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Paslode
06-21-2010, 10:07
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2415428,weekend-shooting-roundup-062110.article

Eight dead among 52 shot across city over weekend
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June 21, 2010
Sun-Times Media Wire

Eight people were killed and at least 44 others were shot across the city Friday night into early Monday, including a baby girl who suffered a graze wound to the neck when gunfire erupted at a Near West Side barbecue.

Those killed included a 29-year-old man found shot in the chest about 3 a.m. Monday in the 7500 block of South Halsted Street near a South Side church, according to Gresham District police. A passing motorist found the man, who was dressed in women's clothing, lying dead on the sidewalk. He remained unidentified Monday morning, according to the Cook County Medical Examiner's office.

In the South Side Englewood neighborhood, 44-year-old Darryl Dunn was found dead with a gunshot wound to the head in the 7200 block of South Marshfield Avenue at 2:02 a.m. Monday, authorities said.

About 1:52 a.m. Monday, 25-year-old Larry Johnson of the 14000 block of Park Avenue in Lansing was shot in the 6400 block of South Ingleside Avenue in the South Side Woodlawn neighborhood. He died nearly two hours later at a hospital, police said.

Durwin Hackman, 20, of the 3100 block of West 172nd Street in Hazel Crest, was killed in a shooting that also injured two others about 11:10 p.m. in the 700 block of West 111th Street in the Far South Side Roseland neighborhood. The three victims were involved in a verbal altercation over a female when other males began to shoot before fleeing the scene.

A 19-year-old man was also taken to Christ Hospital with a gunshot wound to his abdomen and he was listed in critical condition, police said. The third victim, a 21-year-old man, was in "stable" condition at Christ Hospital with a gunshot wound to his left arm.

Three men, two of whom were related, were found fatally shot in the West Side Lawndale neighborhood early Saturday in what police consider gang-related slayings.

The victims were 25-year-old Waseem Smith, 45-year-old Barry Smith and 28-year-old Leon Smith, according to the medical examiner's office. They were shot just after 3 a.m. in the 2300 block of South Springfield Avenue, police said. Police found two of the men in separate cars and the third lying on the street outside one of the cars.

A 19-year-old man died Sunday night after being shot in the head Friday night in the 1800 block of West 87th Street, police said. Pierre York of the 8600 block of South Wood Street was walking down the street with a friend when they were confronted by a gunman, who fled after shooting York, police said.

In addition to the homicides, at least nine people were shot early Monday, including four men and a baby girl who were injured when gunfire erupted during an outside barbecue on the Near West Side early Monday.

The shooting happened at 12:11 a.m. at the 1300 block of West Hastings Street, according to a Monroe District police lieutenant. Several people attending the barbecue heard shots fired and "everybody started running," the lieutenant said.

One shot struck a 1-year-old girl, who suffered a graze wound to the neck. Four men were also shot, police said. One of the victims, a 34-year-old man, was taken to John H. Stroger Jr. Hospital of Cook County in critical condition with a gunshot wound to the abdomen. The other three men suffered injuries that were not believed to be life-threatening.

On Sunday, at least 10 people were shot, including a 16-year-old girl who was critically wounded when shots rang out during a fight on a South Side street.

The girl was standing outside on the 1200 block of East 78th Street at 8:15 p.m. when several fights broke out and one person pulled out a handgun, according to a South Chicago District police captain. The girl was struck in the back and taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn in critical condition.

On an especially violent Saturday, at least 21 people were shot. That included five people injured in four shootings in the West Side Humboldt Park neighborhood, just blocks from the annual Puerto Rican festival.

Following Friday's violent storms, at least one person was injured in a shooting on the South Side.

Sten
06-21-2010, 10:10
Not sure I see the proof? Should the baby have been armed?

Paslode
06-21-2010, 11:44
Not sure I see the proof? Should the baby have been armed?

People get killed with or with bans. People kill people, guns don't kill people.

Sigaba
06-21-2010, 12:38
Not sure I see the proof[.]Agreed.

IMO, 'proof' would require some sort of evidence demonstrating that were it not for Chicago's gun ban, the specific acts violence discussed in the OP would have been less. Or, the article could have contrasted the outburst of violence to a similar community (demographically, socially, economically, and culturally) that was more peaceful because its residents were not prohibited from exercising their rights under the second amendment.

Streck-Fu
06-21-2010, 12:44
Agreed.

IMO, 'proof' would require some sort of evidence demonstrating that were it not for Chicago's gun ban, the specific acts violence discussed in the OP would have been less.

The proof of fail is that guns are still available to criminals even though prohibited by law. Such laws are sold as a means to reduce or eliminate crimes committed with the prohibited device. The opposite is proven when all cities with de facto bans on firearms also own the highest rates of violent crime committed with firearms.

Sigaba
06-21-2010, 13:32
The proof of fail is that guns are still available to criminals even though prohibited by law..By this logic, every law that is broken is a failure.

To be clear, we're in the same chapter (if not on the same page) when it comes to the second amendment. We're not going to get folks who disagree to reconsider their views with slapdash arguments that "prove" this, that, or the other.

Correlation is not causation.

Paslode
06-21-2010, 13:48
The 24 hour casualty count of 52 is staggering, it is something I expect to hear from a war zone like Iraq or Afghanistan....not a US City. It would appear that Chicago is a war zone and policing it seems to be beyond the capabilities of the local Government.

As it stands, Mayor Daley has left the law abiding population to the mercy of criminals and the response time of the Police. If I where a Chicago resident, it would be my wish to have the means to protect myself without being considered a criminal.

Sten
06-21-2010, 14:06
The 24 hour casualty count of 52 is staggering, it is something I expect to hear from a war zone like Iraq or Afghanistan....not a US City. It would appear that Chicago is a war zone and policing it seems to be beyond the capabilities of the local Government.

As it stands, Mayor Daley has left the law abiding population to the mercy of criminals and the response time of the Police. If I where a Chicago resident, it would be my wish to have the means to protect myself without being considered a criminal.
For the numbers to really mean something we need to see a neighborhood by neighborhood breakdown of the shootings? I will guess that the shootings did not occur in Lincoln Park.

I 100% agree with you that the Ban is stupid, but I fail to see proof of that in the OPs article.

dr. mabuse
06-21-2010, 14:25
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Sten
06-21-2010, 15:01
It is a "proof of fail" of their view, is it not?

Perhaps a "forest for the trees" reflection is in order here. :munchin

Not really, if a Chicagoan who lives in Lincoln Park sees the city as mostly safe where a resident of the Pullman neighborhood sees the city as mostly unsafe.

So to claim that a rash of shootings in the worst neighborhoods, where gangs drugs and violence are an everyday condition of life for all residents is proof of a failed policy only makes a pro gun arguments look foolish.

If the article was one where law abiding citizen was gunned down in his home with only a baseball bat in his cold dead hand, now that would be proof.

dr. mabuse
06-21-2010, 15:17
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6.8SPC_DUMP
06-21-2010, 17:26
Reducing the Second Amendment to just a statistical argument on the reported violence inherently subjects it to potential manipulation.

People don't keep guns in their house to just statistically reduce the chances of anyone living there being shot. Similarly, if someone has a gun pointed at you; reaching for your CCW won't statistically reduce the average person's chances of being shot. These are questions of judgement and circumstance.

What the Right to bear arms does is give the individual undeniable options when dealing with dangers imposed on them.

For example, as a youth, a friend of mine found out his father carried a concealed revolver when they were held up at knife point. His father, a business owner licensed by the State to CC, pulled his gun and the stick up kid retreated.

Just my .00000002

alelks
06-21-2010, 19:24
This is old and has been going around for quite some time but I thought it appropriate in this thread.

There has been a monthly average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theatre of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 2,112 deaths. That gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.

The firearm death rate in Washington D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000 persons for the same period.

That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in the U.S. Capital than you are in Iraq.

Conclusion: The U.S. should pull out of Washington