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akv
03-01-2010, 17:39
I was surprised to see this, not because I wish I had a nickel for every time someone (especially a European) tells me the "American Empire is in Decline", but having read Ferguson he seems the furthest thing from a PC historian. Perhaps I'm an incurable optimist, and America certainly faces economic and global challenges which must be addressed, but we have overcome worse, and even if you feel our resources, economic and military power aren't exceptional, how can you ignore simple geography? No other empire has had the advantage of vast oceans as buffers on either side and undisputed control of the seas. England's Navy was never this dominant. Yes China might develop, instead of imploding etc, but wasn't Japan assured of surpassing the US economically in 1985, where are they now?


America, the fragile empire
Here today, gone tomorrow -- could the United States fall that fast?

By Niall Ferguson
February 28, 2010


For centuries, historians, political theorists, anthropologists and the public have tended to think about the political process in seasonal, cyclical terms. From Polybius to Paul Kennedy, from ancient Rome to imperial Britain, we discern a rhythm to history. Great powers, like great men, are born, rise, reign and then gradually wane. No matter whether civilizations decline culturally, economically or ecologically, their downfalls are protracted.

In the same way, the challenges that face the United States are often represented as slow-burning. It is the steady march of demographics -- which is driving up the ratio of retirees to workers -- not bad policy that condemns the public finances of the United States to sink deeper into the red. It is the inexorable growth of China's economy, not American stagnation, that will make the gross domestic product of the People's Republic larger than that of the United States by 2027.

As for climate change, the day of reckoning could be as much as a century away. These threats seem very remote compared with the time frame for the deployment of U.S. soldiers to Afghanistan, in which the unit of account is months, not years, much less decades.

But what if history is not cyclical and slow-moving but arrhythmic -- at times almost stationary but also capable of accelerating suddenly, like a sports car? What if collapse does not arrive over a number of centuries but comes suddenly, like a thief in the night?

Great powers are complex systems, made up of a very large number of interacting components that are asymmetrically organized, which means their construction more resembles a termite hill than an Egyptian pyramid. They operate somewhere between order and disorder. Such systems can appear to operate quite stably for some time; they seem to be in equilibrium but are, in fact, constantly adapting. But there comes a moment when complex systems "go critical." A very small trigger can set off a "phase transition" from a benign equilibrium to a crisis -- a single grain of sand causes a whole pile to collapse.

Not long after such crises happen, historians arrive on the scene. They are the scholars who specialize in the study of "fat tail" events -- the low-frequency, high-impact historical moments, the ones that are by definition outside the norm and that therefore inhabit the "tails" of probability distributions -- such as wars, revolutions, financial crashes and imperial collapses. But historians often misunderstand complexity in decoding these events. They are trained to explain calamity in terms of long-term causes, often dating back decades. This is what Nassim Taleb rightly condemned in "The Black Swan" as "the narrative fallacy."

In reality, most of the fat-tail phenomena that historians study are not the climaxes of prolonged and deterministic story lines; instead, they represent perturbations, and sometimes the complete breakdowns, of complex systems.

To understand complexity, it is helpful to examine how natural scientists use the concept. Think of the spontaneous organization of termites, which allows them to construct complex hills and nests, or the fractal geometry of water molecules as they form intricate snowflakes. Human intelligence itself is a complex system, a product of the interaction of billions of neurons in the central nervous system.

All these complex systems share certain characteristics. A small input to such a system can produce huge, often unanticipated changes -- what scientists call "the amplifier effect." Causal relationships are often nonlinear, which means that traditional methods of generalizing through observation are of little use. Thus, when things go wrong in a complex system, the scale of disruption is nearly impossible to anticipate.

There is no such thing as a typical or average forest fire, for example. To use the jargon of modern physics, a forest before a fire is in a state of "self-organized criticality": It is teetering on the verge of a breakdown, but the size of the breakdown is unknown. Will there be a small fire or a huge one? It is nearly impossible to predict. The key point is that in such systems, a relatively minor shock can cause a disproportionate disruption.

Any large-scale political unit is a complex system. Most great empires have a nominal central authority -- either a hereditary emperor or an elected president -- but in practice the power of any individual ruler is a function of the network of economic, social and political relations over which he or she presides. As such, empires exhibit many of the characteristics of other complex adaptive systems -- including the tendency to move from stability to instability quite suddenly.

The most recent and familiar example of precipitous decline is the collapse of the Soviet Union. With the benefit of hindsight, historians have traced all kinds of rot within the Soviet system back to the Brezhnev era and beyond. Perhaps, as the historian and political scientist Stephen Kotkin has argued, it was only the high oil prices of the 1970s that "averted Armageddon." But this did not seem to be the case at the time. The Soviet nuclear arsenal was larger than the U.S. stockpile. And governments in what was then called the Third World, from Vietnam to Nicaragua, had been tilting in the Soviets' favor for most of the previous 20 years.

Yet, less than five years after Mikhail Gorbachev took power, the Soviet imperium in central and Eastern Europe had fallen apart, followed by the Soviet Union itself in 1991. If ever an empire fell off a cliff, rather than gently declining, it was the one founded by Lenin.

If empires are complex systems that sooner or later succumb to sudden and catastrophic malfunctions, what are the implications for the United States today? First, debating the stages of decline may be a waste of time -- it is a precipitous and unexpected fall that should most concern policymakers and citizens. Second, most imperial falls are associated with fiscal crises. Alarm bells should therefore be ringing very loudly indeed as the United States contemplates a deficit for 2010 of more than $1.5 trillion -- about 11% of GDP, the biggest since World War II.

These numbers are bad, but in the realm of political entities, the role of perception is just as crucial. In imperial crises, it is not the material underpinnings of power that really matter but expectations about future power. The fiscal numbers cited above cannot erode U.S. strength on their own, but they can work to weaken a long-assumed faith in the United States' ability to weather any crisis.

One day, a seemingly random piece of bad news -- perhaps a negative report by a rating agency -- will make the headlines during an otherwise quiet news cycle. Suddenly, it will be not just a few policy wonks who worry about the sustainability of U.S. fiscal policy but the public at large, not to mention investors abroad. It is this shift that is crucial: A complex adaptive system is in big trouble when its component parts lose faith in its viability.

Over the last three years, the complex system of the global economy flipped from boom to bust -- all because a bunch of Americans started to default on their subprime mortgages, thereby blowing huge holes in the business models of thousands of highly leveraged financial institutions. The next phase of the current crisis may begin when the public begins to reassess the credibility of the radical monetary and fiscal steps that were taken in response.

Neither interest rates at zero nor fiscal stimulus can achieve a sustainable recovery if people in the United States and abroad collectively decide, overnight, that such measures will ultimately lead to much higher inflation rates or outright default. Bond yields can shoot up if expectations change about future government solvency, intensifying an already bad fiscal crisis by driving up the cost of interest payments on new debt. Just ask Greece.

Ask Russia too. Fighting a losing battle in the mountains of the Hindu Kush has long been a harbinger of imperial fall. What happened 20 years ago is a reminder that empires do not in fact appear, rise, reign, decline and fall according to some recurrent and predictable life cycle. It is historians who retrospectively portray the process of imperial dissolution as slow-acting. Rather, empires behave like all complex adaptive systems. They function in apparent equilibrium for some unknowable period. And then, quite abruptly, they collapse.

Washington, you have been warned.

Niall Ferguson is a professor at Harvard University and Harvard Business School, and a fellow of Jesus College, Oxford. s

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-ferguson28-2010feb28,0,7706980.story

Pete
03-01-2010, 17:57
While the general thrust of the story could be true I would think many countries in Europe are closer to tipping than us.

And when we do tip what will happen to Africa? What will happen to countries that suffer a natural disaster?

Lots of people will go hungry if we go under.

DevilSide
03-01-2010, 19:40
Was watching Glen Beck the other day, and he mentioned the Kondratiev Wave theory. About every 60 years we are supposed to have a "depression" and it comes up, and that we are at the mid way point of the depression. The only real bad comes from huge amounts of bailouts like the ones Obama has been doing, because it interrupts that natural flow. Guess thats our problem eh?

longrange1947
03-01-2010, 20:39
Broadsword - I believe it, because about every 60 years the US citizenry elects idiots that promise everything and ruins everything. We are presently in that cycle of idiots. :munchin

As far as decline, as has been mentioned, all are in decline and relative to all we are still up there. Take a look at Europe, as much as they like to think they are in good shape they are not. Their give aways are unsustainable as they are now finding out. I would say the European Union Empire is in greater decline than we are.

DevilSide
03-01-2010, 20:48
Not sure if I believe that. I mean the Great Depression occurred due to terrible monetary and economic policy on the part of the Federal Reserve and the government, and then this current recession to a good extent is a result of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, New Deal creations.

I can't confirm its validity, I'm not very knowledgeable in economics but it seems like a good theory. It's not necessarily the Great Depression, thats a different case that knocked things off a bit. The theory states that there are 3 phases, expansion, stagnation, and recession *now*, but does not account for human error like seen today.

By 1939 he saw that the New Deal didn't work and he saw that the rest of the world had already come out of it. Remember the Great Depression as it's called here in America was only the depression in the rest of the world. We made it a Great Depression because we didn't let things fail and we didn't let things reset. The rest of the world let it all reset. So that's why it's the Great Depression in our history books but if you go over to Europe, it is only called the depression.

From http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/34664/



This is what went in TV. So if the Theory is right, that means to get out of this recession, we should have minimal Government influence in the economy.


Broadsword - I believe it, because about every 60 years the US citizenry elects idiots that promise everything and ruins everything. We are presently in that cycle of idiots. :munchin

Another good possibility :D

Marina
03-01-2010, 22:58
With the Federal debt as large as it is after two wars, Wall Street bailouts, and flukey stimulus package, we will need to rein it in to pay for retirement of baby boomers. Taxes will go up. I think quite a bit to EU levels. But we will make it through and we are in a better position than many other nations.

The one area I worry about is foreign entanglements. The world is playing chess and we're playing checkers. I don't think investing in foreign countries who hide or double game our support is a good idea in the long run.

"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

- Cicero - 55 BC

:)

Sigaba
03-02-2010, 18:40
Niall Ferguson

AKV--

In an odd way, Professor Ferguson is being very un "PC" because he's trying to throw most of his peers under the bus. (IMHO, he's trying to woo new readers from a popular audience.)

With all the money he's making as a multi-media gadfly, one would think that Professor Ferguson could keep his subscriptions to academic periodicals current. Or, he could at least contact the IT department at Harvard to make sure he can get access to jstor.org and/or Project MUSE and/or the History Cooperative.

The opinion piece suggests that he's either (a) fallen very far behind on his professional reading or (b) he was working against a deadline and cobbled his editorial together from notes for a presentation to disinterested underclassmen or (c) looking to be the cynosure of the next meeting of Harvard's history department. (His piece suggests that he doesn't have much of a grasp of or interest in what his esteemed colleagues are doing-- especially David Blackbourn, Charles S. Maier, and Lizabeth Cohen.)

YMMV.