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Richard
08-22-2010, 06:37
Stupid is as stupid does.

The Grand Canyon, where hikers sent out an emergency signal because their water “tasted salty.”

And so it goes...

Richard :munchin

Technology Leads More Park Visitors Into Trouble
NYT, 21 Aug 2010

Cathy Hayes was cracking jokes as she recorded a close encounter with a buffalo on her camera in a recent visit to Yellowstone National Park.

“Watch Donald get gored,” she said as her companion hustled toward a grazing one-ton beast for a closer shot with his own camera.

Seconds later, as if on cue, the buffalo lowered its head, pawed the ground and charged, injuring, as it turns out, Ms. Hayes.

“We were about 30, 35 feet, and I zoomed in on him, but that wasn’t far enough, because they are fast,” she recounted later in a YouTube video displaying her bruised and cut legs.

The national parks’ history is full of examples of misguided visitors feeding bears, putting children on buffalos for photos and dipping into geysers despite signs warning of scalding temperatures.

But today, as an ever more wired and interconnected public visits the parks in rising numbers — July was a record month for visitors at Yellowstone — rangers say that technology often figures into such mishaps.

People with cellphones call rangers from mountaintops to request refreshments or a guide; in Jackson Hole, Wyo., one lost hiker even asked for hot chocolate.

A French teenager was injured after plunging 75 feet this month from the South Rim of the Grand Canyon when he backed up while taking pictures. And last fall, a group of hikers in the canyon called in rescue helicopters three times by pressing the emergency button on their satellite location device. When rangers arrived the second time, the hikers explained that their water supply “tasted salty.”

“Because of having that electronic device, people have an expectation that they can do something stupid and be rescued,” said Jackie Skaggs, spokeswoman for Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming.

“Every once in a while we get a call from someone who has gone to the top of a peak, the weather has turned and they are confused about how to get down and they want someone to personally escort them,” Ms. Skaggs said. “The answer is that you are up there for the night.” :D

The National Park Service does not keep track of what percentage of its search and rescue missions, which have been climbing for the last five years and topped 3,500 in 2009, are technology related. But in an effort to home in on “contributing factors” to park accidents, the service recently felt compelled to add “inattention to surroundings” to more old-fashioned causes like “darkness” and “animals.”

The service acknowledges that the new technologies have benefits as well. They can and do save lives when calls come from people who really are in trouble.

The park service itself has put technology to good use in countering the occasional unruliness of visitors. Last summer, several men who thought they had managed to urinate undetected into the Old Faithful geyser in Yellowstone were surprised to be confronted by rangers shortly after their stunt. It turns out that the park had installed a 24-hour camera so people could experience Old Faithful’s majesty online. Viewers spotted the men in action and called to alert the park.

In an era when most people experience the wild mostly through television shows that may push the boundaries of appropriateness for entertainment, rangers say people can wildly miscalculate the risks of their antics.

In an extreme instance in April, two young men from Las Vegas were killed in Zion National Park in Utah while trying to float a hand-built log raft down the Virgin River. A park investigation found that the men “did not have whitewater rafting experience, and had limited camping experience, little food and no overnight gear.”

“They told their father that they intended to record their entire trip on video camera as an entry into the ‘Man vs. Wild’competition” on television, investigators wrote. :rolleyes:

Far more common but no less perilous, park workers say, are visitors who arrive with cellphones or GPS devices and little else — sometimes not even water — and find themselves in trouble. Such visitors often acknowledge that they have pushed themselves too far because they believe that in a bind, the technology can save them.

It does not always work out that way. “We have seen people who have solely relied on GPS technology but were not using common sense or maps and compasses, and it leads them astray,” said Kyle Patterson, a spokesman for Rocky Mountain National Park, just outside Denver.

Like a lot of other national parks, Rocky Mountain does not allow cellphone towers, so service that visitors may take for granted is spotty at best. “Sometimes when they call 911, it goes to a communications center in Nebraska or Wyoming,” Mr. Patterson said. “And that can take a long time to sort out.”

One of the most frustrating new technologies for the parks to deal with, rangers say, are the personal satellite messaging devices that can send out an emergency signal but are not capable of two-way communication. (Globalstar Inc., the manufacturer of SPOT brand devices, says new models allow owners to send a message with the help request.)

In some cases, said Keith Lober, the ranger in charge of search and rescue at Yosemite National Park in California, the calls “come from people who don’t need the 911 service, but they take the SPOT and at the first sign of trouble, they hit the panic button.”

But without two-way communication, the rangers cannot evaluate the seriousness of the call, so they respond as if it were an emergency.

Last fall, two men with teenage sons pressed the help button on a device they were carrying as they hiked the challenging backcountry of Grand Canyon National Park. Search and rescue sent a helicopter, but the men declined to board, saying they had activated the device because they were short on water.

The group’s leader had hiked the Grand Canyon once before, but the other man had little backpacking experience. Rangers reported that the leader told them that without the device, “we would have never attempted this hike.”

The group activated the device again the next evening. Darkness prevented a park helicopter from flying in, but the Arizona Department of Public Safety sent in a helicopter whose crew could use night vision equipment.

The hikers were found and again refused rescue. They said they had been afraid of dehydration because the local water “tasted salty.” They were provided with water.

Helicopter trips into the park can cost as much as $3,400 an hour, said Maureen Oltrogge, a spokeswoman for Grand Canyon National Park.

So perhaps it is no surprise that when the hikers pressed the button again the following morning, park personnel gave them no choice but to return home. The leader was issued a citation for creating hazardous conditions in the parks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/science/earth/22parks.html

Pete
08-22-2010, 06:43
Stupid is as stupid does

The guys on the log raft - classic "Hey, watch this!".

Sdiver
08-22-2010, 07:10
Richard,
You are are correct in saying "Stupid is as stupid does", but the sad part of this is, it just shows how people more and more now-a-days, don't want to take responsibility for their actions and are wanting someone else to do things for them.

Now that technology has advanced as far as it has, it just moves those "stupid 911 calls", from their homes to the parks.

Here's a few to make you just wonder how in the hell some people are actually able to breath and walk at the same time.

*WARNING*....do not have any liquid in hand or mouth when hearing the first one I've loaded up.....*WARNING*

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/tbqyklnznj--Can-you-spell-thatFunny-911-Call-Viral-911-Calls-

HOLLiS
08-22-2010, 07:31
When driver side air bags came out. It was shown that a person was at a higher risk of being injured being a passenger in that car. Like the new techie devices, the driver felt they could drive more dangerously because the air bag would protect them.

Our gene pool is seriously over do for some bleach.

Ret10Echo
08-22-2010, 08:06
Stupid is as stupid does

The guys on the log raft - classic "Hey, watch this!".

Perhaps Arizona should expand the "Stupid driver" law to include stupid hikers, bikers, walkers, rafters, jet skiiers and golf-cart operators...??

Heck, just the "stupid people law".

If it cost money to fix your stupid, expect a bill in the mail and possible misdemeanor charge for just being downright dumb.

The power of negative reinforcement.

Rumblyguts
08-22-2010, 08:56
Perhaps Arizona should expand the "Stupid driver" law to include stupid hikers, bikers, walkers, rafters, jet skiiers and golf-cart operators...??

Heck, just the "stupid people law".

If it cost money to fix your stupid, expect a bill in the mail and possible misdemeanor charge for just being downright dumb.

The power of negative reinforcement.

I agree, perhaps more visibility about evac/response costs should be included.

But I wonder just how many of these folks would even notice that such a law existed, or how to communicate it to them. If they are dumb enough to go into places without the nescecary skills (unconcious incompetance), then how would one communicate rescue costs or increased risks to others, which is even less obvious?

JJ_BPK
08-22-2010, 09:12
Stupid is as stupid does

The guys on the log raft - classic "Hey, watch this!".

What he say..

The Reaper
08-22-2010, 09:19
Take a credit card imprint with at least $5000 hold on the card and tell them that charges will be made for any services provided.

In most places, the ambulance ride costs money. Maybe the Park Service should advertise and implement the same policy.

TR

HOLLiS
08-22-2010, 09:57
Perhaps Arizona should expand the "Stupid driver" law to include stupid hikers, bikers, walkers, rafters, jet skiiers and golf-cart operators...??

Heck, just the "stupid people law".

If it cost money to fix your stupid, expect a bill in the mail and possible misdemeanor charge for just being downright dumb.

The power of negative reinforcement.

Excellent idea. Also tort limitations so a person can not sue someone when it is their own stupidity that is the reason for the incident.

rdret1
08-22-2010, 15:02
When driver side air bags came out. It was shown that a person was at a higher risk of being injured being a passenger in that car. Like the new techie devices, the driver felt they could drive more dangerously because the air bag would protect them.

Our gene pool is seriously over do for some bleach.

We have allowed the rule of "only the strongest survive" to become extinct. "Reality" shows have actually become reality, and we are worse for it. Sooner or later, the pool will be cleansed.

nmap
08-22-2010, 15:18
We have allowed the rule of "only the strongest survive" to become extinct. "Reality" shows have actually become reality, and we are worse for it. Sooner or later, the pool will be cleansed.

Sooner, I think. It's going to hurt when it happens.

Ret10Echo
08-22-2010, 17:14
then how would one communicate rescue costs or increased risks to others, which is even less obvious?

Picture this if you will...

Beleaguered hikers trapped in the Grand Canyon with questionable liquid in their canteens... (let's not even go there)

Repeated button pushing on the "thingie" they bought on ebay has yet to yield transport to the local Hilton...

Suddenly, from the distance, a helicopter approaches...AT LAST rescue from distasteful water. (is it water?)

The helicopter hovers above their position, momentarily creating a rotor-wash dust storm...

With uplifted faces, they watch the slowly lowering winch cable...

Finally, as the end of the cable approaches the ground, the device at the end of the cable comes clearly into view...

A digital card swipe box with electronic signature capability and pin code keypad....

Press '1' for credit, '2' for debit.


:eek:


Yes, Priceless.

plato
08-22-2010, 17:44
Take a credit card imprint with at least $5000 hold on the card and tell them that charges will be made for any services provided.
TR

Sounds like a plan that's worthy of expansion into a lot of areas.

In Bonne Terre, MO, in the late 70's, you registered and bought a metal "tag" from the local fire department and nailed it to the front of your house. In the event of a fire, if your house was registered, the fire department rolled out the front door. If your house *wasn't* covered for that service by contributions toward said service, you cold watch it burn.

ZonieDiver
08-22-2010, 18:18
Sounds like a plan that's worthy of expansion into a lot of areas.

In Bonne Terre, MO, in the late 70's, you registered and bought a metal "tag" from the local fire department and nailed it to the front of your house. In the event of a fire, if your house was registered, the fire department rolled out the front door. If your house *wasn't* covered for that service by contributions toward said service, you cold watch it burn.

Until recently, if you lived in unincorporated areas of Maricopa County where Rural-Metro FD provided 'contracted' service - it was 'pay for spray'! If you didn't subscribe, they spray down your neighbor's house to keep it from spreading... but yours burned. I kinda liked that!

AngelsSix
08-22-2010, 18:49
When I visited the Grand Canyon via some training with Team Sgt., I bought a book that was titled "Death in the Canyon". There are definitely some stupid people out there!

Utah Bob
08-22-2010, 19:28
I used to be a Park Ranger.
Don't get me started...:rolleyes:

ZonieDiver
08-22-2010, 19:48
I used to be a Park Ranger.
Don't get me started...:rolleyes:

Do tell, do tell!

NoRoadtrippin
08-22-2010, 20:29
I used to be a Park Ranger.
Don't get me started...:rolleyes:

Bob,

As an outdoor guide, I am right there with you. This all just serves to reinforce what I try to do with clients. Lord help these idiots.

The Reaper
08-23-2010, 05:16
Lord help these idiots.

Should be Darwin, in this case.

TR

NoRoadtrippin
08-23-2010, 07:20
Should be Darwin, in this case.

TR

Touche.

cetheridge
08-23-2010, 14:11
Like Bob, I was a Park Ranger (30 years). My favorite introduction to someone I caught doing something stupid was, "Before I start talking to you, are you left or right handed?.... I want you to take your (left/right) hand and reach around to your rear end, get a firm grip on the top of your head and pull it out of your ass!"

There's definitely a bunch of them out there!!