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Foot Drill
06-04-2010, 20:20
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SoCalManny
06-04-2010, 21:59
PM sent

NousDefionsDoc
06-04-2010, 22:12
What is SFRE?

turboprop
06-04-2010, 22:23
See link below.

http://www.calguard.ca.gov/sf/Pages/sfreprep.aspx

NousDefionsDoc
06-05-2010, 23:13
Thank you

TCTAC
06-09-2010, 07:23
I guess it's safe to assume that Nov. 13 is the "official" date for the fall SFRE at Los Alamitos?

Foot Drill
06-09-2010, 21:09
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TCTAC
06-09-2010, 22:54
Thanks Foot Drill. Last I was told it was in the fall, didn't have an actual date.

18C4V
06-09-2010, 23:12
Once I get the firm dates, I'll put it out.

Foot Drill
06-10-2010, 00:57
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dualforces
06-10-2010, 12:46
My paperwork shows the dates of 13 November AND 21 November. This is what may be causing the confusion. I emailed my POC and he has confirmed 13Nov for both locations.

head
06-10-2010, 12:57
My paperwork shows the dates of 13 November AND 21 November. This is what may be causing the confusion. I emailed my POC and he has confirmed 13Nov for both locations.

Thanks for the help, but I'm sure the QP who posted two posts above yours can handle it... AND He can definitely arrange for you to show up both dates. ;)

gorunpaul
06-10-2010, 16:18
Is there anyone in the Sacramento area currently training for the 13 NOV SFRE? If so, I'm looking for some training partners.

NoRoadtrippin
06-10-2010, 16:43
Did you really not notice the thread on the exact same topic in the exact same section you posted this under?

jbour13
06-10-2010, 17:34
Did you really not notice the thread on the exact same topic in the exact same section you posted this under?

Sir,

Suggest you look at the baseline facts again.

Southern California vs. Northern California.

2 different Posters. gorunpaul (N. Cal) / Foot Drill (S. Cal / Los Alamitos).

Let the Mods/Admins take action if necessary.

abc_123
06-10-2010, 21:36
Did you really not notice the thread on the exact same topic in the exact same section you posted this under?

Concur with the previous post.

Did you really not notice that we have QPs and/or moderators that do a good job policing this web site all by themselves?

3mikesout
07-27-2010, 16:39
Is there anyone in the Sacramento area currently training for the 21 NOV SFRE? If so, I'm looking for some training partners.

We're about 90 days out. Are you still looking to participate in the SFRE? I plan on rucking several weekends in South Lake Tahoe if your interested. I have a cabin on the South Shore...

I'm in the bay area and training 5 on 2 off. Crossfit Monday - Friday AM and test specific events in the PM.

3mikesout
07-29-2010, 11:32
SFRE APFT:

I know I'm going to get smoked for asking this but I'm going to anyway... I've searched this site and others and can't seem to nail down the correct Run time for the SFRE. Some sites say you need to have a minimum score of 210 (17-21 age group) which would mean 70% on each event and others say 240 which would mean 80% (17-21) on each event. (This site actually implied the standard changed to 80% in your age bracket). I found the below information on this site from a 1 year old post and would ask if anyone on the site who administers the test can give me a clear answer on the standards for this November:

[I]The first event is the Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT).
You must score 80 points in each category for your age group.

Last hard class
07-29-2010, 11:37
You are worried about the minimum pt score and you want to go SF?

Outstanding!

Run Forrest run.

LHC

Green Light
07-29-2010, 11:43
Put in the hard work up front, get in tremendous shape, get 300, and use your body as a vehicle to have fewer problems in SFAS. Check out the Blitz thread and use it. I do and it works.

3mikesout
07-29-2010, 11:44
LOL. Yes, just comming off a minor injury and started running distance again, not time. My distance runs I keep between 8:30 and 9:00 right now.

3mikesout
07-29-2010, 11:48
Put in the hard work up front, get in tremendous shape, get 300, and use your body as a vehicle to have fewer problems in SFAS. Check out the Blitz thread and use it. I do and it works.

Thanks... Will do...

I'm maxing the upper body events because I was able to keep training while my ankle healed.

koz
07-29-2010, 13:57
I wouldn't trust "sites." There is a ton of bad information out on the net. Even some recruiters don't have the right info (or they don't give you the right info so you'll sign that 88M contract...)
http://www.bragg.army.mil/sorb/SF_criteria.htm

Must score a minimum of 240 points on the Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT), with no less than 60 points on any event, using the standards for age group 17-21.

They have lowered the points in one event, but IIRC 240 has always been the min score.

I wouldn't look at the minimum especially if you're going thru the Guard. I know some units won't send guys to SFAS unless they're at 280-300. If you're just making the minimum, it's far more likely that you probably won't make it. No reason to waste the money on sending you.

Good luck.

3mikesout
07-29-2010, 15:00
I wouldn't trust "sites." There is a ton of bad information out on the net. Even some recruiters don't have the right info (or they don't give you the right info so you'll sign that 88M contract...)
http://www.bragg.army.mil/sorb/SF_criteria.htm

Must score a minimum of 240 points on the Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT), with no less than 60 points on any event, using the standards for age group 17-21.

They have lowered the points in one event, but IIRC 240 has always been the min score.

I wouldn't look at the minimum especially if you're going thru the Guard. I know some units won't send guys to SFAS unless they're at 280-300. If you're just making the minimum, it's far more likely that you probably won't make it. No reason to waste the money on sending you.

Good luck.

Excellent... Thanks for the url... And yes, I was told by the Guard recruiter we will be evaluated at the end of the day and only candidates they feel are qualified will be transfered into the unit.

Aceshigh
07-29-2010, 18:22
This is directly from my instructional packet (email) for the Nov 13 SFRE


"The first event is the Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT).
You must score 80 points in each category for your age group.

The second event is a 50 meter swim test in uniform and boots.
Any stroke is authorized, there is no time limit, you must complete 50 meters
without touching the side or bottom of the pool.

The third event is a ruck march, (in a dry uniform and boots) with a 55lb
pack. Dry weight, before you add your water.

If you do not have a ruck, MOLLE, ALICE Pack or other at all, one can be
provided. (You'll be better off using the one you have been training with).
The course will be marked, the distance will not be given. You must maintain
a sub-15 minute/mile pace to meet the standard.
There will be several points with water available. A CamelBak or similar
hydration system to carry your water is highly encouraged.

If you are successful with all three events, we will start the process to
enlist/transfer you into the company to attend SFAS/SFQC."


I was also lead to believe by the recruiter I talked to over the phone that if one was successful in all three events then the unit would send you to SFAS, making it a pass/fail event rather than a competition.

That was my understanding of it. I may very well be wrong which is why I intend to max out everything I possibly can.

hope this helps

JJ_BPK
07-29-2010, 18:56
That was my understanding of it. I may very well be wrong which is why I intend to max out everything I possibly can.

The course will be marked, the distance will not be given. You must maintain a sub-15 minute/mile pace to meet the standard.



Make sure you try to do a couple of practice APFT & Swim & Ruck, all in one day before you hit the test.

Max'ing the APFT and failing the swim or ruck is not what you want to do.

As you stated this is a pass/fail test. Have a plan before you get there.

The Reaper
07-29-2010, 19:40
I agree, those inquiring as to the minimum score are not the ones we are looking for.

If you cannot run two miles in 14:00 or less, you are likely going to have fitness issues.

You need to be able to do six miles or more at a significantly faster pace than you have cited.

You better come strong or stay home. You have the information you need to succeed, what you do with it is up to you.

TR

Blitzzz (RIP)
07-29-2010, 19:45
I could never have told you what the minimum was for a PT Test. You should't either. Time and injury recovery included. If you don't achieve the Max the minimum will be assured.
Blitzzz

abc_123
08-01-2010, 08:41
I wouldn't look at the minimum especially if you're going thru the Guard. I know some units won't send guys to SFAS unless they're at 280-300. If you're just making the minimum, it's far more likely that you probably won't make it. No reason to waste the money on sending you.

Good luck.

There shouldn't be any units out there requiring a 300 or a 290 on the APFT in order to save money. I'd be interested to know which ones are.

There is money to send candidates to SFAS/SFQC etc.

Although NG selection rates are very favorable when compared with our AC brethren, I personaly would love to see them lower than they are now as a result of more people going and more people failing... but with the net result being more selectees at the end of the TY.

Edit to add: I definately am in violent agreement with Koz and others that if you're doing the minimum you will probably have a very tough go at it (I can't imagine going to SFAS only being able to do the minimum, personally). IF you are the type of person who only STRIVES to do the minimum... well then as TR said... you're not the type of person we're looking forl

3mikesout
08-01-2010, 10:34
There shouldn't be any units out there requiring a 300 or a 290 on the APFT in order to save money. I'd be interested to know which ones are.

There is money to send candidates to SFAS/SFQC etc.

Although NG selection rates are very favorable when compared with our AC brethren, I personaly would love to see them lower than they are now as a result of more people going and more people failing... but with the net result being more selectees at the end of the TY.

Edit to add: I definately am in violent agreement with Koz and others that if you're doing the minimum you will probably have a very tough go at it (I can't imagine going to SFAS only being able to do the minimum, personally). IF you are the type of person who only STRIVES to do the minimum... well then as TR said... you're not the type of person we're looking forl

Thanks for all the help here. I was asking all of these questions to be better informed and it was entirely mis-interpited. As I went through all my research some points didn't add up so I came here for the correct information... I'm 90 days out from SFRE and when I come out of that on top, probebly another 2 months to SFAS (This is 3rd person information). Before my injury (99% fine now) I didn't ruck much, but I was heavy biking, running, and static weightlifting. With the information I recieved here, I switched to Crossfit for my gym workouts and I added rucking to my PM workouts.

Net-Net: Yes, I'm not ready for SFAS today, but will be as ready as possible for the day I hope it comes! I will do some timed events in 3 weeks and post to the board. Then I would happy to hear more feedback from all of you who have been there...

The Reaper
08-01-2010, 13:06
As a famous man once said, "Everyone has a plan, till they get hit."

Let us know how SFRE/SFAS works out for you.

TR

18C4V
08-04-2010, 17:08
Sorry saw this thread earlier, but got side tracked. Looking at the last SFRE flyer which was March 2010, it's 250 points 17-21 Age Group. Send me a good email address and I'll put you in touch with my jr medic whose big into cross fit. He helps out with the SFRE up North.

Latest flyer for 13 Nov, 2010 states 250 points.

briggs530
09-17-2010, 17:17
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Foot Drill
09-17-2010, 18:43
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BilalKassem
10-16-2010, 21:19
18C4V, I sent a PM regarding this event.

Regards,

BK

Dozer523
10-16-2010, 21:35
You can e-mail me if you like brigxxxxxxxxxxxl.com. If you're interested in training I am as well depending on where you live.Briggs

Your first name starts with A and your middle initial is M. You're single, interested in women, looking for friendship and want to network. You live in San Clemente, CA (I LOVE that town and the little hamburger stand on the beach -- by the railroad crossing -- is awesome!). You were born in Willow creek CA. Your favorite book is Blackhawk Down; your favorite movies are The Incredible Hulk, The Empire Strikes Back. You think NPR is a television station. 85 of your friends are girls, 9 of the 215 are or were in the military. Your friend Candice from Sacramento looks a little goofy but I'll bet she is really nice. Bonny, OTOH, is having trouble falling asleep and would like a massage. BTW she goes to Hoppa Valley High School which is located at 11400 State Highway 96, Hoopa, CA 95546. You can call the school at (530) 625-5600). Hoopa High is a common denominator for you -- Josh who sports a CIB and might even have a long tab -- might be a Ranger Tab -- is a treasure trove of military contacts but, that goes with his specific military specialty. Your sister's (?) name is Deborah and she lives in San Francisco and has green eyes.

And the G-Damned-ist thing is your army friend Jon S has a mutual friend with me!

Get my point yet?

Delete your e-mail address from this post now. Facebook is NOT your friend. Communication here works well with PM's and there is a blind link to E-mail if needed.

JJ_BPK
10-16-2010, 21:55
You can e-mail me if you like

If you're interested in training I am as well depending on where you live.

Briggs

If you're interested Aaron M Briggs, You should read the email you were sent by the admins. It gave specific instruction on what to post and where.

This is not a good beginning young jet-eye... Your lack of SA does not bode well..

dualforces
11-05-2010, 22:01
Best of luck to everyone next Saturday @ Los Alamitos. The journey moving towards the SFRE has thus far been amazing for me. I have learned alot and have received much more support than I could have ever imagined.
OK enough sensitive guy stuff...it's just the SFRE, right? But hey, I take this stuff serious.

Thanks to all the QP's on this board as I go for the 1st goal.
Time for a Friday nite speed ruck...arghh..
-R.

Foot Drill
11-15-2010, 18:58
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18C4V
11-15-2010, 22:50
Here's the stats for the North SFRE. We tried something new this time which was releasing guys when they failed a gate (APFT, Pull ups, Road March). Also non quals (non SFAS grads) had to compete in the SFRE to maintain thier position on the training team.

We had a total of 35 applicants who showed up for the North SFRE

10/35 failed the APFT
15/25 failed the road march

10 passed our SFRE and hopefully they stay motivated to start the process to go to SFAS.

I'll post the South stats as soon as I get them.

Tom Viktor
03-03-2011, 17:04
I just had an inquiry regarding the SFREs. Where the numbers for the SFRE down south similar to those up north? Are there any dates set for the 2011 SFREs down south at Los Alamitos? Thanks.

TV

18C4V
03-26-2011, 16:03
May 20-22 is the next SFRE and it will be combined North and South one.

Tom Viktor
03-27-2011, 17:43
Thank you for the information.

2pnoty03
04-27-2011, 18:19
Hi All,
Is there anyone training up for the 20-22 MAY SFRE in San Luis Obispo
Looking for a training partner to ruck with in the San Diego Area.
V/r,
2pnoty03

ChienStrap1H
04-28-2011, 04:04
I'm training up for the May 20-22 SFRE in San Luis Obispo as well. I'm in the Bay Area, so if anyone wants to meet up, send me a pm.

Focused
05-05-2011, 23:47
18C4V, I tried to send you a PM, but your inbox is full. Is there another way to get in touch with you?

dknob
07-21-2011, 10:31
As an avid crossfitter and rucker and somebody who is in incredible shape (more so then when I was in Ranger Batt). I think I can outperform physically probably 80% of hooahs going to selection. But could I max out my push ups in good proper chest to the floor and lock arms out form in 2 minutes? To be honest I haven't tried it in forever, but I kind of doubt it unless I spent some serious time focusing on push ups while omitting other more important workouts.

I'd have to see a lot more performance/testing in an individual who can get 300+ to actually judge if they are fit. APFT is so archaic and a worthless judge of physical performance. Army really needs to use common sense and big boy rules. At the very least SOCOM should have done away with APFT long ago.

Sorry, just venting.

JJ_BPK
07-21-2011, 11:07
As an avid crossfitter and rucker and somebody who is in incredible shape (more so then when I was in Ranger Batt). I think I can outperform physically probably 80% of hooahs going to selection. But could I max out my push ups in good proper chest to the floor and lock arms out form in 2 minutes? To be honest I haven't tried it in forever, but I kind of doubt it unless I spent some serious time focusing on push ups while omitting other more important workouts.

I'd have to see a lot more performance/testing in an individual who can get 300+ to actually judge if they are fit. APFT is so archaic and a worthless judge of physical performance. Army really needs to use common sense and big boy rules. At the very least SOCOM should have done away with APFT long ago.

Sorry, just venting.

This so gay,,

We do not need any steroid pumping trolls,, with an ego problem..

Go back under your ruck and do 500 push-ups.....

Surgicalcric
07-21-2011, 11:54
This so gay,,

We do not need any steroid pumping trolls,, with an ego problem..

Go back under your ruck and do 500 push-ups.....

J:

While you are entitled to your opinion I would offer that -having known dknob for a couple years- he is anything but as you describe...

He is just very sure of himself...

That sad, dknb: you may want to save the bravado for after you are selected Brother... Rant or not...

Crip

dknob
07-21-2011, 12:27
Eh i didn't mean to sound arrogant. I was just trying to make a point that the APFT is not a good judge of fitness and could prohibit otherwise squared away and very fit individuals from chasing their dreams. I didn't mean to apply it to myself - more plenty of up and coming hooahs, hooyahs, or hoorahs who have taken heed to the more ruggedized training regimes of crossfit, military athlete, sealfit, or whatever the case may have a rough time with some of the standards who happen to be insignificant.

I guess I just wish the military would wisen up a little. If it ain't broke dont fix it is what I thoroughly have always believed. But the PT system is broken.

And by "selection" I wasn't specifically referring to SFAS. In my mind I was thinking of every Entry-level SOF selection course i.e. BUD/s, RASP, SFAS, PJ Indoc, etc. I know the young guys that go to these courses as I was one of them and so were you at some point. I remember plenty of APFT beasts, but I rarely remember any true beasts. I guess it all makes sense in my head.

Again didn't mean to be arrogant, unless I'm arrogant in nature? I hope not. I'm definitely not a steroid induced thumping troll ;)

JJ_BPK
07-21-2011, 12:47
I remember plenty of APFT beasts, but I rarely remember any true beasts. I guess it all makes sense in my head. Again didn't mean to be arrogant, unless I'm arrogant in nature? I hope not. I'm definitely not a steroid induced thumping troll ;)

You're a lucky candidate, Crip is is a QP of few words, If he say you're GTG, OK..

Work on your nature,, and while you're at it,, another 500 push-ups... :D

Delta-1-Bravo
07-21-2011, 20:05
DKnob, I've shared your frustration in the past w/many things re strength training, program design, nutrition, etc. Here are a few of my current thoughts which I hope will be of use/interest.

...the APFT is not a good judge of fitness and could prohibit otherwise squared away and very fit individuals from chasing their dreams.

The physical requirements to pass SFRE and/or qualify for SFAS are readily available and clearly defined (as are req's for BUD/s, PJ's, CCT's, MARSOC, etc). Minimum PFT req's are part of all those "indoc" tests. Meeting those standards is difficult for some, easier for others. If an individual who is very fit and capable of passing such a test fails, he alone is responsible. There are those who are very fit and should, w/adequate training, pass a PFT easily. For them, isn't part of being squared away showing up at the indoc capable of at least meeting minimum standards on the required PFT?

...plenty of up and coming hooahs, hooyahs, or hoorahs who have taken heed to the more ruggedized training regimes of crossfit, military athlete, sealfit, or whatever the case may have a rough time with some of the standards who happen to be insignificant.

I agree to a point. Sure, some strong guys will struggle w/2-minute pushup and situp tests if they don't train for them. Fit guys who can carry a ton of weight and ruck forever might struggle to run 14:24 if they don't train for it. But so what? No such thing as one "best way" to train. The best way to train involves asking and answering a whole bunch of questions that will usually start with "What's the athlete trying to accomplish?" If he's attempting to pass an indoc of some kind, he'd better train to pass the specific tests, regardless of their significance to overall strength and fitness.

I guess I just wish the military would wisen up a little. If it ain't broke dont fix it is what I thoroughly have always believed. But the PT system is broken.

I completely understand the frustration of any strong & fit athlete saying: why should I train for something (an APFT for example) that will impede recovery and therefore take away from more productive strength training? But that sentiment can be found in ANY type of program (even good ones) if they are not scaled and tailored to meet the needs of the individual. And you're right, no services's PT system will get a soldier strong and fit. That's the individual's job. My 2-cents: PT tests exist to set minimum eligibility standards for things such as enlistments, indocs, military schools, etc. They give basic information re the strength & fitness (or lack thereof) of nearly 3 million troops. 2-miles in 10 minutes? Probably pretty darn fit. 20 minutes? Likely a slug. Like the NFL combine, the testing doesn't tell the whole story about the individual athletes, but they do yield general information re strength, stamina, agility, endurance, etc.

Like I said, over the years I've come to believe no singular "best" training system exists. That's helped me with the ups and downs of training through both injuries and illness, as well as the pros and cons of tailoring training to suit specific needs. For example: Squat, Deadlift and Bench totals all take drastic nosedives when training for triathlons. "True beasts" are few and far between, and I'm sure not one of them. I hate losing hard earned gains, but they're sacrificed to get faster on the bike and run. I'd look at training for an indoc in the same light. Don't make it about the strength and power lost, focus on the confidence gained as you go into the test knowing you're thoroughly prepared to do your best.

wet dog
07-21-2011, 21:41
I agree to a point. Sure, some strong guys will struggle w/2-minute pushup and situp tests if they don't train for them. Fit guys who can carry a ton of weight and ruck forever might struggle to run 14:24 if they don't train for it. But so what? No such thing as one "best way" to train. The best way to train involves asking and answering a whole bunch of questions that will usually start with "What's the athlete trying to accomplish?" If he's attempting to pass an indoc of some kind, he'd better train to pass the specific tests, regardless of their significance to overall strength and fitness.



Sitting in the dayroom one Saturday afternoon reading Phase II assignments, writing, etc., Bob Howard sticks his head in the door and asks if anyone was interested taking a short ruck with him.

I said sure, as well as three other students. He said, "grab your boots, rucks, wear what you want", (shorts, PT gear or BDUs), the choice was ours. He was in 107s and Jungle Boots, I opted for shorts and brown T-shirt.

Departure time was 1pm, we made it all the way to Camp Mackall just after 7pm, taking a short break at some midway point, (30 minutes).

The four of us rucked as a tight group, 2 x 2. The talk was relaxed and easy, most of the dialogue were questions from Maj Howard, where we were from, what we did back at home, that sort of thing. I was too innocent to realize what an opportunity I had to ask a bunch of Vietnam questions, his MOH, the legends of CCN, CCC, CCS, who was who, where are they now, so I just kept my mouth shut and made comments like, "...nice sunset, who wants another cigar?"

Once at MacKall, he excused himself to talk to Phase I students and Cadre. He told us to eat in the Camp DFAC, and get in the truck for a ride back to post, "thanks for rucking with him", he said, he "enjoyed the company" and shook our hands, saying "good job, good job", to each of us.

Next morning, I was walking to chow, (Sunday), he was just returning back, and yes, he walked it again. Must have been up all night, leaving just after midnight.

He sat at his table, talked to TAC Cadre, and went home. Bet a buffalo nickel he walked there too.

I'm telling this story to make a point. Feeling confident about ones physical ability is great, feeling relaxed, and accepted by Bob Howard feels even better.

Keep rucking, get confident in you own abilities and above all, have a good time with your PT.

The big green tick on your back is your best friend, become one.