Toronto man arrested in G20 bomb plot

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gz_EunJ6sOBWluGEC9_7lU81siHg

Toronto man arrested in G20 bomb plot

By Michel Comte (AFP) – 2 hours ago
OTTAWA — A 37-year-old Toronto man was charged on Wednesday with possession of explosives alleged to be part of a plot to bomb a G20 summit being held this week in the Canadian city, police said.

In a statement, the Integrated Security Unit (ISU) responsible for summit security said Byron Sonne, 37, was arrested after a raid on a home in midtown Toronto, several kilometers (miles) from the G20 summit site.

"The investigation is ongoing as part of the Toronto Police Service's efforts to ensure a safe and secure G20 Summit," said a statement. "There is no risk to public safety and this time."

ISU spokesman Sergeant Tim Burrows told AFP the charges -- intimidation, threat against the justice system, possession of explosives and dangerous weapons, and mischief -- are "very serious."

"We had information that linked this to the G20 and G8," Burrows said.

Local media said more than 50 officers were involved in the raid on the million-dollar Toronto home midday Tuesday. Officers continued to search the home on Wednesday, Burrows said.

Meanwhile, the suspect was to appear in court Wednesday morning.

Canadian police are being extra vigilant in the run-up to the back-to-back June 25-27 G8 and G20 summits in the Toronto region.

Some 20,000 policemen from across Canada have been assigned to secure summit sites in Toronto and Huntsville, north of the metropolis.

On Tuesday, authorities launched a hunt for a small black car believed to have been involved in shots fired in a restricted zone where G20 leaders will meet in downtown Toronto.

No one was injured, and "there is no information at this point to suggest that it had anything to do with the G20," Toronto police Constable Wendy Drummond told AFP.

"It appears the shots were fired into the air," she said. Shell casings were found at the scene.

The incident occurred only two blocks from the Toronto convention center where G20 leaders will meet.

The shots were fired inside an area that will be closed to traffic during the summit, but outside a three-meter-high (10-foot) perimeter fence around the summit site itself that will be accessible only to delegates and media covering the event.

Earlier this month, police also probed a suspicious purchase of a large amount of chemical fertilizer that could be used to make explosives.

Counterterrorism officers and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police had taken over the investigation from the local authorities in the Niagara region, southwest of Toronto.

The man bought the ammonium nitrate from a store in London in southern Ontario on May 26 but failed to produce identification as required by law.

It turned out the man just wanted the substance to grow plants.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65L4LW20100624?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

Canada police make 2nd explosives arrest before G20

TORONTO
Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:59pm EDT
(Reuters) - Toronto police, on high alert before the G8 and G20 summits, said on Thursday they had arrested a woman on explosive and firearms charges whose common-law husband was earlier arrested on similar charges.
They said the 37-year-old woman was arrested on Wednesday and charged with possession of an explosive device and possession of a weapon for dangerous purposes. She was due to appear in a Toronto court later in the day....

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http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/06/24/man-detained-outside-g20-summit/

Man Detained Outside G20 Summit

June 24, 2010 - 2:51 PM | by: Michael Tobin
Developing: Police with the Integrated Security Unit guarding the G20 summit in Toronto say they have detained a 52 year old man with hazardous materials in his car and an array of weapons.

The hazardous materials are defined as 5 containers of gasoline. Police say the crude weapons range from a cross bow to a pellet gun and a baseball bat.

[Defender968]

The hazardous materials are defined as 5 containers of gasoline. Police say the crude weapons range from a cross bow to a pellet gun and a baseball bat.

Yea....he I'm sure this guy was poised to take hundreds of lives....glad they got to this serious threat before he did some real damage :rolleyes: I heard his plan was to blind a guard with a pellet to the eye, and then set the building on fire using the gasoline and a flaming arrow.....and then he had a second phase planned which consisted of a follow-on assault of vicious paddling’s of G20 officials using the ever dangerous boat oar.........the LEO who pulled him over must be very proud :rolleyes:

[Richard]

G8/20 conference to discuss reducing spending incurs security costs of + $1B.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128112738

And so it goes...

Richard's $.02 :munchin

[ZonieDiver]

G8/20 conference to discuss reducing spending incurs security costs of + $1B.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128112738

And so it goes...

Richard's $.02 :munchin

This is like the 'global warming' conference wher the participants flew into the country on private jets and took individual limousines to the site!

Does 'their' hypocrisy know no end?

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Yea....he I'm sure this guy was poised to take hundreds of lives....glad they got to this serious threat before he did some real damage :rolleyes:

No, it doesn’t measure up to that level. These are just the people that a lot of Laker fans want to grow up and be some day. They keep their violence below a certain threshold, and avoid targeting people, unless they’re police.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc
….Tactics of a black bloc can include vandalism, rioting and street fighting, demonstrating without a permit, misleading the authorities, assisting in the escape of people arrested by the police, administering first aid to persons affected by tear gas in areas where protesters are barred from entering, building barricades, and attacking police.[3] Property destruction carried out by black blocs tends to have symbolic significance: common targets include banks, institutional buildings, outlets for multinational corporations, gasoline stations, and video-surveillance cameras….The first recorded use of the tactic in United States of America was in 1989 at a protest at the Pentagon. Other early use in the US were the Earth Day Wall Street Action in 1990 and the February 1991 protests against the Gulf War….


See also:
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/torontog20summit/article/829168--violent-black-bloc-tactics-on-display-at-g20-protest?bn=1
….The Black Bloc strategy is simple: show up at demonstrations and attack symbols of capitalism. The hope is that police will react, while the protesters shed their black clothes and melt into the crowd.
One website claims it is used as a “security and safety measure.”
The idea of wearing the all-black uniform is that everyone in the “bloc” looks alike, so when a brick is tossed through a store window or a car is set ablaze, the group disperses, making it next to impossible for police to identify the perpetrator of the crime.
It also prevents them from being singled out in media photographs or television coverage…With no structure and no purported leaders, it is difficult for authorities to track the group.


Photo caption:
TORONTO, ON - JUNE 26: A shattered glass-plate window cascades down as violent anti-G20 protesters, using Black Bloc tactics, smash and loot their way through downtown June 26, 2010 in Toronto, Canada. Violent protesters burned police cars, smashed shop fronts and confronted the force of approximately 20,000 police who were charged with keeping order during the first day of the G20 Summit.

[Defender968]

No, it doesn’t measure up to that level. These are just the people that a lot of Laker fans want to grow up and be some day. They keep their violence below a certain threshold, and avoid targeting people, unless they’re police.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc
….Tactics of a black bloc can include vandalism, rioting and street fighting, demonstrating without a permit, misleading the authorities, assisting in the escape of people arrested by the police, administering first aid to persons affected by tear gas in areas where protesters are barred from entering, building barricades, and attacking police.[3] Property destruction carried out by black blocs tends to have symbolic significance: common targets include banks, institutional buildings, outlets for multinational corporations, gasoline stations, and video-surveillance cameras….The first recorded use of the tactic in United States of America was in 1989 at a protest at the Pentagon. Other early use in the US were the Earth Day Wall Street Action in 1990 and the February 1991 protests against the Gulf War….


See also:
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/torontog20summit/article/829168--violent-black-bloc-tactics-on-display-at-g20-protest?bn=1
….The Black Bloc strategy is simple: show up at demonstrations and attack symbols of capitalism. The hope is that police will react, while the protesters shed their black clothes and melt into the crowd.
One website claims it is used as a “security and safety measure.”
The idea of wearing the all-black uniform is that everyone in the “bloc” looks alike, so when a brick is tossed through a store window or a car is set ablaze, the group disperses, making it next to impossible for police to identify the perpetrator of the crime.
It also prevents them from being singled out in media photographs or television coverage…With no structure and no purported leaders, it is difficult for authorities to track the group.


Photo caption:
TORONTO, ON - JUNE 26: A shattered glass-plate window cascades down as violent anti-G20 protesters, using Black Bloc tactics, smash and loot their way through downtown June 26, 2010 in Toronto, Canada. Violent protesters burned police cars, smashed shop fronts and confronted the force of approximately 20,000 police who were charged with keeping order during the first day of the G20 Summit.

Ok maybe I'm missing something, is there something liking this guy to Black Bloc or code pink? He doesn't really fit the demographic for code pick, as I don't think I have EVER heard of any 50 year olds in that org, I can't say I know too much about Black Bloc but from the pics you've posted as well as the videos on the news I don't see to ANY 50 something’s jumping on cars or fighting with the LEOs. My point was the items in his car were not illegal, nor does having them make him a threat, if they guy pulls out the crossbow and puts an arrow through someone, burns up a squad car with his gas, or breaks a window with his bat...then by all means lets lock him up, but merely having those things doesn't make him a terrorist or a threat, in fact I can honestly say it sounds like he was headed camping for the weekend with a boat, or any number of other plausible reasons to have those items in a car. Had he been in possession of illegal arms, explosives, and body armor....ok got it.... there's a possible threat...maybe, but look at what he had....and keep in mind this is not a teen with purple hair, unless there is more to this story locking this guy up was a waste of time, money and manpower. They've got plenty of more dangerous folks to worry about right now.

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These are just the people that a lot of Laker fans want to grow up and be some day. They keep their violence below a certain threshold, and avoid targeting people, unless they’re police.
Would you have preferred there be no protesters during Pittsburgh G-20 summit in 2009?

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Ok maybe I'm missing something, is there something liking this guy to Black Bloc or code pink? He doesn't really fit the demographic for code pick, as I don't think I have EVER heard of any 50 year olds in that org, I can't say I know too much about Black Bloc but from the pics you've posted as well as the videos on the news I don't see to ANY 50 something’s jumping on cars or fighting with the LEOs. My point was the items in his car were not illegal, nor does having them make him a threat, if they guy pulls out the crossbow and puts an arrow through someone, burns up a squad car with his gas, or breaks a window with his bat...then by all means lets lock him up, but merely having those things doesn't make him a terrorist or a threat, in fact I can honestly say it sounds like he was headed camping for the weekend with a boat, or any number of other plausible reasons to have those items in a car. Had he been in possession of illegal arms, explosives, and body armor....ok got it.... there's a possible threat...maybe, but look at what he had....and keep in mind this is not a teen with purple hair, unless there is more to this story locking this guy up was a waste of time, money and manpower. They've got plenty of more dangerous folks to worry about right now.

I expect he was running support. I also expect his defense attorney will use the same argument: he was merely going camping.
Is body armor illegal in Canada?



Would you have preferred there be no protesters during Pittsburgh G-20 summit in 2009?

I don’t think I understand your question.

[Defender968]

I expect he was running support. I also expect his defense attorney will use the same argument: he was merely going camping.
Is body armor illegal in Canada?

I don't know the laws in Canada...but in the US IMO unless there is more here that we don't know, the threshold for probable cause for an arrest was not met, I think the LEO could have articulated the reasonable suspicion for the stop, but beyond that no crime was committed. The LEO was even quoted as saying they didn't know what the things he had were for, if they guy fesses up to being a rioter then fine lock him up, but without further info it is as likely that the items the guy had were for camping as it was that they were for rioting, and I take taking away someone’s freedom very seriously. I'd rather let a bad guy go free than break the law to get him, if I ignore the law to get the bad guy what separates me from him?

The reason I brought up the illegal weapons and body armor were for an example, if you've got an illegal weapon and body armor now it's easier to articulate a greater level of danger to the public, and in many US states if you commit a crime while wearing body armor it's an additional felony carrying additional time, if someone has gone through the trouble to have an illegal weapon and body armor then there may be a threat there and you have the weapon violation to arrest the guy on. Had they guy had all the weapons he had and gasoline in glass bottles with wicks (molotov cocktails) then that would be different as it would show intent to use the items in their totality in an illegal manner, but that is not the case here, I'd like to know what he was charged with...the only thing I can think of at this point under US law would be inciting public panic, but that's going to fly like a pig off the roof as the items were not in the public view.

[6.8SPC_DUMP]

There were protesters during the Pittsburgh G-20 summit in 2009.

Does this bother you? Would you rather there had been no one protesting?

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I don't know the laws in Canada...but in the US IMO unless there is more here that we don't know, the threshold for probable cause for an arrest was not met….

Hard to try the guy based on a few news stories.



There were protesters during the Pittsburgh G-20 summit in 2009.

Does this bother you? Would you rather there had been no one protesting?

Protest is a fundamental, First Amendment right to assembly and political speech. That said, in Pittsburg and Toronto, there were both ‘Peaceful’ protestors and violent Black Blockheads. Whether they intend to or not, the ‘Peacefuls’ provide cover for and facilitate the violent, criminal activities of the BBs. The ‘Peacefuls’ may be in agreement with the aims and methods of the BBs, or they may not. If they were not, the ‘Peacefuls’ need to condemn the BBs and cooperate fully with the police. Failure to do both of those things would suggest that the ’Peacefuls’ may be in sympathy with the BBs. Such a failure would also make the purported intentions and statements of the ’Peacefuls’ irrelevant: as so long as they are not actively opposing the BBs, the ‘Peacefuls‘ are de facto aiding and abetting the activities of the BBs and function as accomplices to the violence.

When groups like these use the rights and privileges of our society against society itself, everyone’s rights and security are threatened and degraded. This technique of using the system against itself is a highly effective hallmark of the Left.

[Defender968]

Hard to try the guy based on a few news stories..

I'm not trying him, I simply don't understand what you could charge the guy who was arrested with....if you can think of a statute he has violated I'd be curious to hear it, maybe things are different in Canada, but in the US that's a bad arrest IMO. You can think a guy is up to no good all day long...but assumptions, guesses, or gut feelings are not sufficient to make an arrest.

When groups like these use the rights and privileges of our society against society itself, everyone’s rights and security are threatened and degraded. This technique of using the system against itself is a highly effective hallmark of the Left.

Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither. Benjamin Franklin

I'm all about getting the bad guys, but when we ignore the law to do that the whole system comes down IMO, what stops them from trumping up charges against you or me?