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Nightfall
08-04-2010, 11:53
Sirs,

So I was having a couple of drinks with a retired Ranger friend of mine. He progressively got more and more tipsy as we discussed my coming enlistment and as he did so, became quite beligerant. Up to this point he's been very respectful and supportive of my descision to volunteer. This night was an exception. Questions such as "Why in God's name are you doing this? What the hell is wrong with you? I just don't think you can handle it, you are gonna go places, do things, and see things that nobody should ever have to deal with." He also pointed out that I was way over thinking my enlistment and that I should just go or don't (MEPS for me Tuesday next week)... Either way, the conversation went on throughout the evening, and at about the point he lost his shoes (read: REALLY drunk), he looked at me and asked me the following:

"Do you even know the difference between a soldier and a professional soldier?"

I replied that I didn't have a response for that (not that at this point it would have seemed to make any difference), and he just shook his head, mumbled something, and wandered off. It of course made me feel like a schmuck, him leaving on that note and not explaining where all of this was coming from. Seemed something I should have perhaps already know the answer to. Maybe it was just the beer talking, maybe he was rehashing somethings from his service in his head, maybe not. Either way it's been bothering me for a few days now, so finally, I hesistate to even ask, what did he mean by that? I mean I read all the time the SF refering to themselves as Professional Soldiers and Quiet Professionals, but perhaps I'm missing the forest due to all the trees... Perhaps I'm being too specific with my searches or missing the point entirely then not being specific enough. May I be so bold as to ask for you gentlemen's thoughts on the matter?


"He impaired his vision by holding the object too close. He might see, perhaps, one or two points with unusual clearness, but in so doing he, necessarily, lost sight of the matter as a whole. Thus there is such a thing as being too profound. Truth is not always in a well." -E. A. Poe

lksteve
08-04-2010, 11:59
Don't argue with drunks, don't wrestle with pigs...does this friend remember the conversation or the question or have you seen him since?
I wouldn't trouble myself with the question, there aren't very many privates in the Army that honestly know the answer to that...rather than worry about the question, I'd be doing PT if I were you...

Paslode
08-04-2010, 14:20
Do you even know the difference between a soldier and a professional soldier?


You might make a correlation between the person whom is satisfied to merely collect a pay check and works from 8 sharp to 5 sharp, versus the dedicated, self motivated employee that arrives early and leaves late, steps up under any circumstance regardless of monetary compensation.

The 8 to 5 guy is generally worried about not getting compensated for time worked, the self-motivated guy is there to learn and will take advantage of every opportunity to push their personal limits.

YMMV

Utah Bob
08-06-2010, 15:13
Do you know the difference between a drunk Ranger and a sober Ranger?

LongWire
08-06-2010, 15:19
Do you know the difference between a drunk Ranger and a sober Ranger?


Damn, if I had been drinking something, it would be on the screen by now!!!! :D

Mike
08-08-2010, 04:33
Getting your panties in a wad over a deal like this is not a good sign.

He had some good points, drunk or not.

What are you gonna do in the face of some really ugly stuff where you might actually have to do something?

Buffalobob
08-08-2010, 05:16
I'm looking for a good hunting partner and the Ranger seems to be my kind of a guy.


I already have my hunting permits and am not free until early November to go again. I am hardcore still and my general disposition has not mellowed. I have no tolerance for laziness nor excessive stupidity. Excessive stupidity includes not knowing what an elk looks like and not being able to hit one when it is there to be shot. Laziness includes not doing camp chores and deciding to sleep in instead of getting up and going hunting. The only whining allowed is for cold and snow. I am not your wife nor mother and if you can't get through the day without some woman fixing your meals and laying out your gear then stay away from me.

Other than those things and my other general peculiarities I am easy to get along with (sometimes).

Nightfall
08-10-2010, 13:43
I must have missed a reply somewhere or it was deleted... Not sure where the hunting quote came from...

Ha isn't much of a hunter, my Ranger friend. To be honest, when he isn't working or in the bar, he is most likely sleeping. Heck, that man works more than anyone I've ever seen.

And no he doesn't really remember the conversation, vague recollections at best. He recalls telling me that I'm over thinking it, and is back to his relatively( :) ) normal supportive self. Just waiting for me to sign the dotted, which par for the course got moved due to some training at the MEPS center so I'm waiting to hear back from the recruiter for my new date with Uncle Sam.

I agree that he has some good points. My panties however, were far from in a wad.

As far as what I will do in a hairy situation? Who can say? I would hazard I would fall back to my training, hopefully, but I'm not going to get all braggadocious and say "I'm going to be Rambo" or get all "John Wayne on some insurgents." In as much as I've never been one to freeze up for panic in a stressful situation, I've never been in a warzone nor in what I consider a true combat situation. I've been shot at multiple times, and been in enough fights to know how I react in something like that, but I'm fairly certain those street-type situations are not even a far cry from what I could potentially encounter, so I for certain can't know how I would react in combat. I'm not sure anyone could prior to actually experiencing it. I spent a lot of time on the street growing up (not by my choice) and had to learn to do things, eat things, handle things most kids my age wouldn't have dreamed of so I would hope my resiliance to adversity would be a strength, but you just can never tell can you? I just hope the Army trains me for what it can, and hope that my commanding officers are knowledgable enough to prepare me for what the Army doesn't, and hopefully I have the resources to prepare myself as much as possible. In the end, do everything in my power to not be just the FNG and listen to those that know.

Either way, thanks for the responses gentlemen. I appreciate it.

Dozer523
08-10-2010, 17:10
My panties however, were far from in a wad.

As far as what I will do in a hairy situation? Who can say? I would hazard I would fall back to my training, hopefully, but I'm not going to get all braggadocious and say . . . blah blah blah. . . You ARE the guy in the tie. . . right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPLrXFw76Qg

Here is some advice: Stay out of Ranger Bars. (reminds me of Steilacoom, Wa.)

jw74
08-10-2010, 17:31
[QUOTE=Dozer523;343144]You ARE the guy in the tie. . . right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPLrXFw76Qg

The 80's. Some decades need a delete key.

ZonieDiver
08-10-2010, 18:18
You ARE the guy in the tie. . . right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPLrXFw76Qg

Here is some advice: Stay out of Ranger Bars. (reminds me of Steilacoom, Wa.)

I was going to say that the title of this thread needed to be changed.

There is no need for the word "potentially" in it. :D

FearMonkey
08-11-2010, 03:03
Damn, if I had been drinking something, it would be on the screen by now!!!!

Soon! Very very soon! ;)

Do you know the difference between a drunk Ranger and a sober Ranger?

Nightfall, I wouldn't dwell on it. You sound like you are dedicated and ready to give your best to the challenges ahead. Soon enough, you might be able to look him directly in the eye and say, "Yes, I know exactly what the difference is between a soldier and a professional soldier." Good luck.