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Aleucard
08-21-2010, 20:45
Alright, here's what I'm wanting to do. First, get a few pairs of ankle/arm weights, and wear them any time I go out. When I get to where I don't notice them anymore, I add another set. Keep going until I run out of room or I get past the safety threshold (not sure, but my half-ass guess would be around 60 pounds per leg and maybe 30 per arm?). How would you guys (especially the QPs here) rate this as a sort of "passive" endurance/strength training regimen? I think this would help immensely with preparing for rucking (someone at later versions of this could carry one of those like it's a pillow), as well as for any time you might get caught off guard (since you're accustomed to being at least a few dozen pounds heavier, you can move a lot faster than normal, and for longer). Sorry if this was touched on previously, but I haven't been able to find anything about this sort of thing. Also, if you DO think this is a good idea, can you direct me to anything you would recommend for this? Something designed to be easily wearable for extended periods would help a lot.

Eagle5US
08-21-2010, 20:48
If you want to "improve immensely on your rucking", then get a ruck, put weight in it, and walk. Next time, walk faster, or farther, or both, or add more weight, or some combination of the three. If you do not have an IBA, then there are weighted vests for purchase that can simulate that additional layer of weighted clothing.

Honestly, the only way to get better at doing a certain thing, is to do that thing.

Eagle

Aleucard
08-21-2010, 21:00
I was asking about how effective you think it would be doing this just walking around town doing shit. Any time I need to get out of the house, these things go on. I don't want to find out that this is a bad idea to try first hand. That would remove the benefit I'm trying to get in the first place (more physically fit, both for strength and endurance). I used rucking as an example of things this would help me to do; I'm not wanting to do this solely for that. It HELPS, I'm sure, but still. Thanks for the quick reply, though. Didn't really think there were that many dudes still conscious this time of night. ^_^;;

boots1933
08-21-2010, 21:44
or you could put in the work instead of looking for something "passive".


~ND

Aleucard
08-21-2010, 22:00
or you could put in the work instead of looking for something "passive".


~ND

Alright, first, don't be an ass. Second, this was going to be in conjunction with actual training. I'm not stupid enough to think that this is all I'll need. Unless if you're commenting specifically on the use of this sort of training for someone wanting to be effective, then don't make smartass remarks like this and take up post slots. Thank you.

Eagle5US
08-21-2010, 22:13
There was nothing asinine about his post. It is indeed factual. Perhaps instead of copping an attitude and flexing your "Internet muscle" between your brain and your digits, you could be clear in your post to begin with instead of expecting everyone else to know what you mean despite what you type.
Otherwise, maintain proper courtesy. You, like the poster you chided, are a guest here.

Eagle

Surgicalcric
08-21-2010, 22:21
In addition to my Brother's post, there are several threads here where weighted vest training is discussed; read them. In the future you would do well to use the search button before starting threads...

Crip

blue02hd
08-21-2010, 22:35
Also consider, the conditioning that your feet will need. ( This is covered on many previous posts). Rucking not only conditions your body to the weight/ load and adjusted center of gravity, but it also works your feet, ankles, and boots. Showing up to selection without breaking your feet is a sure way to "passively" fail at that event. As mentioned in this thread before, the best way to prepare for rucking, is to ruck. There are no shortcuts, and it is pretty much black and white.

Lastly, thicken your skin as well. If a single comment here on a thread is enough to draw a sharp tongued comment from you I doubt you will have the ability to build, maintain, and increase rapport with people who honestly do not like you. Overtly aggressive attitudes are more likely suited for a Ranger BN. Attitude will also be assessed , so start practicing now.

GL, and I hope this helps.

Foot Drill
08-21-2010, 22:42
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Aleucard
08-21-2010, 22:52
I found his post condescending in that it assumed that I thought that this was all I'd need, which seems like a fairly large leap of faith to me. I tend to get on the defensive when someone seems like they're talking down to me needlessly, which he looked like he was doing. Sorry if it made me look immature.

I don't like trying to look like an internet tough guy any more than you do. I talk online as if I'm talking to the person face to face; anything I'd say online, I'd say in the same conditions in the real world. I also don't like making an ass out of myself in someone else's space, despite how hard it is for me to catch most of it myself before I do it. I'll try to curtail that.

Rucking wasn't the major consideration when I thought of this; it was mainly for strength and endurance training. Being used to a comparatively large amount of added weight will help, but I know that the difference between this and actual rucking is huge. Thanks for pointing out the feet problem, too. You know any way to improve the durability of my feet from stuff like blisters? I imagine (and know to a limited degree from some personal events) that a long day of walking/jogging is going to make the dogs howl hard, so I want to do everything possible to minimize that.

Thanks for the comments, especially at this time of night.

EDIT: Yeah, I am expecting that getting anywhere near that's going to take more than a bit. I got some close-fitting ankle weights that won't draw much attention, and I might be able to think of something for the arms (or just switch out for a weighted vest), but I'm still expecting that I might draw some unwanted attention by the time I top out. Also, I was thinking more on comparing the initial weight of the rucksack to what I wear normally; that's still 60+ pounds of dead weight directly on my back, so a long hike is still probably going to be Hell. Weighted clothing is (I hope) going to make it suck less, however.

I'm thinking of this as a passive approach so far as something I can do when I'm not doing actual training. I'm not going to be able to hit the gym or do crunches for an hour on a guaranteed schedule under normal circumstances. What I like about passive training is that this can be done all day, every day, under any circumstances. It's probably not going to get as much or as fast results as the main training is, but this will be a very effective supplement for it. I'm just wondering how effective you guys think it would be as that, and more specifically, if it would be worth the effort.

Foot Drill
08-21-2010, 23:08
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ZonieDiver
08-21-2010, 23:15
You'll probably hear this from a moderator shortly, but here goes anyway. Feet have been covered at this site ad infinitum. So has conditioning, exercise systems, rucking, et al.

If you had searched these forums, you would surely have found this information. This is an SF site. SF soldiers, and those who wish to suuceed in their aspiration to become such, are 'self-starters'! Search for 'feet' - and while you are at it, add 'Message to Garcia' to that search.

Read more, post less is the mantra here.

Aleucard
08-21-2010, 23:16
Amigo, use the search button. There is a ton of info on that topic. You're going to test the patience of the QP's by asking a basic question like that. Buy the book, GET SELECTED, then MAYBE start asking questions.

.... Sorry. I tend to ask random related questions that I think up while I'm making posts. I generally do searches for this sort of thing after the post is made, but if it gets on people's nerves enough, then from now on I'll do searches on these sorts of questions before I slip them in the middle of my posts. This is another of those things I tend to not catch myself doing until someone points it out. Sorry.

Kyobanim
08-21-2010, 23:20
.... Sorry. I tend to ask random related questions that I think up while I'm making posts. I generally do searches for this sort of thing after the post is made, but if it gets on people's nerves enough, then from now on I'll do searches on these sorts of questions before I slip them in the middle of my posts. This is another of those things I tend to not catch myself doing until someone points it out. Sorry.

Search first, ask questions later. Do not post a question without doing an extensive search. The questions have been asked and answered already.

wet dog
08-21-2010, 23:23
I don't even have to read the other posts to answer this one.

Forget everything you know, (take all your knowledge, place it in a bowl, and throw it over your shoulder), 500,000 years of human development have made us what we are today.

You want to get strong?

Run every day, 5-7 miles. On days you lift weights, run 2-3 miles, swim 1000M twice a week. Eat well, high in protieins, moderate carbs, low fat. Go to bed by 9pm, get up by 5am. Start rucking with 45lbs., before water, three days a week. Carry some 1/4 inch angle iron or I-beam #5, (that means 5 lbs. per ft.).

Advise you talk with others regarding supplements. As for me, I lifting raw iron, eating farm fresh eggs, I have red meat 3 days a week, fish, bird, elk and deer, the other days, (I'm trying to empty the deep freezer before Nov.). I spend my days fixing fence, braking a young mare, re-roofing the barn, teaching my 9 yr old how to Oxcy-cut (acetylene), and pillaging the garden with (1) pairing knife and a salt shaker.

I'm 46 years old, and if asked, I could max the APFT at the 17-21 age group, I'd even be given additional points for extra push-ups and sit-ups. My run is slower, it's no longer under 13 minutes, but closer to 15:00 for two miles, but under a ruck sack, I'd smoke your legs off.

I've been SF since I could crawl, it only took a SGM some twenty years later to say, "Welcome to the regiment".

Wet Dog


Alright, here's what I'm wanting to do. First, get a few pairs of ankle/arm weights, and wear them any time I go out. When I get to where I don't notice them anymore, I add another set. Keep going until I run out of room or I get past the safety threshold (not sure, but my half-ass guess would be around 60 pounds per leg and maybe 30 per arm?). How would you guys (especially the QPs here) rate this as a sort of "passive" endurance/strength training regimen? I think this would help immensely with preparing for rucking (someone at later versions of this could carry one of those like it's a pillow), as well as for any time you might get caught off guard (since you're accustomed to being at least a few dozen pounds heavier, you can move a lot faster than normal, and for longer). Sorry if this was touched on previously, but I haven't been able to find anything about this sort of thing. Also, if you DO think this is a good idea, can you direct me to anything you would recommend for this? Something designed to be easily wearable for extended periods would help a lot.

Eagle5US
08-21-2010, 23:24
.... Sorry. I tend to ask random related questions that I think up while I'm making posts. I generally do searches for this sort of thing after the post is made, but if it gets on people's nerves enough, then from now on I'll do searches on these sorts of questions before I slip them in the middle of my posts. This is another of those things I tend to not catch myself doing until someone points it out. Sorry.
Look...enough already. For a college kid you aren't too smart.

Don't worry if it gets on someone's nerves enough. Suffice it to say IT HAS:rolleyes:

You have already been given direction by MORE than one QP on this thread and been given a considerable amount of leeway and tolerance. We aren't asking you to please use the search function. We are TELLING you to USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION.

Now, RE-READ ZonieDiver's post, comply with it, and READ MORE - POST LESS.

Eagle

Richard
08-21-2010, 23:36
....I generally do searches for this sort of thing after the post is made...

Your thought processes are back-asswards - correct them.

Richard :munchin

The Reaper
08-22-2010, 09:40
Based on your actions here thus far, my honest opinion is that you would be a much better asset in a Marine Corps rifle squad than an ODA.

Follow the board rules, graciously accept the advice given by the QPs, and be respectful to others here, as a guest should be.

Searching before posting or starting new threads and being polite to others are non-negotiable requirements on this forum. Your habit of posting before searching and demanding personal attention is disrespectful of our time and reflects laziness on your part.

You choosing to ignore this will result in the loss of this board to you as an asset. We don't give a lot of second chances here, make the most of it.

Best of luck.

TR

Dozer523
08-23-2010, 04:11
Alright, here's what I'm wanting to do. First, get a few pairs of ankle/arm weights, and wear them any time I go out. . . . How would you guys (especially the QPs here) rate this as a sort of "passive" endurance/strength training regimen? I think it will make you look like a gurl.

craigepo
08-23-2010, 07:17
I think it will make you look like a gurl.

At least it's a pretty girl.

Dozer523
08-23-2010, 09:33
At least it's a pretty girl. So he's got THAT goin' for him.

Now he'll need a new call sign.

Sten
08-23-2010, 09:43
So he's got THAT goin' for him.

Now he'll need a new call sign.

Bully.

pjg45
08-23-2010, 18:00
I think it will make you look like a gurl.

Outstanding :D

lksteve
08-23-2010, 18:42
Now he'll need a new call sign.I'm thinking Tango Quebec...but I'm harsh...

wet dog
08-27-2010, 20:44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tED12irUKEg&feature=related

I haven't PT'd this week, starting Monday, I've got a new program to follow.

WD

lksteve
08-27-2010, 21:13
I haven't PT'd this week, starting Monday, I've got a new program to follow.Better check with your doc, first...

wet dog
08-27-2010, 22:20
Ok., ok., I'll wait another week, maybe two. I'll call the doc on Monday.

PedOncoDoc
08-28-2010, 18:57
Were you referencing the girl or her ankle weights? :munchin

plato
08-28-2010, 20:27
I don't think the ex would have learned to stay on the bottom of the lake without them :D

Nightflyer
09-09-2010, 19:04
Alright, first, don't be an ass. Second, this was going to be in conjunction with actual training. I'm not stupid enough to think that this is all I'll need. Unless if you're commenting specifically on the use of this sort of training for someone wanting to be effective, then don't make smartass remarks like this and take up post slots. Thank you.

Stay in you're lane and ratchet down. The last thing a QP Warrior Mentor needs is me backing them up.

I'm doing it anyhow, out of Duty, Respect and Honor. Don't you ever call my Warrior Mentors anything but that.


Im a Soldier in school too. You know nothing about our Army. This is what you get from me and nothing more. You need to plan / execute and study. You want to be a real good Soldier, then have thick skin. You can start out by showing some respect. Get shit hot in you're rucking and land nav. Try to be over 300 in you're PT. Have respect and square away. My last PT score was well over 300. Be a Team player and work you're ass off for two years and study why "it's not just about kicking doors in" and you might be ready.

Take from it what you will..

Bench Press- 15 x 100- 5 x 240 or more. Max out low reps..
incline Bench Press-14 x100
military press-10 x 125 / 150
up right row-14 x 150
Barbell curls-15 x100
Dumbell curls-15 x 15 /25/ 35 / 45 / 65 Max out low reps..
Sandbag squat with dumb bell out in front- 15 x holding the top of heavy dumb bell and squat.
Deadlift with barbell -10 x 150 5 x 200
Front squat to Push UP Miltary Press -10 x 100
Dumbbell Flys on bench- 9 x 45

Core Training-1 YouTube - Core Training

Core Training-2 YouTube - Core Training And Scapular Strength

Cross Training & Agility -Running & Fitness- Humpin' a Ruck- Land Nav-

First 9 Weeks:

Week 1

Running: 2 miles, 8:30 pace, Mon/Wed/Fri
Pushups: 4 sets of 15 pushups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Situps: 4 sets of 20 situps, Mon/Wed/Fri
Pullups: 3 sets of 3 pullups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Weight training Tues / Thurs / Sat
Core Training Tues / Thurs / Sat
jump rope or swimming: continuously for 15 min. 4-5 days/week
Forced march with rucksack (1/4 body weight); 3 miles in 45 mins. Along a road or 1 hr. cross country.


Week 2

Running: 2 miles, 8:30 pace, Mon/Wed/Fri
Pushups: 5 sets of 20 pushups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Situps: 5 sets of 20 situps, Mon/Wed/Fri
Pullups: 3 sets of 3 pullups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Weight training Tues / Thurs / Sat
Core Training Tues / Thurs / Sat
jump rope or swimming: continuously for 15 min. 4-5 days/week
Forced march with rucksack (1/4 body weight); 3 miles in 45 mins. Along a road or 1 hr. cross country.

Week 3

Running: No running
Pushups: 5 sets of 25 pushups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Situps: 5 sets of 25 situps, Mon/Wed/Fri
Pullups: 3 sets of 4 pullups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Weight training Tues / Thurs / Sat
Core Training Tues / Thurs / Sat
jump rope or swimming: continuously for 20 min. 4-5 days/week
Forced march with rucksack (1/4 body weight); 3 miles in 45 mins. Along a road or 1 hr. cross country.

Week 4

Running: 3 miles, 8:30 pace, Mon/Wed/Fri
Pushups: 5 sets of 25 pushups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Situps: 5 sets of 25 situps, Mon/Wed/Fri
Pullups: 3 sets of 4 pullups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Weight training Tues / Thurs / Sat
Core Training Tues / Thurs / Sat
jump rope or swimming: continuously for 20 min. 4-5 days/week
Forced march with rucksack (1/4 body weight), 5 miles in 1 hr 15 min along road or 1 hr 40 min cross country.


Weeks 5-6

Running: 2 / 3 / 4 / 2 miles, Mo/Tu/We/Fr
Pushups: 6 sets of 25 pushups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Situps: 6 sets of 25 situps, Mon/Wed/Fri
Pullups: 2 sets of 8 pullups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Weight training Tues / Thurs / Sat
Core Training Tues / Thurs / Sat
jump rope or swimming: continuously for 25 min. 4-5 days/week
Forced march with rucksack (1/4 body weight), 5 miles in 1 hr 15 min along road or 1 hr 40 min cross country.


Weeks 7-8

Running: 4 / 4 / 5 / 3 miles, Mo/Tu/We/Fri
Pushups: 6 sets of 30 pushups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Situps: 6 sets of 30 situps, Mon/Wed/Fri
Pullups: 2 sets of 10 pullups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Weight training Tues / Thurs / Sat
Core Training Tues / Thurs / Sat
jump rope or swimming: continuously for 30 min. 4-5 days/week
Forced march with rucksack (1/3 body weight); 10 miles in 3 hrs along road or 4 hrs cross country.


Week 9

Running: 4 / 4 / 5 / 3 miles, Mo/Tu/We/Fr
Pushups: 6 sets of 30 pushups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Situps: 6 sets of 30 situps, Mon/Wed/Fri
Pullups: 3 sets of 10 pullups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Weight training Tues / Thurs / Sat
Core Training Tues / Thurs / Sat
jump rope or swimming: continuously for 35 min. 4-5 days/week
Forced march with rucksack (1/3 body weight); 10 miles in 3 hrs along road or 4 hrs cross country.

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Second 9 weeks:

Week 1 & 2

Running: 3 / 5 / 4 / 5 / 2 miles, Mo/Tu/We/Fr/Sa
Pushups: 6 sets of 30 pushups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Situps: 6 sets of 35 situps, Mon/Wed/Fri
Pullups: 3 sets of 10 pullups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Weight training Tues / Thurs / Sat
Core Training Tues / Thurs / Sat
Dips: 3 sets of 20 dips, Mon/Wed/Fri
Jump rope: continuously for 35 min. 4-5 days/week

Weeks 3-4

Running: 4 / 5 / 6 / 4 / 3 miles, Mo/Tu/We/Fr/Sa
Pushups: 10 sets of 20 pushups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Situps: 10 sets of 25 situps, Mon/Wed/Fri
Pullups: 4 sets of 10 pullups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Weight training Tues / Thurs / Sat
Core Training Tues / Thurs / Sat
Dips: 10 sets of 15 dips, Mon/Wed/Fri
Jump rope: continuously for 45 min. 4-5 days/week
Forced march with rucksack

Week 5

Running: 5 / 5 / 6 / 4 / 4 miles, Mo/Tu/We/Fr/Sa
Pushups: 15 sets of 20 pushups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Situps: 15 sets of 25 situps, Mon/Wed/Fri
Pullups: 4 sets of 12 pullups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Weight training Tues / Thurs / Sat
Core Training Tues / Thurs / Sat
Dips: 15 sets of 15 dips, Mon/Wed/Fri
Jump rope: continuously for 60 min. 4-5 days/week

Week 6 & Beyond

Running: 5 / 6 / 6 / 6 / 4 miles, Mo/Tu/We/Fr/Sa
Pushups: 20 sets of 20 pushups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Situps: 20 sets of 25 situps, Mon/Wed/Fri
Pullups: 5 sets of 12 pullups, Mon/Wed/Fri
Weight training Tues / Thurs / Sat
Core Training Tues / Thurs / Sat
Dips: 20 sets of 15 dips, Mon/Wed/Fri
Jump rope: continuously for 75 min. 4-5 days/week
Forced march with rucksack

Strength is never a negative. Lack of flexibility is. Strength & Speed Equals Power.If muscles are not used to their maximun length, they will shorten which over time will lead to back injuries or groin pulls.Increased flexibility and proper stretching will improve a Soldier's speed and agility to Fight and Lead. Carry on..

Warrior Mentor- ( TR ) I'm about to get smoked, but that's ok. It was worth it. :mad:

Night

ZonieDiver
09-09-2010, 19:24
They Are Warrior Mentors and deserve Respect..

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Night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B65mtE2TN1w :)

Nightflyer
09-09-2010, 19:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B65mtE2TN1w

Roger that. * Lol* Warrior Mentor, " But don't ever call me Francis". :cool:

PS- Sir Billy Waugh is an Amazing Warrior Mentor. Stuff of Legend..


Night