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incarcerated
06-26-2010, 00:50
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/la-me-welfare-casinos-20100625,0,1615510.story?track=rss

California welfare recipients withdrew $1.8 million at casino ATMs over eight months

By Jack Dolan, Los Angeles Times
June 25, 2010
California welfare recipients using state-issued debit cards withdrew more than $1.8 million in taxpayer cash on casino floors between October 2009 and last month, state officials said Thursday.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger issued an executive order requiring welfare recipients to promise they will use cash benefits only to "meet the basic subsistence needs" of their families. The order also gave the state Department of Social Services seven days to produce a plan to reduce other types of "waste, fraud and abuse" in the welfare program.

The moves came after The Times reported Wednesday that officials at the department failed to notice for years that welfare recipients could use the state-issued cards to withdraw taxpayer cash at more than half of the tribal casinos and state-licensed poker rooms in California. The state initiated the debit card program in 2002.

Casino withdrawals, which represented far less than 1% of total welfare spending during the eight months for which the department released data, averaged just over $227,392 a month.

Schwarzenegger has already ordered the vendor that runs the state welfare system's ATM network to prohibit the cards from working at casino machines. Republican lawmakers are now calling on the administration to track down the people who withdrew cash at gaming centers and recover the money.

"I'd say that $227,000 per month is an astounding waste of taxpayer dollars," said Seth Unger, spokesman for Assembly Republican Leader Martin Garrick of Solana Beach. "To me it is absolutely clear that the department failed in its duty to provide oversight. We should explore all options to get the money back."

The electronic benefit transfer cards allow welfare recipients to access two accounts: cash offered through the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program and an electronic version of food stamps, which comes with strict rules governing how the money can be spent.

The cash benefits, however, can be withdrawn and spent just about anywhere. A Times review of state records found that the cards work at ATMs in 32 of 58 tribal casinos and 47 of 90 state-licensed poker rooms.

Most of the ATMs impose a withdrawal limit of about $300 a day. The monthly cash grant for a family of three ranges up to $694, while families with more than 10 people can get as much as $1,469, documents from the Social Services Department show.

Some Assembly Republicans called Thursday for assurances that welfare recipients can't access ATMs at other "seedy" businesses. "If they're going to shut down … the casinos, why not also shut down the ATMs at liquor stores and bars?" Unger asked.

Schwarzenegger spokesman Aaron McLear said the point of the executive order was to force the department to examine the program for all manner of abuse, but did not specify any other kinds of businesses that might be weeded out of the network. "We're going to eliminate any waste, fraud and abuse that makes sense to eliminate," he said.

Democrats, who have been fighting to preserve the state's fraying social safety net in the face of a $19-billion budget gap, angrily rejected a Schwarzenegger proposal last month to eliminate the cash portion of welfare.

That was before anyone in Sacramento realized the money could be withdrawn by someone strolling from a poker game to a blackjack table.

Democratic leaders steered away from specifics while discussing calls for reform.

"We will conduct timely legislative oversight," said Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento). "We want to make sure all families are spending the money on the children it's intended to serve."

wandering_idiot
06-26-2010, 02:58
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger issued an executive order requiring welfare recipients to promise they will use cash benefits only to "meet the basic subsistence needs" of their families.

Apparently that doesn't translate into "C'mon... Baby needs a new pair of shoes!"

alright4u
06-26-2010, 19:39
Apparently that doesn't translate into "C'mon... Baby needs a new pair of shoes!"

Hand outs on a debit card? Who has the state contract for the cards? Do medical dope places take these cards? How about con artists giving 20 bucks for 100 in mercandise bought with the cards?

Guy
06-27-2010, 01:55
I would have ordered every last card used in the casinos deactivated IMMEDIATELY!:lifter

Stay safe.

greenberetTFS
06-27-2010, 02:39
I would have ordered every last card used in the casinos deactivated IMMEDIATELY!:lifter

Stay safe.


Guy is right on target,they should deactivate those cards from people that abuse them.........................:mad::mad:

Big Teddy :munchin

alright4u
06-28-2010, 00:27
Guy is right on target,they should deactivate those cards from people that abuse them.........................:mad::mad:

Big Teddy :munchin

Agreed.

HOLLiS
06-29-2010, 14:52
Along with the deactivation, how about paying back the money.

rubberneck
06-29-2010, 15:14
I would have ordered every last card used in the casinos deactivated IMMEDIATELY!:lifter

Stay safe.

Not only would I have done that but I would have directed the states AG to explore prosecuting those people for committing welfare fraud.

Pete
07-01-2010, 14:33
Welfare recipients get $12,000 from strip club ATMs

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-welfare-20100701,0,6705176.story

In addition to casinos they're getting it in strip clubs.

".......Advocates for the poor say that it would be unconscionable to cut any more from the state's already shrinking social safety net, arguing that there are good reasons to preserve access to cash benefits even at gambling establishments.

"Casinos in some rural places have become like little hubs of the community," said Michael Herald, a lobbyist for the Western Center on Law and Poverty. "My guess is there's a small contingent of CalWorks recipients who work at, or live near, these casinos.".........."

Green Light
07-01-2010, 16:52
Here's a GL MOO moment:

To help stop this sort of fraud and waste:


Stop giving cash, checks, or other monetary instruments to welfare receipients.
Pay rent directly to the lessor, but only on exsisting contracts.
Give food benefits according to the number and age of family members (no Class B dependents)
Deliver the food directly to the home or have the family pick it up at distribution centers.
Put recipients of welfare to work on work projects 4 days/week and a 5th day of "job fair" types of meetings.
Turn down a job offer and lose benefits; monitor and adjust benefits monthly; decrease the subsidy for housing first, then food, etc, dollar for dollar


Never EVER give them a "plastic peso", a check, or cash. Make welfare subsistence only and make it a bit uncomfortable.

alright4u
07-01-2010, 17:36
Here's a GL MOO moment:

To help stop this sort of fraud and waste:


Stop giving cash, checks, or other monetary instruments to welfare receipients.
Pay rent directly to the lessor, but only on exsisting contracts.
Give food benefits according to the number and age of family members (no Class B dependents)
Deliver the food directly to the home or have the family pick it up at distribution centers.
Put recipients of welfare to work on work projects 4 days/week and a 5th day of "job fair" types of meetings.
Turn down a job offer and lose benefits; monitor and adjust benefits monthly; decrease the subsidy for housing first, then food, etc, dollar for dollar


Never EVER give them a "plastic peso", a check, or cash. Make welfare subsistence only and make it a bit uncomfortable.

Yes. Never give cash to anyone begging.

We give to St Jude and the rescue mission here. If the clown is begging on the streets he is not trying.