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Surf n Turf
01-31-2010, 21:42
Not to pick on my AF Brothers / Sisters, but isn’t this a bit much :munchin
SnT
Pagans get worship space at Academy
Air Force Times
Sunday Jan 31, 2010 8:39:58 EST
The Air Force Academy will add a worship area for followers of “earth-centered religion” — pagans — with a dedication ceremony scheduled for March 10.
A stone circle located on a hill overlooking the Cadet Chapel and visitor center will join Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist sacred spaces at the academy in Colorado Springs, Colo.
Tech. Sgt. Brandon Longcrier, a pagan who worked with the chapel to create the circle, said he did not encounter resistance to the idea.
“There really haven’t been any obstacles for the new circle,” he said in an Air Force news release. “The chaplain’s office has been 100 -percent supportive.”
Longcrier said earth-centered spirituality includes traditions such as Wicca and Druidism. Wicca is the largest religious group in the Air Force after Christianity.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2010/01/airforce_pagans_012910w/
Kyobanim
02-01-2010, 05:07
No
No..
http://www.gurus.org/dougdeb/Essays/Nextrel/contend4.htm
Earth-centered religions:
These include the aboriginal religions of the American Indians and Africans, reconstructed versions of pre-Christian European religions like Neo-Paganism and Wicca, and the beliefs of an occasional Christian or Jew like the heretical Catholic theologian Matthew Fox.
The religions in this category can be thought of as the spiritual wing of the environmental movement.
They tend to be loosely organized and hard to pin down, but for the most part they look on the Earth and its biosphere as a living being to be worshipped and celebrated.
They believe that mankind's proper mission is to learn to live in harmony with the Earth and its life forms, rather than to dominate them.
Thank Al Gore.. ;)
LongWire
02-01-2010, 07:26
No. If they can do it for one, then others should have the same right. Besides most Wiccan chicks are Hot, you might be able to see them dancing in the moonlight naked!!! :D
Kyobanim
02-01-2010, 07:37
Besides most Wiccan chicks are Hot, you might be able to see them dancing in the moonlight naked!!! :D
I'm converting!
I'm converting!I'd attend one service before making a rash decision...:rolleyes:
They could all be fat, ya know...
I don't see any issues with this...unless it becomes the mission of yet another group of 'true believers' to seek to deny the benign spiritual beliefs of others.
I've spent time living amongst what we officially referred to as 'animists' - 'indigenous' cultures of some of the nicest, gentlest, finest people I've ever known - who believed everything had a spirit - much in alignment with the concept of the 'Laws of Nature and of Nature's God' referred to by our Founding Fathers in the Declaration of Independence.
Being of Scot's ancestry, I am quite familiar with the concepts of paganism and the history of its near demise under the onslaught of Christianity - and of the 20th Century's rise of the neo-paganist Wicca. You should visit the Rosslyn Chapel (made famous in The DaVinci Code) to see the dual influence of the two as they crossed paths in Scotland in the 12th-15th Centuries.
Personally, I tend to worship the ground upon which my wife walks - does that make me a danger to society, too? ;)
And so it goes...
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Personally, I tend to worship the ground upon which my wife walks - does that make me a danger to society, too? It's a safe way to live...:D
LongWire
02-01-2010, 09:24
I'd attend one service before making a rash decision...:rolleyes:
They could all be fat, ya know...
It's the AF Academy......Not Basic for Army Chicks!!!!........:D
greenberetTFS
02-01-2010, 11:36
Personally, I tend to worship the ground upon which my wife walks - does that make me a danger to society, too?
Me too!.................;)
Big Teddy :munchin
Bordercop
02-01-2010, 12:16
Happy Wife - Happy Life!
Team Sergeant
02-01-2010, 13:06
Not to pick on my AF Brothers / Sisters, but isn’t this a bit much :munchin
SnT
Pagans get worship space at Academy
Air Force Times
Sunday Jan 31, 2010 8:39:58 EST
The Air Force Academy will add a worship area for followers of “earth-centered religion” — pagans — with a dedication ceremony scheduled for March 10.
A stone circle located on a hill overlooking the Cadet Chapel and visitor center will join Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist sacred spaces at the academy in Colorado Springs, Colo.
Tech. Sgt. Brandon Longcrier, a pagan who worked with the chapel to create the circle, said he did not encounter resistance to the idea.
“There really haven’t been any obstacles for the new circle,” he said in an Air Force news release. “The chaplain’s office has been 100 -percent supportive.”
Longcrier said earth-centered spirituality includes traditions such as Wicca and Druidism. Wicca is the largest religious group in the Air Force after Christianity.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2010/01/airforce_pagans_012910w/
You dissing my religion?
I KILL YOU!
HowardCohodas
02-01-2010, 13:11
You dissing my religion?
I KILL YOU!
Silence! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMfVtfqvP34)
Utah Bob
02-01-2010, 13:29
Whatever.
If you're a Wiccan and have a broom do you automatically get into flight school?
HowardCohodas
02-01-2010, 13:32
Whatever.
If you're a Wiccan and have a broom do you automatically get into flight school?
Limited to VFR with Sectionals. ;)
Utah Bob
02-01-2010, 13:38
Limited to VFR with Sectionals. ;)
That's prudent. Who said the AF doesn't know what it's doing?
Kyobanim
02-01-2010, 14:31
Whatever.
If you're a Wiccan and have a broom do you automatically get into flight school?
Worked for my ex . . .
TOMAHAWK9521
02-01-2010, 22:25
I'd attend one service before making a rash decision...:rolleyes:
They could all be fat, ya know...
Or your typical freak from Boulder, CO.
Or your typical freak from Boulder, CO.Ah yes....women without razors...
HowardCohodas
02-01-2010, 23:05
Or your typical freak from Boulder, CO.
I was there in September. You got that right. And I thought it was just us backwards people from NEO (North East Ohio) :D
Or your typical freak from Boulder, CO.
Ah yes....women without razors...
That's why I'm a SOLITARY and don't belong to a COVEN out here.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
AngelsSix
02-02-2010, 06:34
You dissing my religion?
I KILL YOU!
LMAO!:D
AngelsSix
02-02-2010, 06:36
Limited to VFR with Sectionals. ;)
Dunno, some of these newfangled brooms coming out of Broom Lake are pretty darn sophisticated these days....radar equipped and everything!:p
Sir just curious, so in The DaVinci Code, when it says the following:
Nowadays, the term pagan had become almost synonymous with devil worship---a gross misconception. The word's roots actually reached back to the Latin paganus, meaning country-dwellers. "Pagans" were literally unindoctrinated country-folk who clung to the old, rural religions of Nature worship. In fact, so strong was the Church's fear of those who lived in the rural villes that the once innocuous word for "villager"---villain---came to mean a wicked soul.
...this is true?
RE: Pagan - late 14c., from L.L. paganus "pagan," in classical L. "villager, rustic, civilian," from pagus "rural district," originally "district limited by markers," thus related to pangere "to fix, fasten," from PIE base *pag- "to fix" (see pact). Religious sense is often said to derive from conservative rural adherence to the old gods after the Christianization of Roman towns and cities; but the word in this sense predates that period in Church history, and it is more likely derived from the use of paganus in Roman military jargon for "civilian, incompetent soldier," which Christians (Tertullian, c.202; Augustine) picked up with the military imagery of the early Church (e.g. milites "soldier of Christ," etc.). Applied to modern pantheists and nature-worshippers from 1908.
RE: Villain - c.1300, "base or low-born rustic," from Anglo-Fr. and O.Fr. villain, from M.L. villanus "farmhand," from L. villa "country house" (see villa).
"The most important phases of the sense development of this word may be summed up as follows: 'inhabitant of a farm; peasant; churl, boor; clown; miser; knave, scoundrel.' Today both Fr. vilain and Eng. villain are used only in a pejorative sense." [Klein]
Meaning "character in a novel, play, etc. whose evil motives or actions help drive the plot" is from 1822.
http://www.etymonline.com/
Richard
HowardCohodas
02-02-2010, 07:17
RE: Pagan - late 14c., from L.L. paganus "pagan," in classical L. "villager, rustic, civilian," from pagus "rural district," originally "district limited by markers," thus related to pangere "to fix, fasten," from PIE base *pag- "to fix" (see pact). Religious sense is often said to derive from conservative rural adherence to the old gods after the Christianization of Roman towns and cities; but the word in this sense predates that period in Church history, and it is more likely derived from the use of paganus in Roman military jargon for "civilian, incompetent soldier," which Christians (Tertullian, c.202; Augustine) picked up with the military imagery of the early Church (e.g. milites "soldier of Christ," etc.). Applied to modern pantheists and nature-worshippers from 1908.
RE: Villain - c.1300, "base or low-born rustic," from Anglo-Fr. and O.Fr. villain, from M.L. villanus "farmhand," from L. villa "country house" (see villa).
"The most important phases of the sense development of this word may be summed up as follows: 'inhabitant of a farm; peasant; churl, boor; clown; miser; knave, scoundrel.' Today both Fr. vilain and Eng. villain are used only in a pejorative sense." [Klein]
Meaning "character in a novel, play, etc. whose evil motives or actions help drive the plot" is from 1822.
http://www.etymonline.com/
Richard
Reminds me of the fond memories I have of one of my favorite segments on NPR many years ago. On Words With John Ciardi (http://www.podcastdirectory.com/podcasts/34209)
HowardCohodas
02-02-2010, 07:20
Dunno, some of these newfangled brooms coming out of Broom Lake are pretty darn sophisticated these days....radar equipped and everything!:p
I not sure. Have we covered all elements the hierarchy of pilot responsibilities? :D
Aviate
Navigate
Communicate
craigepo
02-02-2010, 08:34
"HowardCohodas"
"NPR"
National People's Radio? ;)
HowardCohodas
02-02-2010, 08:38
"HowardCohodas"
"NPR"
National People's Radio? ;)
Hard to believe I used to listen to NPR quite a bit. Even contributed during fund raising drives. Not so much since my little brother, a committed liberal and my best friend, passed away. Funny thing... He introduced me to Rush Limbaugh.
Utah Bob
02-02-2010, 09:27
Hard to believe I used to listen to NPR quite a bit. Even contributed during fund raising drives. Not so much since my little brother, a committed liberal and my best friend, passed away. Funny thing... He introduced me to Rush Limbaugh.
I listen to the Car Talk guys on NPR.:D
HowardCohodas
02-02-2010, 10:44
I listen to the Car Talk guys on NPR.:D
LOL. My brother introduced my to them as well. I think that is why he was my best friend.
AngelsSix
02-02-2010, 21:19
Click and Clack? I love Car Talk, those dudes crack me up! But I am not a fan of most talk radio shows in general.
Utah Bob
02-02-2010, 22:26
Click and Clack? I love Car Talk, those dudes crack me up! But I am not a fan of most talk radio shows in general.
Yup. Especially on NPR. :D
I got a cd that has several of their shows for my birthday last year. :D:D
BoyScout
02-02-2010, 22:28
Click and Clack? I love Car Talk, those dudes crack me up! But I am not a fan of most talk radio shows in general.
Side from listening to them on occasion, I only use NPR for music. Weekend blues and the classical music station.
Scimitar
02-03-2010, 01:52
Just talked to a buddie at the Academy, she is pretty sure there ain't any Wiccans at the place, she asked around and no one knows any, perhaps it's just a political move.
The Academy actually has a surprisingly strong Christian influence, something that was complained about by that "anti religion in the Military guy" a while back.
Maybe this is just a placation by higher-up to get the political BSers off their backs so they can get back to training our future leaders.
My $0.02
S
Utah Bob
02-03-2010, 08:32
Could be just a clever ploy to get the Wiccans to come out of the closet and get them all in one spot. Then you can put salt on their tails.
Isn't that what you do to Wiccans? Or is that Chupacabras?
I could be wrong.
HowardCohodas
02-03-2010, 08:39
Could be just a clever ploy to get the Wiccans to come out of the closet and get them all in one spot. Then you can put salt on their tails.
Isn't that what you do to Wiccans? Or is that Chupacabras?
I could be wrong.
Only for the unattractive ones. :D
Now why would the USAFA want to mess with a group of ffolkes who want to be at one with nature and not force their beliefs upon everyone else like some of the other more mainstream groups they've had to deal with up there - could it be the precursor to the next great hyped-up threat to their R&D budget plans - the Hogwarts ABM (Anti-Broom Missle) or something to keep America's skies safe for Democracy at around $800M or so per copy.
I can hardly wait to see what the repeal of 'Don't ask - don't tell' brings to the DOD's on-going list of 'taskers'.*
And so it goes...:rolleyes:
Richard's jaded $.02 :munchin
*We used to refer to them as 'tuskers' because you were likely to get yourself and your career gored in attempting to carry out the damn thing.
I just want to know if whoever formed the circle asked the rocks for their permission to be moved first. Very impolite, otherwise.
Utah Bob
02-03-2010, 17:52
I can hardly wait to see what the repeal of 'Don't ask - don't tell' brings to the DOD's on-going list of 'taskers'.*
And so it goes...:rolleyes:
Perhaps an on-campus YMCA?