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Let me start off saying that I'm not anti-LEO at all but rather I'm anti-Maryland concealed carry "law" which says in part I cannot have a CCW permit but all LEOs (active or retired) are eligible.
Even this guy (http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0810/761226.html). BTW, my dog played with this same husky in this very dog run earlier on Monday. I wasn't there but I'm leaning towards the idea that the cop was pissed his German Shepard was being attacked and he fired.
At least it wasn't a snowball or motorcyclist driving like an idiot.
I gotta move.
We don't do dog parks: "It's Your Job to Protect Your Dog" (http://leerburg.com/dogparks.htm)
Pat
More (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/anne-arundel/bs-md-ar-dog-fight-shooting-20100803,0,7786058.story) of the story.
I was doing sprints around the 'hood today and noticed a news truck at the dog park. I told my fam to watch the news because they were at the dog park. Apparently this story is all over the internets.
Buffalobob
08-05-2010, 10:53
Turn around on the issue.
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=715&sid=2020133
I assume you are aware of Md's position on citizens and CCA. They are being sued on the issue at the moment.
Peregrino
08-05-2010, 13:35
Another reason not to frequent dog parks. Around here (FBNC) "federal officer" usually means some form of rent-a-cop guarding the gate or equivalent LEO doing traffic enforcement. In either event - not the brightest bulbs in the box.
I assume you are aware of Md's position on citizens and CCA. They are being sued on the issue at the moment.
Negative, BB, wasn't aware. I'm definitely going to check that out.
Buffalobob
08-06-2010, 12:40
If you live in Maryland and have a dog, you definitely need to be armed at all times to prevent the police from killing it.
There is a thread here concerning the CCA lawsuit
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=40649
Don't waste your time reading all of the ranting and frothing at the mouth. Just get what you need to know and move on.
Dogs fight. If you can't/won't step in to the fracas to save your dog and/or the other dog, then you are an A-hole with no business at an off leash dog park IMO
Utah Bob
08-06-2010, 15:11
I'd comment but I have no dog in this fight.;)
Buffalobob
08-07-2010, 05:54
Well, the Prince Georges police were bored and did 't have any college kids to beat up so they decided to go back to their old standby.
By Ruben Castaneda
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, August 7, 2010
A Prince George's County sheriff's deputy serving an eviction notice at a Forest Heights house Friday fatally shot a Rottweiler that charged at him, officials said.
The sister of the dog's owner said the deputy should have waited for animal-control officers to arrive. The shooting comes two years after the sheriff's department came under criticism when members of a sheriff's SWAT unit stormed the home of the Berwyn Heights mayor and fatally shot two chocolate Labradors.
The sheriff's department said in a statement that the deputies called county animal-control officials to restrain the dog. The deputies had been told by the landlord that the dog was in a crate in the basement. Before entering the home, deputies knocked on the front and back doors and made a commotion, as they are trained to do before entering a home with animals, the statement said
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/06/AR2010080606146.html
On-Duty SF Trainee Shoots Dogs At Fort Bragg
An SF doggy tale.
SFTG and weekend guard duty circa 1971. One of the guard post's was the vet clinic next to the Drop Zone Airborne Club Annex - a rousing place with lots of opportunities to practice your MMA skills on Friday and Saturday nights. The vet clinic was a post with a single guard armed with an M-16A1 and 5 rounds of ammo.
A call came into the guard house down next to the old Book Store across from the JFK Center that there were shots fired at the vet clinic. MPs were notified and the Officer (CPT) and Sergeant of the Guard (MSG) headed for the vet clinic in separate M151s - about a 2 minute drive.
It turns out the trainee on guard duty claimed he was being attacked by three dogs in their cyclone fenced pens and so had fired all 5 of his 5.56mm rounds into the pen - killing them all.
The guy was relieved and the investigation began. The dogs belonged to a COL with 18ABC, and the trainee was found mentally unstable and separated under a Chap 8 from the service.
We used to talk about it all the time and always wondered whether the guy was really mentally imbalanced or just found a clever way to void his contract.
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
ZonieDiver
08-07-2010, 11:14
armed with an M-16A1 and 5 rounds of ammo
I might add - 5 rounds in a magazine hermetically sealed in the thickest plastic I have ever seen in my life! We always figured it would take 5 minutes to get the rounds out of that bag.
About the time the Jane Fonda-Donald Sutherland "FTA" show came to Fayette-Nam, there were several trainees on guard duty who claimed they were fired upon. It became unofficial "SOP" that if you had a friend on guard duty at the SF Weapons "depot" that you would drop off an unsealed, full magazine to him, just in case.
Police report (http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/acrobat/2010-08/55405713.pdf) from the husky shooting.
According to press, the shooter was actually a Federal Protective Officer vice police.
Why would this guy fire only ONE round and hit the dog in the hindquarters/abdomen? Oh yeah, because he wasn't trying to stop the threat but rather get the husky off his dog (my opinion).
On a different topic, a guy was shot and killed a mile from my house last night. He was stopped at a stoplight.
Anyone wanna rent a townhouse? :eek:
Buffalobob
08-07-2010, 17:35
At Ft Devens the OG kept all of the ammo himself and the guards just had empty weapons. In the OG house was two safes and one of them had the combination dial removed but the other one seemed fine. The DO handbook said to put the ammo in the safe and below that instruction was the combination to the safe.
So being a good and conscientious 2 Lt I put the ammo in the functioning safe and locked it. Of course the handbook said absolutely nothing about locking the safe. Around about midnight or so I got bored and decided to unlock the safe. Of course the combination did not work on the functioning safe. So I called the DO who was a major and not much smarter than me but he knew better than to call anyone. So when daylight came and my tour was over I called the major again and he said the S4 would send a locksmith sometime later.
A few days later one of my friends was OG and he said that the handbook still said to put the ammo in the safe and that now there were two safes with the combination dial removed. :D
Another reason not to frequent dog parks. Around here (FBNC) "federal officer" usually means some form of rent-a-cop guarding the gate or equivalent LEO doing traffic enforcement. In either event - not the brightest bulbs in the box.
How many of those "rent-a-cops" are veterans? How many of them are retired military and just wanted something to do other than push pencils somewhere to supplement their retirement income? What would be an "equivalent LEO" doing traffic enforcement to a "rent-a-cop gate guard"? And what does either have to do with ones level of intelligence? I am sure we have all met some "dim bulbs" in any occupation.
As for this young officer, from reading the available information, it would appear he made a flawed judgement call. He may not be charged criminally, but I would bet he could be found liable in Civil Court.
If you live in Maryland and have a dog, you definitely need to be armed at all times to prevent the police from killing it.
Well, the Prince Georges police were bored and did 't have any college kids to beat up so they decided to go back to their old standby.
ARE YOU FRICKING KIDDING ME???
Are there some bad officers in PG County? Yes, do some make poor decisions? Absolutely. There are roughly1400 officers in PGPD and the vast majority are very professional and do a great job in one of the worst counties in the country. A goggle search will show various crimes (including murder) committed by SF soldiers CONUS, how would you feel if I made ridiculous generalized statements about all SF soldiers because of the actions of a few??? Well that’s how I feel right now…Thanks.
I don’t even know why I’m replying to your posts because after working for a few years in a politically far left very anti-police county I’m getting numb to the abuse. I’m just surprised I’m reading it here.:confused:
Just a suggestion Todd 1, but you may want to remember this is their house.
Even as a support soldier, I consider myself a guest and try to act accordingly. Granted I don't agree with everything posted on this site but I try to defend my opposing positions with facts or at least I try to summarize my fact based opinions.
Just a thought.
ARE YOU FRICKING KIDDING ME???
Are there some bad officers in PG County? Yes, do some make poor decisions? Absolutely. There are roughly1400 officers in PGPD and the vast majority are very professional and do a great job in one of the worst counties in the country. A goggle search will show various crimes (including murder) committed by SF soldiers CONUS, how would you feel if I made ridiculous generalized statements about all SF soldiers because of the actions of a few??? Well that’s how I feel right now…Thanks.
I don’t even know why I’m replying to your posts because after working for a few years in a politically far left very anti-police county I’m getting numb to the abuse. I’m just surprised I’m reading it here.:confused:
Todd, there are several of us on this board that are involved in law enforcement in one way or another, whether LEO's, attorneys or judges. There are also those of every political ideology and religious ideology. There will be those you agree with and do not. Just like on the street, you can't have thin skin.
....., how would you feel if I made ridiculous generalized statements about all SF soldiers because of the actions of a few??? Well that’s how I feel right now…Thanks........
That's because when some SF dude does something boneheaded we're some of the first to call him a bonehead.
Cops seem to close ranks and claim "good shoot" for as long as they can before being forced into "yeah, he was a bonehead".
Our dogs don't go to dog parks - because of the other owners who take their dogs there. While most are OK you never know when the nut is going to show up with "Muffy" who then proceeds to terrorize all the smaller dogs and get the hair standing up on all the other dogs.
There is a lady on the route I walk with two very territorial black lab mixes. It's a crap shoot every time I walk as to she's left the gate open, front door open or the dogs are somewhere on the property playing. Makes for quite a sight, me with two dogs on a leash getting the fast rush by the two labs. We know know how the LEO in question would handle the situation but so far no fur or blood has been spilled.
Theres another older smaller lady who walks a pit bull. He wants to eat anything he sees. The first time we got within a block of them the dog was pulling on the leash so hard it was almost dragging her. She got hold of the collar and laid on top of the dog. We cut off and took another road and I think just about everyone in the area now does the same.
I admit I've thought about how nice it would be to just pull out a gun and shoot a few of the offenders in my neighborhood - but that would be taking the easy way out.
To pull out a gun and shoot a dog in a dog park was stupid.
Buffalobob
08-08-2010, 05:46
In my world a person or group earns respect or in the case of PG police scorn. I have lived here for 29 years. The PG police have been out of control for about that long.
I am well aware that a lot of us go into LE and I tried to be careful with every post to not get into a generalized insult to everyone. And further, when two members wanted to tell funny stories I was happy to help the thread go to funnier stuff and told one of my own.
WholeManin2010
08-08-2010, 14:29
In my world a person or group earns respect or in the case of PG police scorn. I have lived here for 29 years. The PG police have been out of control for about that long.
I am well aware that a lot of us go into LE and I tried to be careful with every post to not get into a generalized insult to everyone. And further, when two members wanted to tell funny stories I was happy to help the thread go to funnier stuff and told one of my own.
Hell, I thought it was pretty funny. Now, about that Elk hunt... :D
Utah Bob
08-08-2010, 16:36
I don’t even know why I’m replying to your posts because after working for a few years in a politically far left very anti-police county I’m getting numb to the abuse. I’m just surprised I’m reading it here.:confused:
Take it easy Todd. You'll blow a gasket. ;) All types of folks and all types of attitudes and viewpoints on this site.
Dogs fight. If you can't/won't step in to the fracas to save your dog and/or the other dog, then you are an A-hole with no business at an off leash dog park IMO
I'll be sure to pass that along to my friend that just lost a finger due to injuries sustained trying to break up a dog fight.
On-Duty SF Trainee Shoots Dogs At Fort Bragg
An SF doggy tale.
- a rousing place with lots of opportunities to practice your MMA skills on Friday and Saturday nights.
Now that is what I call funny. :)
Having been on a city council, dogs and dog owners are a very heated and emotional subject. Where I live, it is important that the owner is aware of the laws and maintain control over their dogs. I live rural and every now and then some urbanite with a really neat city breed dog, will think it is cute and fun for the dog to play with someones sheep. Until they hear the report from a rifle. Sheep owners do not share in the same view. Then the news picks up on the story and the emotions run very heated pro and con. IMHO, the article really did not say much, but pushed the notion they shooter responded too quickly. If a dog was coming at me, I don't think I would wait to shoot it, until it took a hunk out of my hide. I like dogs better than people generally. A lot of good dogs have paid the price for their owners stupidity.
Streck-Fu
08-19-2010, 14:55
If a dog was coming at me, I don't think I would wait to shoot it, until it took a hunk out of my hide.
Multiple reports do not indicate that the dog was going after the cop rather the dogs were playing rough (as described by the witnesses interviewed). The officer's dog received zero injuries as expressed by the local animal control.
Seems like a nervous cop.
Buffalobob
11-15-2010, 13:21
Just a little update for Todd1.
November 15, 2010 -
WASHINGTON -- Three Prince George's County police officers were arrested Monday for extortion and drug trafficking, says a U.S. attorney, just days after County Executive Jack Johnson's corruption allegations.
U.S. Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein announced Sgt. Rich Delabrer, Cpl. Chong Kim and Officer Sinisa Simic and six others have been charged with conspiracy to commit extortion and conspiracy to transport and distribute cocaine.
The FBI arrested the three officers as they came to work in Beltsville Monday morning, according to county Police Chief Roberto L. Hylton. They will also execute seven search warrants in several locations around the county.
The charges are not explicitly connected with the Johnson investigation, and may be a part of a larger probe into county corruption.
Federal agents raided the Tick Tock Liquor store, where Sgt. Delabrer worked as an off-duty security officer, in Hyattsville, Md. Monday in connection with the investigation, the Washington Post reports.
The store's owner, Amrik Singh Melhi, allegedly paid Delabrer and Kim to guard and secure the distribution of untaxed alcohol and cigarettes in Maryland and Virginia, according to the Post. Melhi and four others are charged with conspiracy to commit extortion.
The agents also searched the home of Sgt. Delabrer, NBC 4 reports, and confiscated boxes of papers.
In connection with the crimes, $3.5 million, 25 properties, 13 vehicles and 84 bank accounts have also been seized, the Post reports.
I don’t and never have defended bad officers, if they are convicted good riddance and I hope they get the maximum sentence. Unfortunately they are not the first and won’t be the last, the shitty part is the good officers always have to suffer with the blowback from the community.....it sucks.
Buffalobob
11-16-2010, 08:24
the shitty part is the good officers always have to suffer with the blowback from the community.....it sucks.
That is correct.
Philosophy lesson is that an organization will begin to take on the habits and traits of its leadership. I was the senior civil service supervisor and one day an asbestos inspector came to me and asked for a promotion. I asked what his immediate supervisor said and he said she wouldn't promote him. So I called in the immediate and next level supervisor and asked about the promotion and they said his work was not good enough. So that is what I told him. He then went above me to the political appointee who agreed to promote him over our objections.
This is the story of what happened six months later--
http://www.ll.georgetown.edu/federal/judicial/dc/opinions/05opinions/05-3196a.pdf
Here is a link to a mess that I refused to allow my name or any of my staff to be associated with because when I read the first draft report I could see what had been done in the analysis. The same political appointee in the above story was the driving force behind the deliberately flawed analysis. He was willing for children to suffer in order to protect his career. He died of cancer a couple of years ago and I thought that was a fitting end to a worthless POS.
http://www.healthjournalism.org/blog/2010/05/cdc-used-flawed-data-on-lead-in-drinking-water/
A military unit will behave good or bad according to how they are led. I always cringe when the confused and bewildered wind up on the 18A section of the forum asking about running an ODA.