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Red Flag 1
02-24-2010, 13:45
The 1MAR2010 issue of the Air Force Times is reporting on Salvia divinorum (Sal D) and "Spice" abuse. The substance is loosely regulated and has LSD like effects. There is a corps wide ban for the USMC and The AF Spec. Ops Command.

"Spice" is a product of Europe. It is made from plant materials that are sprayed with Salvinorin A. (Sal A) , and sold as incense. Sal A is the prime active molecule in Sal D. Sal A is a hallucinogenic compound with psychedelic/dissociative effects, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SalvinorinA, . Sal A is noted to be the only known compound in this class that acts as a kappa opiod agonist. Sal A does not activate the serotonin 2A receptor. Spice is being ingested orally and smoked to produce its psychedelic effects. I have not seen any reports of parenteral use, though is probably has been tried.

In looking to the DEA Office of Diversion Control, www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov, Sal A and Sal D have regulatory controls in 14 states. Several other states have legeslation proposed to regulate these compounds. Several European nations have imposed regulations on Sal A and Sal D. The AF Times article reports that in addition to the USMC and AF Spec Ops, Special Operations Command and several AF facilities have banned Spice and Sal A&D.

The crux of the problem here is the ability to purchase Spice OTC. The purchase is of a potent LSD like drug that has, "unpredictable outcomes when ingested" . There is no control in production of Spice; the active ingredients can vary vastly from packet to packet. While Sal A & D have been around since isolated in 1982, Spice is the new delivery system to watch for.

Be well!

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Pete
02-24-2010, 14:42
A giant worm leaping out of the sand just jumped into my mind.

"The spice must flow"

Red Flag 1
02-24-2010, 16:27
A giant worm leaping out of the sand just jumped into my mind.

"The spice must flow"

Ah yes, and we are all Dunned...............sorry,........ Doomed.

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Shans84
02-24-2010, 19:43
Looks like I have another UPL update briefing to go to !

rdret1
02-25-2010, 09:36
There are several videos on youtube of knuckleheads smoking Salvia. It looks like a short duration, but intense, effect. We haven't seen any here yet fortunately. Another new one we have been told about is "K2", herbs sprayed with a synthetic version of THC. Several states are scrambling to get a handle on it.

Dozer523
02-25-2010, 10:47
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Pete
12-30-2011, 05:21
'Synthetic' marijuana is problem for US military

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MILITARY_FAKE_MARIJUANA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

"SAN DIEGO (AP) -- U.S. troops are increasingly using an easy-to-get herbal mix called "Spice," which mimics a marijuana high and can bring on hallucinations that last for days.

The abuse of the drug has so alarmed military officials that they've launched an aggressive testing program that this year has led to the investigation of more than 1,100 suspected users, according to military figures...................."

The problem appears to be growing.

".................Hurst said the behavior in many cases he witnessed at first seemed akin to schizophrenia. Usually within minutes, however, the person became completely lucid. Sometimes, the person goes in and out of such episodes for days.

He recalled one especially bizarre case of a sailor who came in with his sobbing wife.

"He stood their holding a sandwich in front of him with no clue as to what to do," he said. "He opened it up, looked at it, touched it. I took it and folded it over and then he took a bite out it. But then we had to tell him, `you have to chew.'"......."

Some people can barely handle beer and they want to throw in "Spice"?

So many people are making it with so many variations how can a person be sure they are not smoking rat poison?

greenberetTFS
12-30-2011, 06:47
I know I've beaten the shit out of this phrase but I really believe this is as good as it gets: Stupid is as stupid does!!!!..... :mad::mad::mad:

Big Teddy :munchin

JimP
12-30-2011, 08:10
Spice is now prohibited by policy and regulation in all the services. We just tossed a "frequent-flyer" for this as he thought he was smarter than everyone else. Another thing to watch out for is Bath Salts. I kid you not.....

Joe will do some stupid freakin' things... (not that I ever did anything stupid as a young troop...:rolleyes:).

Red Flag 1
12-30-2011, 14:57
I know I've beaten the shit out of this phrase but I really believe this is as good as it gets: Stupid is as stupid does!!!!..... :mad::mad::mad:

Big Teddy :munchin

Yup, you are right Big Teddy, this is really dumb. It is unlawful in our county, and is giving the LOE's a hard run to police it. The stuff is just so hard to track down. There are at least two articles per week about "Spice" in our local papers. Nice to see the word is out there so well; now I wonder who is whispering to the press around here??.

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Sand_Rogue
01-02-2012, 22:46
Spice is now prohibited by policy and regulation in all the services. We just tossed a "frequent-flyer" for this as he thought he was smarter than everyone else. Another thing to watch out for is Bath Salts. I kid you not.....

Joe will do some stupid freakin' things... (not that I ever did anything stupid as a young troop...:rolleyes:).

Those "bath salts" are also synthetic drugs meant to simulate drugs anywhere from meth, to heroin, to cocaine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designer_drug#Misleading_descriptions

I have to wonder though, would legal regulated use in the military of marijuana (like alcohol) work?

Red Flag 1
01-02-2012, 23:11
Those "bath salts" are also synthetic drugs meant to simulate drugs anywhere from meth, to heroin, to cocaine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designer_drug#Misleading_descriptions

I have to wonder though, would legal regulated use in the military of marijuana (like alcohol) work?
I do not see any benefit; legal or not.

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Sand_Rogue
01-03-2012, 20:50
I do not see any benefit; legal or not.

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Would that include alcohol as well?

SF_BHT
01-03-2012, 22:18
Those "bath salts" are also synthetic drugs meant to simulate drugs anywhere from meth, to heroin, to cocaine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designer_drug#Misleading_descriptions

I have to wonder though, would legal regulated use in the military of marijuana (like alcohol) work?

That will never happen as the military is Federal and under Federal law it is and will stay illegal no matter what some states want.

SF_BHT
01-03-2012, 22:21
Would that include alcohol as well?

At least it s Legal......

MtnGoat
01-03-2012, 23:07
All of these synthetic drugs are testable under the military "PISS TEST". You come up "hot" on them the same way someone would for marijuana, meth, to heroin, and cocaine. I don't know what they test for (I.E. THC) but you come up "HOT".

Unit UPL mamager sould know more and should IMHO holding a NCPD on these "new" drugs. Some Soldiers think just becuase it is OTC they are cleared to do it. North Carolina last I heard made them all illegal.

As SF_BHT said.... under Federal law it is and will stay illegal no matter what some states want.

BLUF - "SPICES" are "PISSABLE" and well as TESTABLE!!!

1stindoor
01-04-2012, 09:47
I have to wonder though, would legal regulated use in the military of marijuana (like alcohol) work?

Just ask all those Soldiers who have been turned into civilians as a result of Alcohol related incidents.

"Joe" can't handle his alcohol, without making serious life changing and sometimes horrific decisions...what makes you think marijuana will make things any better?

Red Flag 1
01-04-2012, 14:42
Would that include alcohol as well?

Your point is......?

Alcohol use is pretty well spelled out, including misuse/abuse.

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Sand_Rogue
01-04-2012, 19:45
Your point is......?

Alcohol use is pretty well spelled out, including misuse/abuse.

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Yes, what I meant to say was if marijuana were legalized (on the federal level) do you think the army would have a policy similar to that of alcohol. Could it work?

SF_BHT
01-04-2012, 22:28
Yes, what I meant to say was if marijuana were legalized (on the federal level) do you think the army would have a policy similar to that of alcohol. Could it work?

If and that will be a big IF the military would have two options.
Allow it or ban it while you are serving.

I can tell you it is not going to be legalized by e Fed's in my lifetime.

Politicians love to play let's just legalize it and tax it but that is just politics.

Red Flag 1
01-05-2012, 21:10
Yes, what I meant to say was if marijuana were legalized (on the federal level) do you think the army would have a policy similar to that of alcohol. Could it work?

I see your question, and agree with SF BHT. I just don't see it happening anytime soon. Why do we need another drug?

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kgoerz
01-06-2012, 18:18
It's hard not to notice that over 100,000 people die every year from Alcohol and prescription drugs abuse. Drugs that are legal. But there is not one documented case of anyone dying from Marijuana abuse. Also take in to consideration the billions of dollars spent trying to stop Marijuana from being sold in the U.S.
I'm not turning hippie on you guys, but those are the facts. I believe the deaths from legal prescription drugs doubled in the last few years. Along with the amount of prescriptions being handed out.
There are negative effects of any substance abuse. Including Marijuana. But no one has ever died from ingesting THC, never.

alelks
01-06-2012, 18:57
But no one has ever died from ingesting THC, never.

Or gotten a a speeding ticket. :D

Also it's helps spur the economy (muchies and all).

I'm just saying. ????????

Personally I've never had the urge to do any type of drug but I really do think that if we legalized some of it we would have fewer problems including deaths from violence.

kgoerz
01-06-2012, 19:54
Or gotten a a speeding ticket. :D

Also it's helps spur the economy (muchies and all).

I'm just saying. ????????

Personally I've never had the urge to do any type of drug but I really do think that if we legalized some of it we would have fewer problems including deaths from violence.

It just seems weird that I can enter any type of urgent care here in town. Thirty minutes later I walk out with a prescription for deadly Narcotics, just because I have Med Insurance. But we have State of the art Black Hawk's hovering over the boarder looking for Pot smugglers.

Ghost_Team
01-07-2012, 08:04
I'm not a medic, but after reading some of the marijuana stuff I did a little research. WebMD says that a "light user" will have a clean piss test after a marijuana free week, while a "stoner" could piss hot for a month after his last smoke.

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/marijuana-use-and-its-effects

Where I am going with this is that alcohol is out of your system relatively quickly, thereby making tests for DUI and investigations relatively accurate. Given the way marijuana stays in the system tho, and the heavy user/light user argument, how would you be able to tell if someone was stoned out of their mind causing a traffic accident or just a recovering heavy user that hasn't had any in weeks?

And while marijuana itself might not kill people, here are a couple of articles that cite it as a possible contributing factor in fatalities:

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Cellphone+marijuana+preceded+train+crash+report/5523189/story.html

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/02/nation/la-na-pot-drivers-20110703

While I agree that drugs being illegal is akin to the crime wave and resource waste that went along with Prohibition, I'm more concerned about "the law of unintended consequences" if everything became legal tomorrow.

I'm open to the opinions of those more qualified than me on this (LEO's and Medics in particular)

PedOncoDoc
01-07-2012, 08:48
Where I am going with this is that alcohol is out of your system relatively quickly, thereby making tests for DUI and investigations relatively accurate. Given the way marijuana stays in the system tho, and the heavy user/light user argument, how would you be able to tell if someone was stoned out of their mind causing a traffic accident or just a recovering heavy user that hasn't had any in weeks?


Quick and simple solution: If you fail a field sobriety test and piss hot for marijuana, you get a driving while impaired/intoxicated regardless of whether you were actively stoned. Want to use drugs? Fine - you will held to a higher level of accountability if wanting to also operate a motor vehicle.

Masochist
01-07-2012, 11:02
I'm not a medic, but after reading some of the marijuana stuff I did a little research. WebMD says that a "light user" will have a clean piss test after a marijuana free week, while a "stoner" could piss hot for a month after his last smoke.

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/marijuana-use-and-its-effects

Where I am going with this is that alcohol is out of your system relatively quickly, thereby making tests for DUI and investigations relatively accurate. Given the way marijuana stays in the system tho, and the heavy user/light user argument, how would you be able to tell if someone was stoned out of their mind causing a traffic accident or just a recovering heavy user that hasn't had any in weeks?

And while marijuana itself might not kill people, here are a couple of articles that cite it as a possible contributing factor in fatalities:

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Cellphone+marijuana+preceded+train+crash+report/5523189/story.html

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/02/nation/la-na-pot-drivers-20110703

While I agree that drugs being illegal is akin to the crime wave and resource waste that went along with Prohibition, I'm more concerned about "the law of unintended consequences" if everything became legal tomorrow.

I'm open to the opinions of those more qualified than me on this (LEO's and Medics in particular)

Piss tests/blood draws/breathalysers are meant as a secondary level of confirmation of what the LEO already observed, not the end all, be all of if someone is intoxicated. A DUI arrest can be made without any of those. However, having them is just that much more evidence (in conjunction with evidence to make the stop, results of the field sobriety tests).