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Richard
05-08-2010, 06:34
And so it goes...

Richard

SAS defied MoD to rescue two of its men held hostage in Iraq as top commanders 'prepared to quit' over ban on mission
Tim Shipman, DailyMail, 6 May 2010

The SAS launched a daring mission to rescue two of its own men held hostage in Iraq against the orders of the Ministry of Defence, the Daily Mail can reveal.

The elite unit was pushed to the brink of mutiny after it was banned from saving the SAS soldiers captured by militants because to do so would embarrass the Government.

The astonishing edict drove SAS officers close to mass resignation, according to a hardhitting report by the Tory MP Adam Holloway, a former Guards officer

The SAS Lieutenant-Colonel on the ground, believing that ‘politically motivated’ commanders in the UK were ‘unable to make rational and effective decisions’, sent in a rescue team anyway – fearful that within hours the captured men could have been spirited away or executed.

The rescuers blasted their way into the police station in Basra where the two soldiers were being held and saved them.

Details of the incident in 2005 expose the shameful way the Armed Forces have become politicised under Labour – with political spin put before soldiers’ lives.

Mr Holloway’s explosive account is supported by General Sir Mike Jackson, who was head of the Army at the time but only learned of the scandal later.

General Jackson last night made clear his disgust at the way soldiers were asked to sacrifice their men for political reasons, shattering the sacred military covenant that no man is left behind on the battlefield.

He told the Mail: ‘The story as you relate it chimes with my memory of the events. It was not only a brave but a very necessary operation to release those two captured soldiers. The British Army looks after its own. Underline that three times.’

The two troopers were seized by militant Islamic militiamen who had infiltrated the Iraqi police.

But a ‘very senior general’ at Permanent Joint Headquarters in Northwood, to the west of London, refused to approve the rescue mission.

Ministry of Defence officials were concerned that attacking an Iraqi police station would undermine the Government’s claims that Britain was successfully handing power to the local security services

In a report on the Failure of British Military and Political Leadership in Basra, published by the First Defence think tank, Mr Holloway says: ‘The senior operational commanders in the MoD – a continent away from the frontline – repeated very clearly, and a number of times, that there were “more important things at stake than the lives of the soldiers”.’

Explaining the reasons for the decision, Mr Holloway quotes a senior British civilian official in Iraq at the time: ‘The need to rescue the soldiers from an insurgent group embedded within the police force proved that our training and mentoring operation was dangerously ineffective, and in complete contradiction to the universally positive picture presented to Whitehall by the Government and MoD at the time.’

That explanation was met with incredulity in the special forces. The report says SAS commanders regarded the orders as ‘politically-motivated deliberations’ that would only succeed in giving the insurgents time to ‘remove their captives beyond the reach of any rescue operation’.
The SAS Lt-Col ‘told his forward based troops to mount the operation with or without approval. In the event, approval did come through – but the operation was already being mounted by the time that it did’.
In a damning conclusion, Mr Holloway reveals: ‘The next day General Mike Jackson was told what had happened and was, reportedly, appalled. He also learned that had the authority not eventually come through the commanding officer and many of his officers and senior ranks would have resigned.’

Mr Holloway’s account makes no reference to the SAS but it was widely reported at the time that the two soldiers seized were part of the special forces regiment based in Hereford.

He reveals that the SAS Lt-Col later left the Army, ‘disillusioned at the degeneration of the moral backbone of British military generalship in the heart of Whitehall’. The MoD said it did not comment on special forces matters

'There are more important things than the lives of soldiers' said the voice in London

The SAS commander in Basra was planning one of the most risky and high-profile operations in the regiment’s recent history when he discovered that the enemy was not his biggest problem.

Hunkered in the nondescript HQ in Iraq’s second city, the Lieutenant-Colonel watched for the umpteenth time as footage of two of his men – held captive, beaten and bloodied – flashed on the TV screen in his office.

(cont'd) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1273507/SAS-defied-MoD-rescue-men-held-hostage-Iraq.html

fng13
05-08-2010, 09:43
Thats disgusting that the leaders would just let their men be killed.

Good on the SAS for taking care of their own. :lifter

Team Sergeant
05-08-2010, 09:53
Thats disgusting that the leaders would just let their men be killed.

Good on the SAS for taking care of their own. :lifter

No what's discusting is that the leaders actually thought this was the correct action to take.

Left-wing socialists, same sort of leaders we currently have in the United States.

I am not surprised.

Team Sergeant

dr. mabuse
05-08-2010, 10:08
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Last hard class
05-08-2010, 10:14
Infuriating. Hmmmm. Do we risk embarrassing some politicians/public figures and save the soldiers or save face on behalf of the politicians and abandon the soldiers? :mad:

I say we offer the politicians in a hostage trade for the soldiers on a, say, 20 to 1 ratio, just for starters. :D

If above suggestion is not practical, send "the boys" to rescue the captives.

Just a suggestion. ;)

I can't think of 20 politicians who are worth one soldier!

Richard
05-08-2010, 10:19
No what's discusting is that the leaders actually thought this was the correct action to take.

Left-wing socialists, same sort of leaders we currently have in the United States.

I am not surprised.

Team Sergeant

An appropriate response... :D :D :D

Richard's $.02

akv
05-08-2010, 11:34
Great on the SAS!, :lifter

I hope this turns into a media frenzy that humiliates and topples the politicians who were ready to betray their troops. ( Or realistically their scapegoats)

How do these people sleep at night?

greenberetTFS
05-08-2010, 12:04
"Voice in London"said there's "more important things than the lives of the solders
"......:( They should find out who this PRICK is and see how long he'll last in his position in Parliament,MoD,or where ever the hell he's in the government........:(:mad:

Big Teddy :munchin

AngelsSix
05-08-2010, 18:03
I've had the pleasure (NOT!) of meeting a few officers and senior enlisted that felt that if they rode along on a mission, it meant that they were "leading from the front". Basically it was more of a pain in the ass. True leaders know when to stay out of the way. Today it seems to be more like "bragging rights", instead of true leadership. Just my .02.....

Bill Harsey
05-08-2010, 18:29
The political judgements have been made and there is nothing I can add so I simply raise my glass to the British SAS!:lifter

Well done guys.

dr. mabuse
05-08-2010, 20:58
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Requiem
05-09-2010, 00:30
'There are more important things than the lives of soldiers' said the voice in London

Appalling statement. IMO, there's nothing more precious than the lives of those who stand between me and the enemy. That moron takes his freedom too casually; he doesn't deserve it, let alone the office he holds.

-Susan

Green Light
05-09-2010, 06:38
The Brits have an unfortunate tradition of really bad generalship (with a few bright spots here and there).

Our SAS Regiment cousins are truly fine soldiers. They always find a way to get the job done. A pox on the politicians who would sacrifice these good lads for political expediency. The officers and men were ready to sacrifice their careers and their lives for their teammates. They were ready and willing to do the hard right instead of the easy wrong. That is the very definition of moral and physical courage.

the squid
05-10-2010, 05:00
It is shameful that it even came to this in the first place.

Any leader worth their weight would have simply said "Go and get them."

Good on the SAS for pulling the trigger on this one. My hat's go off to them.

steel71
05-10-2010, 16:47
I wouldn't be surprised to see the British military finally pull off a coup and take to country back. It's really their only hope for the better future.

Bad Tolz
05-10-2010, 17:37
"Who Dares Wins"

Counsel
05-11-2010, 08:42
Pls, excuse my ignorance. But can anyone in their right mind say that the rescue of your teammates is not THE priority at any given time? So why would the on the ground commander need authorization from HQ (in the UK!) to execute this time sensitive type of rescue mission?