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Warrior-Mentor
06-19-2010, 18:47
Napolitano: Internet Monitoring Needed to Fight Homegrown Terrorism
Published June 18, 2010
Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- Fighting homegrown terrorism by monitoring Internet communications is a civil liberties trade-off the U.S. government must make to beef up national security, the nation's homeland security chief said Friday.

As terrorists increasingly recruit U.S. citizens, the government needs to constantly balance Americans' civil rights and privacy with the need to keep people safe, said Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.

But finding that balance has become more complex as homegrown terrorists have used the Internet to reach out to extremists abroad for inspiration and training. Those contacts have spurred a recent rash of U.S.-based terror plots and incidents.

"The First Amendment protects radical opinions, but we need the legal tools to do things like monitor the recruitment of terrorists via the Internet," Napolitano told a gathering of the American Constitution Society for Law and Policy.

Napolitano's comments suggest an effort by the Obama administration to reach out to its more liberal, Democratic constituencies to assuage fears that terrorist worries will lead to the erosion of civil rights.

The administration has faced a number of civil liberties and privacy challenges in recent months as it has tried to increase airport security by adding full-body scanners, or track suspected terrorists traveling into the United States from other countries.

"Her speech is sign of the maturing of the administration on this issue," said Stewart Baker, former undersecretary for policy with the Department of Homeland Security. "They now appreciate the risks and the trade-offs much more clearly than when they first arrived, and to their credit, they've adjusted their preconceptions."

Underscoring her comments are a number of recent terror attacks over the past year where legal U.S. residents such as Times Square bombing suspect Faisal Shahzad and accused Fort Hood, Texas, shooter Maj. Nidal Hasan, are believed to have been inspired by the Internet postings of violent Islamic extremists.

And the fact that these are U.S. citizens or legal residents raises many legal and constitutional questions.

Napolitano said it is wrong to believe that if security is embraced, liberty is sacrificed.

She added, "We can significantly advance security without having a deleterious impact on individual rights in most instances. At the same time, there are situations where trade-offs are inevitable."

As an example, she noted the struggle to use full-body scanners at airports caused worries that they would invade people's privacy.

The scanners are useful in identifying explosives or other nonmetal weapons that ordinary metal-detectors might miss -- such as the explosives that authorities said were successfully brought on board the Detroit-bound airliner on Christmas Day by Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. He is accused of trying to detonate a bomb hidden in his underwear, but the explosives failed, and only burned Abdulmutallab.

U.S. officials, said Napolitano, have worked to institute a number of restrictions on the scanners' use in order to minimize that. The scans cannot be saved or stored on the machines by the operator, and Transportation Security Agency workers can't have phones or cameras that could capture the scan when near the machine.

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Paslode
06-19-2010, 19:03
As usual I don't trust them even if I can see them.

I was under the impression NSA could monitor such things as the net and phone comms, because if my memory serves me correct there was a fire storm during the Bush administration over the NSA eves dropping and data grabs? And according to CNET they do, so that would incline me to believe Janet is asking for something that already exists.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-9890761-38.html

But to answer the question, I don't know. On one hand it sounds like a good idea, on the other hand you can't leave the house these days without being monitored in some fashion. But say it is different from the NSA program and they use it as intended, I would question how long would it be before the terrorists find another means to avoid detection.....in which case they will need another remedy.

If SPLC is writing the Instruction Manual and Guidelines for DHS I would be inclined to say no.

T-Rock
06-19-2010, 23:38
I was under the impression NSA could monitor such things as the net and phone comms, because if my memory serves me correct there was a fire storm during the Bush administration over the NSA eves dropping and data grabs?

Is this the case you're referring to? If so, interesting to say the least...

> http://zombietime.com/al-haramain_surveillance/

Paslode
06-20-2010, 01:35
Is this the case you're referring to? If so, interesting to say the least...

> http://zombietime.com/al-haramain_surveillance/

It may be. I maybe wrong, but from recollection the jist of it was that initially the NSA claimed they only received bits and pieces of information such as keywords (chatter) that were indicative being terror related and the system was benign as far as targeting specific individuals and reading complete emails. But fact was they could read entire emails and target individuals.

At least one reliable forum I visit from to time had a member who warned members about what they post, so at least one organization already watches the net with a keen eye, targets specific websites and individuals.

DJ Urbanovsky
06-21-2010, 23:15
The reality of reality is that there have always been and will always be the occasional wackjob out there, and they are going to engage in wackjob activities. That's the elegant thing about terrorism - it only takes a few wackjobs to panic the entire herd. You don't even need actual wackjobs, you just need the potential for wackjobs. Or to sell the idea of the potential for wackjobs. Nothing and nobody will ever keep you 100% safe. Universe is unpredictable. Our society has become entranced with this misguided idea of safety at all costs. Most folks don't realize that any measure of safety has to start on the personal level, and the person needs to be capable of good decision making and rational thought. Look at what our society has become. A population sleepwalking through life, relying on somebody else to "For the love of God, keep me safe!!!" I think it's just so pathetic and retarded.

Our government is already monitoring Internet and phone activity, and has been doing so for quite some time.

A clamp down on the Internet is only a good idea if your agenda includes curtailing civil liberties or protecting corporate interests of your cronies. It is my opinion that the extremist witch hunt is just an excuse for something else. At least insofar as this Internet clamp down situation is concerned.

Again, these are just this guys opinions.