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nmap
06-10-2010, 06:41
Arthur Laffer is an economist of note. Background HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Laffer)

I put this in General Discussion instead of Soapbox because it discusses the impact of existing policy on the economy. However, if wiser heads feel it is better elsewhere, then I will trust in their wisdom.

In my opinion, we are going to experience interesting times.


LINK (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704113504575264513748386610.html?m od=WSJ_latestheadlines#printMode)

Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse
Today's corporate profits reflect an income shift into 2010. These profits will tumble next year, preceded most likely by the stock market.
By ARTHUR LAFFER

People can change the volume, the location and the composition of their income, and they can do so in response to changes in government policies.

It shouldn't surprise anyone that the nine states without an income tax are growing far faster and attracting more people than are the nine states with the highest income tax rates. People and businesses change the location of income based on incentives.

Likewise, who is gobsmacked when they are told that the two wealthiest Americans—Bill Gates and Warren Buffett—hold the bulk of their wealth in the nontaxed form of unrealized capital gains? The composition of wealth also responds to incentives. And it's also simple enough for most people to understand that if the government taxes people who work and pays people not to work, fewer people will work. Incentives matter.

People can also change the timing of when they earn and receive their income in response to government policies. According to a 2004 U.S. Treasury report, "high income taxpayers accelerated the receipt of wages and year-end bonuses from 1993 to 1992—over $15 billion—in order to avoid the effects of the anticipated increase in the top rate from 31% to 39.6%. At the end of 1993, taxpayers shifted wages and bonuses yet again to avoid the increase in Medicare taxes that went into effect beginning 1994."

Just remember what happened to auto sales when the cash for clunkers program ended. Or how about new housing sales when the $8,000 tax credit ended? It isn't rocket surgery, as the Ivy League professor said.

On or about Jan. 1, 2011, federal, state and local tax rates are scheduled to rise quite sharply. President George W. Bush's tax cuts expire on that date, meaning that the highest federal personal income tax rate will go 39.6% from 35%, the highest federal dividend tax rate pops up to 39.6% from 15%, the capital gains tax rate to 20% from 15%, and the estate tax rate to 55% from zero. Lots and lots of other changes will also occur as a result of the sunset provision in the Bush tax cuts.

Tax rates have been and will be raised on income earned from off-shore investments. Payroll taxes are already scheduled to rise in 2013 and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) will be digging deeper and deeper into middle-income taxpayers. And there's always the celebrated tax increase on Cadillac health care plans. State and local tax rates are also going up in 2011 as they did in 2010. Tax rate increases next year are everywhere.


Now, if people know tax rates will be higher next year than they are this year, what will those people do this year? They will shift production and income out of next year into this year to the extent possible. As a result, income this year has already been inflated above where it otherwise should be and next year, 2011, income will be lower than it otherwise should be.

Also, the prospect of rising prices, higher interest rates and more regulations next year will further entice demand and supply to be shifted from 2011 into 2010. In my view, this shift of income and demand is a major reason that the economy in 2010 has appeared as strong as it has. When we pass the tax boundary of Jan. 1, 2011, my best guess is that the train goes off the tracks and we get our worst nightmare of a severe "double dip" recession.

In 1981, Ronald Reagan—with bipartisan support—began the first phase in a series of tax cuts passed under the Economic Recovery Tax Act (ERTA), whereby the bulk of the tax cuts didn't take effect until Jan. 1, 1983. Reagan's delayed tax cuts were the mirror image of President Barack Obama's delayed tax rate increases. For 1981 and 1982 people deferred so much economic activity that real GDP was basically flat (i.e., no growth), and the unemployment rate rose to well over 10%.

But at the tax boundary of Jan. 1, 1983 the economy took off like a rocket, with average real growth reaching 7.5% in 1983 and 5.5% in 1984. It has always amazed me how tax cuts don't work until they take effect. Mr. Obama's experience with deferred tax rate increases will be the reverse. The economy will collapse in 2011.

Consider corporate profits as a share of GDP. Today, corporate profits as a share of GDP are way too high given the state of the U.S. economy. These high profits reflect the shift in income into 2010 from 2011. These profits will tumble in 2011, preceded most likely by the stock market.

(NMAP: This suggests that the market is overvalued from an earnings perspective. Overvalued markets decline.)

In 2010, without any prepayment penalties, people can cash in their Individual Retirement Accounts (IRAs), Keough deferred income accounts and 401(k) deferred income accounts. After paying their taxes, these deferred income accounts can be rolled into Roth IRAs that provide after-tax income to their owners into the future. Given what's going to happen to tax rates, this conversion seems like a no-brainer.

The result will be a crash in tax receipts once the surge is past. If you thought deficits and unemployment have been bad lately, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Mr. Laffer is the chairman of Laffer Associates and co-author of "Return to Prosperity: How America Can Regain Its Economic Superpower Status" (Threshold, 2010).

afchic
06-10-2010, 06:59
nmap, first thank for the article, interesting and scary to say the least.

As someone who obviously does not have the wealth of Gates or Buffet, what would be your advise for us normal folks? As for me and my family, the only debt we will have at the end of the year is our home. Cars paid off, check; kids college fully funded, check; fully funding TSP, check; credit card debt, non-existent.

So do we look at pulling our money out of the market now and put it someplace safer? Keep funding our Roth IRAs? HOw do the average folk protect themselves against this "double dip"?

nmap
06-10-2010, 08:29
There's an advisory service I subscribe to, titled Dow Theory Letters, and published by Richard Russell since 1958. Mr. Russell is in his 80's and remembers the 1929 depression.

His advice: get out of stocks. Go into cash (FDIC insured CDs, for example) and gold.

Other sources seem to point in a similar direction.

My thinking: Just get out of stocks. The yields are pathetic, but right now one should worry more about the return of one's money than the return on one's money.

I would keep funding IRAs, Roth and otherwise - these can be directed into secure investments (again, think as close to cash as possible - insured CDs, things similar to the TSP G fund, that sort of thing).

When to get back in is the next question. Answer: when stocks are good values, with high dividends and low prices compared to earnings. We are a long way above that point. For an excellent overview of the numbers and performance data over the past century, Bullseye Investing by Mauldin is highly recommended.

Hope that helps...

GratefulCitizen
06-10-2010, 09:27
Spot on.
Government is trying to do what it cannot do: repeal the laws of economics.

Question, Nmap: do you think this will lead to deflation or inflation during the early part of 2011?

nmap
06-10-2010, 11:02
Spot on.
Government is trying to do what it cannot do: repeal the laws of economics.

Question, Nmap: do you think this will lead to deflation or inflation during the early part of 2011?

Deflation in 2011...followed by more stimulus...followed by inflation.

Cash will be king as nations, companies, and individuals seek to pay their bills. Moral - have cash (or, more formally, cash equivalents such as insured accounts, short-term U.S. treasury securities, and so forth).

mojaveman
06-10-2010, 12:18
Interesting article.

I started a Roth IRA a few years ago because it looked attractive but with a government that in the future is going to be looking for more taxes you wonder if someone isn't going to try and change the regulations.

nmap
06-10-2010, 17:06
Apropos of your observations, you might find the following LINK (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704608104575217870728420184.html) from the WSJ of interest - in particular, Hauser's Law. In essence, despite changes in tax rates, total revenue tends to stay at about 19% of GDP.

The article suggests that revenue projections above this rate will tend to be overly optimistic, implying further increases in national debt.

The relationship is not free of controversy; a search on Hauser's Law will reveal strong supporters and opponents.

GratefulCitizen
06-10-2010, 18:48
Question Nmap:

With high unemployment, a stalled economy, increasing exports by China (with the renminbi fixed) and the spectre of future tax increases, shouldn't we be seeing deflation a bit sooner?

MOO
-Some deflation is already here, it may get worse in the short term.
-Much of the stimulus has yet to be spent -- look for a stealth spending blitz in August/September to bolster dims reelection bids.
-Any stimulus, now or later, will just be funnelled into commodities and lead to stagflation.

nmap
06-10-2010, 22:01
Question Nmap:

With high unemployment, a stalled economy, increasing exports by China (with the renminbi fixed) and the spectre of future tax increases, shouldn't we be seeing deflation a bit sooner?

We're already seeing it - but the view is a bit distorted. Look at housing. The banks are holding off on both liquidations and foreclosures. If the prices were marked to the actual market, they would be a lot less than they are now.

Take a look at used goods - of almost any sort. Such things have little value, if any. For that matter, look at the value of the commodity index HERE (http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$CRB&p=M&yr=20&mn=0&dy=0&id=p73034957462&a=202150180).

Later, we'll see it more clearly - those with cash can smile unpleasantly, put their thumb on the desk, and say to those who need cash "Do you know what position you're in?" while grinding their thumb into the surface. Notice there's no pink font on that one.


MOO
-Some deflation is already here, it may get worse in the short term.

Yep. Completely agree.


-Much of the stimulus has yet to be spent -- look for a stealth spending blitz in August/September to bolster dims reelection bids.

Could be. They need to create lots and lots of jobs - both for the purpose of stimulus and to persuade the voters. But I'm not sure they can get this done. We'll see.


-Any stimulus, now or later, will just be funneled into commodities and lead to stagflation.

Hmm...maybe. Maybe gold, silver, that sort of thing. But I think the cash will wind up being funneled into servicing unsustainable debt.

Please understand that I was, initially, of the opinion that all this printing and borrowing would result in overall inflation. The problem we (we as in the whole world) have is a gigantic overhang of debt. Incomes and earning power (individual, corporate, national) are under pressure - but the debt continues to demand payment. And as the bond market gets skittish, it becomes less practical to roll the debt.

Why do we care? As all this money flows into the economy (global and national), it falls into the black hole of debt. And then there is the money that goes into mere survival. It doesn't get spent on consumption (which fuels inflaton) - rather, it gets consumed by the past debts.

There's another issue. To get inflation, we need buying ability. As long as wages are under pressure and unemployment is high, companies have little pricing power. Sure, they can ask for $10 for a burger - but people will choose the 99 cent value menu. No pricing power, no inflation.

To get some idea of where we're headed, the book "This Time is Different" by Reinhart and Rogoff is worthwhile - particularly the second half of the book. It was recommended by Mauldin, BTW. The world is engaged in deleveraging - and we can expect another 3 years if historical norms persist.

After we work our way through this...and considering the massive printing (or, if you like, quantitative easing), yes, we'll see renewed inflation.

Back on gold and silver. People may lose confidence in currencies. They may lose confidence in the dollar. If that happens, they may migrate to precious metals as a way to preserve wealth.

By the way - deflation tends to be brutal. Few will enjoy such times.

lindy
08-08-2010, 08:53
I found this article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/06/AR2010080606022_pf.html) in the Post this morn and now I have a better understanding of deflation.

"William Greider warns of "a full-blown monetary deflation that would truly put the U.S. economy in ruin. In a general deflation, everything falls -- prices, output, wages, profits. Unchecked, this can lead to another Big D -- the Depression Obama claims he has avoided." James Bullard, president of the Federal Reserve of St. Louis, recently publicly expressed his fear that "the U.S. economy may become enmeshed in a Japanese-style, deflationary outcome within the next several years." Some major investors are not waiting to find out whether Bullard is right. The Wall Street Journal reported last week that such financial heavyweights as Pimco's Bill Gross and major hedge funds are stocking up on securities that they think will perform best in a deflationary environment."

lindy
11-13-2010, 07:31
To get some idea of where we're headed, the book "This Time is Different" by Reinhart and Rogoff is worthwhile - particularly the second half of the book. It was recommended by Mauldin, BTW. The world is engaged in deleveraging - and we can expect another 3 years if historical norms persist.

After we work our way through this...and considering the massive printing (or, if you like, quantitative easing), yes, we'll see renewed inflation.

Here's a good explanation of quantitative easing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k&feature=player_embedded