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incarcerated
05-27-2010, 00:05
This story does not mention the Red Crescent (as the cross is offensive to Islam):
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jVB9sRT1uXP78IajYnEbGxm_aGpQD9FULF380

Red Cross defends first aid courses for Taliban

By FRANK JORDANS (AP) – 12 hours ago
GENEVA — The international Red Cross said Wednesday it would continue giving first aid training and kits to Taliban fighters in Afghanistan, despite drawing angry e-mails from around the world and criticism from an Afghan official after the practice was publicized.

The International Committee of the Red Cross trained "over 70 members of the armed opposition" in first aid last month, along with more than 100 Afghan police and civilians, including taxi drivers.

The courses started in 2006 and the neutral group will continue as long as they are needed, said Red Cross spokesman Christian Cardon.

"It's the core of the ICRC's mandate to make sure that people are cured whether they are from one side or the other side," he told The Associated Press.

Britain's Guardian newspaper on Tuesday quoted an unidentified official in Kandahar's local government as criticizing the first aid training, saying the Taliban did "not deserve to be treated like humans."

Cardon said the Red Cross also received angry e-mails from people around the world in response to the article. But he insisted that in Afghanistan most officials well understood and accepted the group's 151-year history of treating all war wounded regardless of their background or affiliation.

Cardon cited the Red Cross orthopedic hospital in Kabul where amputees are fitted with artificial limbs.

"We never ask the people who come about their background," he said. "This is the way we work everywhere in Afghanistan and all over the world."

As for training Taliban fighters and providing them with first aid kits, Cardon said journeys to Afghanistan's few functioning hospitals were often arduous or nearly impossible, meaning even basic first aid could help save lives when medical help isn't available.

He added that the three-day courses also were an opportunity to show participants the need to abide by the Geneva Conventions that govern the conduct of war.

The conventions also are the reason that U.S. military medical helicopters rescue insurgents as well as U.S. and NATO soldiers when they are called to battlefields in Iraq and Afghanistan to pick up the wounded and rush them to field hospitals.

Red Cross first aid courses also have been held in Gaza with members of Hamas and other Palestinian groups, said Cardon.

Andrea Bianchi, a professor of international law at Geneva's Graduate Institute, said the Red Cross wasn't obliged to provide training and medical kits to the Taliban but appeared to have chosen to do so for practical reasons.

"Afghanistan is a very difficult place to operate," he said. "The idea that the ICRC might offer first aid kits doesn't shock me honestly."

"They stick to this idea that they are impartial and neutral, which means they must provide aid in whatever form is needed to improve the condition of the injured," said Bianchi. "Neutrality means you cannot take sides even in a situation in which it is clear who the bad guys are and who's on the right side."

Cardon, the Red Cross spokesman in Geneva, said the criticism recalled the period after Sept. 11, 2001, when the group was inundated with angry messages because it visited prisoners held at the U.S. detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

If Afghan officials were to complain to the Red Cross about the first aid training for Taliban fighters "we will go and meet them to clarify that it's the way we have always worked and always will work," he said.

"We are quite confident that it (the report) will not affect our operations."

Pete
05-27-2010, 03:57
Well, they should be easy to track and .................

PedOncoDoc
05-27-2010, 04:19
I have no problems with what is being done by Red Cross or whatever they call themselves in that region. But IMHO they chose a cross as their symbol - they should stick with it and let others choose to refuse their services and assistance out of their own close-mindedness. If they didn't want their symbol to offend people they should have chosen something like a puppy. :rolleyes:

Kandahar's local government as criticizing the first aid training, saying the Taliban did "not deserve to be treated like humans."

I disagree. They are humans - humans with evil idealogies that need to be destroyed - but they are humans. As soon as we treat them as less than human we take 1 step back from our own humanity.

I have always seen our warriors and soldiers as instruments of justice - preventing basic first aid supplies and training is not just. I never saw the war there as an effort to induce suffering - I have seen it as an effort to destroy an evil regime and give those who hold their extremist ideals some much needed killing.

My $.02...

Utah Bob
05-27-2010, 04:38
What's next? ACORN giving marksmanship traiing??:eek:

Razor
05-27-2010, 07:56
The silver lining is that some of the more seriously wounded will, instead of dying of their wounds right away, suffer days or weeks longer due to the rudimentary but inadequate basic care provided by their fellow turds.

Richard
05-27-2010, 08:01
The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) is the world's largest humanitarian organization, with 186 member National Societies. As part of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement, our work is guided by seven fundamental principles; humanity, impartiality, neutrality, independence, voluntary service, unity and universality.

http://www.ifrc.org/

Directory of Members

http://www.ifrc.org/address/directory.asp?navid=10_02

And so it goes...;)

Richard :munchin

Pete
05-27-2010, 11:15
The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) is the world's largest humanitarian organization, with 186 member National Societies. As part of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement, our work is guided by seven fundamental principles; humanity, impartiality, neutrality, independence, voluntary service, unity and universality.......



"....... impartiality, neutrality......."

The Red Crescent has a ways to go on those two.

greenberetTFS
05-27-2010, 11:29
"....... impartiality, neutrality......."

The Red Crescent has a ways to go on those two.

Your absolutely right Pete that's why I give my money to the Salvation Army and not the Red Cross............:rolleyes:

Big Teddy :munchin

mark46th
05-27-2010, 12:14
Correct me if I am wrong but- There was a bit of a stink about the United Way giving aid to North Vietnam back in the days of the Vietnam War. I remember in formation one morning(5th Group 1971this being brought up...C

Green Light
05-27-2010, 17:58
Correct me if I am wrong but- There was a bit of a stink about the United Way giving aid to North Vietnam back in the days of the Vietnam War. I remember in formation one morning(5th Group 1971this being brought up...C

The Red Cross was giving the Salvadorian Rebels PVC pipe for irrigation. They used it for pipe bombs - PVC shrapnel doesn't show up on x-rays. Great folks those IRC nitwits. Anybody hear of them protesting the treatment (beheading) of Allied POWs in Iraq/A-stan? Not a whisper.

PedOncoDoc
05-28-2010, 04:22
The Red Cross was giving the Salvadorian Rebels PVC pipe for irrigation. They used it for pipe bombs - PVC shrapnel doesn't show up on x-rays. Great folks those IRC nitwits.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions....above is a perfect example.

Anybody hear of them protesting the treatment (beheading) of Allied POWs in Iraq/A-stan? Not a whisper.

That must be part of their neutrality/impartiality...:mad::rolleyes:

Richard
05-28-2010, 07:09
Some Canadian points-of-view.

Should Red Cross teach Taliban first aid?
CAN National Post, 27 May 2010

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=3075882

And so it goes...

Richard's $.02 :munchin

Gypsy
05-28-2010, 15:13
Perhaps a GPS device can be embedded in the kit...