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Streck-Fu
04-06-2010, 09:09
I have not looked at the groups website to see what their claims are (won't risk accessing it from work) but this strikes me as strange. A group states they will peacefully dismantle part of the government yet the FBI warns against it inspiring violence.
Maybe I'm paranoid or more sensitive to this kind of preemptive assessment, but this looks like advancing the groundwork for more action against dissidents and critics of the government.
LINK (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hKXtwirU7eHhjk011iMFo7BXjBYQD9EQT7EO1)
FBI warns extremist letters may encourage violence
By EILEEN SULLIVAN and DEVLIN BARRETT (AP) – 4 days ago
WASHINGTON — A federal intelligence note is warning police that an anti-government group's call to remove dozens of sitting governors may encourage others to act out violently.
A group that calls itself the Guardians of the free Republics has a plan to "restore America" by peacefully dismantling parts of the government, according to its Web site.
As of Wednesday, more than 30 governors had received letters demanding they leave office within three days or they will be removed, according to an internal intelligence note by the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, which was obtained by The Associated Press.
Investigators do not see threats of violence in the group's message, but fear the broad call for removing top state officials could inspire others to act out violently.
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal's office confirmed the governor had received a letter and directed all further questions to the Louisiana State Police.
Lt. Doug Cain, a state police spokesman, said the letter from the Guardians of the free Republics arrived at the governor's office and the state police were called.
"They called us as they do for any letter that's out of the norm," Cain said.
He declined to provide specifics about the letter, but said, "I can't say if it was threatening, but I can say that not knowing the group and the information contained in the letter warranted state police to review it." Cain said the letter has gone to numerous governors across the country.
rubberneck
04-06-2010, 09:19
If our founding fathers were alive today they would be considered a group of violent right wing, anti-government extremists by the FBI.
About what you'd expect to find walking through an almond or any other such orchard...
http://guardiansofthefreerepublics.com/immidiate_goals.html
And so it goes...;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Being that SPLC, DOJ, DHS, FBI and JTTF have been so keen on domestic threats in the past week, why don't we see FBI interest about this 'inspiring' entry from Green Peace in the past few days....not much different than Hutaree except this is acceptable Green Agenda Violence, God's Will hasn't been invoked in the threat and they weren't running around the woods in camo.
“Let's talk about what that mass civil disobedience is going to look like.
"If you're one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:
We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work. And we be many, but you be few.”
Read about here:
http://weblog.greenpeace.org/climate/2010/04/will_the_real_climategate_plea_1.html
Will the real ClimateGate please stand up? (part 2)
Statement from Ananth, International Programme Director:
You’ve probably come here to read a blog post written by our colleague Gene, in which he addresses climate sceptics by saying:
“Let's talk about what that mass civil disobedience is going to look like.
"If you're one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:
We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work. And we be many, but you be few.”
Well, we’ve taken down that post from our website. It’s very easy to misconstrue that line, take it out of context and suggest it means something wholly different from the practice of peaceful civil disobedience, which is what the post was about. Anyone who knows Gene knows he’s an entirely peaceful guy. In the interest of transparency we have moved it off site to this location, where you can read the offending quotes in context and judge for yourself:
We got this one wrong, no doubt about it. I’m holding up my hands on behalf of the organisation and saying sorry for that. Peaceful action is at the very core of what we do, so any language that even comes close to suggesting that’s not the case is something we cannot support.
Gene in his blog asks: “What do you do when patient petitioning, protest marches and court orders fail? What do you do when all the protocols and cheat codes of democracy fail? This is what you do: you reclaim the language of democracy from the twisted bunch that have hijacked, cannibalized and subverted it.”
We need to reclaim the language of democracy and tolerance. A language that is clear and precise. A language that does not confuse integrity of protest and civil disobedience with anger. One which establishes the fundamental tenets of protecting the planet for all life forms.
The climate change debate is often characterised by more heat than light, and for that reason we all need to be careful about how we express ourselves.
Of course the anti-science brigade on the web has seized on the line in Gene's post and run with it (and will run and run and run), taken it out of context and run with it some more – it’s what the climate contrarians exist to do.
We do not look over our colleagues’ shoulders when they blog. That’s not what the web is about – and that means we’ll make mistakes. No doubt this won’t be the last one, but next time we’ll deal with it a little quicker.
Thank you for coming to the Greenpeace website, and while you’re here please take the chance to have a look round at some of the work we do.
And if you have any questions about what I’ve written here, feel free to drop me a line at: ananth[at]greenpeace.org, International Programme Director, Greenpeace International.
-- Ananth
Green Peace took the article down because it could be 'misconstrued'......I am sure the Hutaree and the Guardians of the Free Republics feel the same way.
There are agendas being played out...my Tin Foil opinion.
I feel like everytime I hit a link like that guardian of the free republics link I have just made the FBI watch list. :eek:
greenberetTFS
04-06-2010, 10:20
I feel like everytime I hit a link like that guardian of the free republics link I have just made the FBI watch list. :eek:
In case you haven't realized it yet,by joining this forum your automatically on that list!:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Big Teddy :munchin
About what you'd expect to find walking through an almond or any other such orchard...
http://guardiansofthefreerepublics.com/immidiate_goals.html
And so it goes...;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Concur. Their first directive from the above link: Ending foreclosure and bank collection actions immediately (our first and seventh directives)
I guess its pro-American to not be accountable for personal finances now. Those dang black helicopters that swoop in and take your house. Don't they know you were spending your mortgage payment on a 50 cal barrett!
I know its been discussed elsewhere, but the FBI is made up of Patriots too.
I know its been discussed elsewhere, but the FBI is made up of Patriots too.
Very true! Hat's off too them, it isn't an easy job. I know I would find it difficult putting my personal feelings aside on matters I may not agree or find fault with.
In case you haven't realized it yet,by joining this forum your automatically on that list!:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Big Teddy :munchin
Well between this forum, All of the papers I have research/written about terrorism for College, and my ATF form 1 application, I'm probably inching towards the top. ;)
rubberneck
04-06-2010, 13:06
I know its been discussed elsewhere, but the FBI is made up of Patriots too.
There is no doubt in my mind that rank and file agents are, for the most part, good people and Patriots but they still take their directions from political appointee's.
longrange1947
04-06-2010, 20:20
There is no doubt in my mind that rank and file agents are, for the most part, good people and Patriots but they still take their directions from political appointee's.
And that is my worry. I notice that there is not as much of an emphasis on "illegal orders" anymore in many government departments. Mention it and you will get a blank look.
The only thing reading that made me think of was "soup du jour". I can see DHS's point though. This group may well be non-violent, but all it takes is one fruitcake to read it, take it personally and off he goes.
armymom1228
04-06-2010, 21:42
In case you haven't realized it yet,by joining this forum your automatically on that list!:rolleyes:
Big Teddy
Well, at least I am in good company.;) I cannot think of a better bunch to be on a list of any kind with.:D
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6.8SPC_DUMP
04-07-2010, 00:23
Well said Rubberneck and thanks for providing the link Richard. In the "Rational" (http://guardiansofthefreerepublics.com/rationale.html) section of their tiny site was a brief, unspecific, non-linear and convoluted message denouncing the Constitution in favor of "Biblical law".
Wanting to peaceably remove elected officials is one of the founding principals of democracy and the guardians of the free republics is a piss poor example. Whether or not the FBI's impetus is to suppress dissenting voices does not change the fact that a clear signal is sent to the masses that they could be labled "anti-government" if they are not careful.
If you hold up sign at a G-20 conference reading "Globalization Hurts America" you are classified as a "low level terrorists" by the DoD. If you have a "Don't Tread on Me", "Abortion is Murder", "Pro-Constitutionalist", "Pro-Libertarian" or a "far left leaning" bumper sticker you may be classified as a "potential terrorist" to your local LE as directed by the DHS.
OTOH, if a group comes to celebrate the death and slander the memory of a loved one at their funeral because they died in service of the Armed Forces: all the legal protection you currently have to shield mourners from an unimaginably enraging spectacle (at the least political of events) is State and/or Federal legislation mandating a "buffer-zone" with the good soles who maintain it. About 40 states have such "buffer-zones" and voting out a politician who refuses to have his/her state's citizens be broadly categorized as "low level terrorists" or "potential terrorists" would be another example of a Representative Democracy; not unlike voting out a politician who stands against funeral "buffer zones".
I have made political statements I regret, but take responsibility for, as have a lot of people who care about their country having a congressional approval rate of 10% and a congressional re-election rate of 90%.
Those who advocate "gangs" or Green Peace being listed as terrorists might want to take a step back and consider that through EO's, Directives, ect. much of the Constitutional and Bill of Rights freedoms are currently gone seeing as we are at war with terrorists. It's hard to argue that federal failures aren't used as justification for more power or that the war on terror is likely to end.
In the next 30 months we will have to sell an additional 3 trillion in treasuries and I don't see any alternative then the Fed. buying them which would spike inflation and may cause other countries to sell ours also. Inflationary and deflationary effects are not mutually exclusive.
Compound that with additional deficits each year (absent massive taxing increases), 45 of our 50 states being dependant on federal assistance, the interest on our debt alone soon to exceed current total income tax revenues and huge pre-existing "off balance sheet" federal debts: Who will be labled a terrorist if things go bad? I don't know much but I know that often the poorer the country the more corrupt the LE.
That's not to say I don't have the utmost gratitude and admiration for those working hard to keep us safe. Though securing our boarders and testing imports for Gov. level WMD would be an important step IMHO.
Their first directive from the above link: Ending foreclosure and bank collection actions immediately (our first and seventh directives)
The "bail-outs" were originally sold to Bush and our other representatives as just that: tapping the Treasury to print money to buy the toxic assests of private companies who's financially unscreened consumers inability to pay their mortgages was the foundation. It was the first time since the Great Depression that the Treasury put public debt in private hands. Former Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson literally on his hands and knees to sign off on it immediately giving Reps a three page summery of a bill that was months in the making and hundreds of pages.Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NON4ygSMltU) The House of Representatives initially rejected this act so Senate leaders amended existing bill H.R. 1424, which had passed the House, to include it and bypass the revenue origination clause of the Constitution. Senator James Inhofe describes Paulson's threats of martial law to select Senators if the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 wasn't passed here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PovFa9hVtw)
Contrary to the very clear 3 page summery: the day after it passed the money was given to undisclosed private institutions who had the same ability to leverage the money they received 60 to 80+ times the original amount.
It should be noted that Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson had a role in creating most of the troubled assets, while he was CEO of Goldman Sachs, where he was paid over half a billion. Link (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ax3yON_uNe7I) This might explain why he had a secret “social event” with GS, while Treasury Secretary, in Moscow... Link (http://www.businessinsider.com/hank-paulson-held-a-secret-meeting-with-goldman-sachs-in-moscow-2009-10) Not shocking that GS had the fore-sight to bet against their mortgage-related securities and against the U.S. housing market during the crisis.Link (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/how-goldman-sachs-made-tens-of-billions-of-dollars-from-the-economic-collapse-of-america-in-four-easy-steps) GS was also the largest benefactor of the AIG bail out Paulson oversaw. There was some talk of current Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner facing criminal charges over covering up AIG bailout details.Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs-HZAtdQBQ) Geithner decided AIG would be bailed out just two days after deciding not to rescue GS and Morgan Stanley competitor Lehman Brothers.
Mark Pittman, a financial journalist for Bloomberg news, sued the Fed to disclose what institutions got more than $2 trillion because the Fed said it would cause them “severe and irreparable competitive injury” . He won on Aug. 24, 2009 as Manhattan Federal Court affirmed the public’s right to know and died a few months later from a heart-related illness at 52. The precise cause of death isn't known.Link (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=afp8OC.OvRnI)
The Fed appealed but the U.S. Court of Appeals in Manhattan upheld the decision March 19, 2010. The Fed will likely seek a rehearing or appeal to the full appeals court and eventually petition the U.S. Supreme Court.Link (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aUpIaeiWKF2s)
Last hard class
04-07-2010, 02:37
In the next 30 months we will have to sell an additional 3 trillion in treasuries and I don't see any alternative then the Fed. buying them which would spike inflation and may cause other countries to sell ours also. Inflationary and deflationary effects are not mutually exclusive.
Per your bio, if you believe this outcome, I hope you are allocated accordingly.
The "bail-outs" were originally sold to Bush and our other representatives as just that: tapping the Treasury to print money to buy the toxic assests of private companies who's financially unscreened consumers inability to pay their mortgages was the foundation. It was the first time since the Great Depression that the Treasury put public debt in private hands. Former Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson literally on his hands and knees to sign off on it immediately giving Reps a three page summery of a bill that was months in the making and hundreds of pages.Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NON4ygSMltU) The House of Representatives initially rejected this act so Senate leaders amended existing bill H.R. 1424, which had passed the House, to include it and bypass the revenue origination clause of the Constitution. Senator James Inhofe describes Paulson's threats of martial law to select Senators if the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 wasn't passed here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PovFa9hVtw)
Contrary to the very clear 3 page summery: the day after it passed the money was given to undisclosed private institutions who had the same ability to leverage the money they received 60 to 80+ times the original amount.
This country is a financial airborne daddy on a one way trip. And we all know how that story turns out.