity policy when it comes to atrocities.
Some groups had a much better PR campaign....(Hey, why is that a somewhat familiar topic?)
......However - FWIW - Bosnia is not Albania (although both countries have sizeable Muslim populations) and the cemetery/monument for the atrocities committed against the Bosnian Muslims in the picture you posted is in Bosnia, not Albania.............
FWIW it must also be noted that while Albania is a country there is also an Albanian people. People who live in sizable numbers in the country/states around Albania. Things are not quite as calm as some would have others believe.
Greece and Macedonia get a little irritated with the Albanians every now and again.