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SF-TX
01-28-2010, 20:36
Why is it we are not executing unlawful combatants that attempt to kill hundreds of innocent men, women and children? :confused:

FOXNews.com

January 28, 2010
Shoe Bomber Case Resurfaces, Fuels National Security Debate

Five months ago, British shoe bomber Richard Reid, who is serving a life sentence for his failed attempt in 2001 to blow up a trans-Atlantic airliner, was moved out of the isolation wing at the Supermax prison in Colorado -- prompting some conservative lawmakers to suggest that the Obama administration is making it possible for the self-proclaimed Al Qaeda terrorist to radicalize his fellow prisoners.

Five months ago, British shoe bomber Richard Reid, who is serving a life sentence for his failed attempt in 2001 to blow up a trans-Atlantic airliner, was moved out of the isolation wing at the Supermax prison in Colorado -- prompting some conservative lawmakers to suggest that the Obama administration is making it possible for the self-proclaimed Al Qaeda terrorist to radicalize his fellow prisoners.

Critics said the move was part of what they say is a troubling pattern in the administration to treat terrorists with kid gloves.

"This decision is another product of the Obama administration's alarming effort to treat terrorist killers like everyday common criminals," said Stephen Miller, a spokesman for Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee and a strong critic of the president's national security policies.

"It raises troubling questions about how terrorists like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will be treated once they too enter our civilian justice system," he said. "As Sen. Sessions has said, the Obama administration is returning America to the law enforcement approach that failed us on 9/11."

But a Justice Department scoffed at that notion, calling it "absolute nonsense."

"The career men and women of the Justice Department have prosecuted hundreds of terrorists," DOJ spokesman Dean Boyd told FoxNews.com. "This administration is committed not only to using the justice system as a counterterrorism tool, but the military tribunals ... and all tools in fighting the war on Al Qaeda."

Boyd added in a written statement that the Bureau of Prisons "houses the most dangerous international terrorists under the most restrictive conditions to ensure that they cannot influence others, gain reinforcing prestige, or use others to send or receive messages.

"There are more than 340 convicted international and domestic terrorists currently in Bureau of Prisons custody, including Richard Reid as well as those responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the 1998 attacks on U.S. embassies in Africa."

Reid's case has recaptured the spotlight following the failed bombing of a Detroit-bound airliner on Christmas Day and the debate over the Obama administration's decision to try the Nigerian suspect in the case, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, in a civilian court instead of a military tribunal.

Supporters of that policy have pointed to the Bush administration's decision to try Reid in a federal court, where he pleaded guilty in 2003 to trying to blow up a jumbo jet in late 2001 with explosives in his shoes.

Reid was placed under tight restrictions known as Special Administrative Measures (SAMs) that were renewed each year on the ground that his interactions with others posed a "substantial risk" of resulting in death or serious injury to them.

But last June Attorney General Eric Holder allowed the security directives to expire following a 2007 civil lawsuit by Reid in which he claimed that SAMs violated his First Amendment right of free speech and free exercise of religion.

He said the restrictions prevented him from practicing his Sunni Muslim faith or to learn Arabic, order books and magazines, watch television news and speak to anyone except his family and lawyers.

He was moved out of isolation in August, but he was subjected to new restrictions that barred him from writing to anyone except his immediate family and lawyer.

Mike Sullivan, the former U.S. attorney for Massachusetts who prosecuted Reid, said moving him out of isolation poses a risk.

"If he's in general population, it's not unusual that he could radicalize" others," Sullivan said. "Reid, if you look at him, he became radicalized because of contacts in the U.K. There is clear evidence that Al Qaeda uses inmates to recruit others to their radical positions."

A spokesman with the Bureau of Prisons said he could not specify whether Reid is in general population; only that his conditions have changed and he is confined at the Supermax prison.

Boyd said Reid's communications, including mail and phone calls, are monitored by prison guards and that he can interact only with individuals approved by the Bureau of Prisons. His visiting rights are limited and subject to restrictions, and he can receive news publications only after they are reviewed by authorities.

"Contrary to suggestions in the media, Reid is not allowed to freely roam the halls of Supermax," Boyd said in a written statement. "His status is closely monitored and should any of his communications or contacts pose a potential threat to persons, the Justice Department may direct the Bureau of Prisons to renew SAMs on him."

Reid told a court that he was still being prevented from studying his religion and that he worried that the special limits could be reimposed at any time.

The Justice Department argued that the court should dismiss Reid's lawsuit because the special limits had been lifted and that he must initiate a new petition to challenge the new restrictions.

On Tuesday, a judge sided with the Obama administration and rejected Reid's request for looser restrictions.

Reid can appeal the decision.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/28/obama-administrations-treatment-shoe-bomber-draws-conservative/

Richard
01-28-2010, 20:47
He's a British citizen currently serving a life sentence without parole in an American prison - it might be just a tiny bit more complicated than the MSM makes it out to be.

However...YMMV...and so it goes...

Richard's $.02 :munchin

craigepo
01-28-2010, 21:09
"I know I tried to blow some of your citizens up, but may I enjoy some of your constitutional rights, please?" More than a little distressing, a guy like this gets to use our Courts to make his stay in prison more enjoyable.

I used to handle some of these "cruel and unusual punishment" claims. Almost all were frivolous, just filed by inmates with nothing else to do. I'm sure this complaint was something along the lines of "this solitary confinement sucks, I can't practice my religion, guaranteed by the 1st Amendment, which is cruel and unusual, violation of the 8th Amendment" blah blah.

IMO, when you hear the banter "tort reform", it is usually just banter. However, if the average citizen saw how many federal civil rights lawsuits were filed per year by inmates, they would rightfully scream. Especially when filed by a convicted terrorist.

Sigaba
01-28-2010, 21:41
It seems the editors at Fox News did not look into its own digital morgue when they reviewed the story in the OP.
Five months ago, British shoe bomber Richard Reid, who is serving a life sentence for his failed attempt in 2001 to blow up a trans-Atlantic airliner, was moved out of the isolation wing at the Supermax prison in Colorado -- prompting some conservative lawmakers to suggest that the Obama administration is making it possible for the self-proclaimed Al Qaeda terrorist to radicalize his fellow prisoners.

<<SNIP>>

A spokesman with the Bureau of Prisons said he could not specify whether Reid is in general population; only that his conditions have changed and he is confined at the Supermax prison. In 2006, Fox was more precise in its discussion of the different holding areas at this facility. Source is here (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,194306,00.html).Fast Facts: Supermax Prison

Thursday , May 04, 2006

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The following are some details about the United States "Supermax" Penitentiary in Florence, Colorado, where convicted terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui is expected to serve his life sentence:

— ADX is short for The United States Penitentiary, Administrative Maximum

— The ADX is one of four federal prisons in Florence, Colorado

— Florence donated the land for the prisons to the US government in 1990

— ADX employs a staff of 347 people

— ADX contains beds for 490 inmates

— ADX currently houses 404 inmates

— ADX was constructed in 1994 for $60 million

— ADX has had no escapes or serious attempts to escape

— ADX houses less than one-third of one percent of the federal inmate population

— Only five percent of ADX inmates enter directly from their court sentencing

— 95 percent of ADX's inmates are transferred there from another prison

— Inmates are divided into the general population, the High Security unit, or Control Unit

— The control unit holds the most dangerous and disruptive inmates in the Federal Prison system

— Cells range from 77 to 87 square feet in size

— Each cell contains a bed, shower, sink, toilet, metal mirror, and television/radio

— All outgoing and incoming mail as well as telephone calls are monitored

— Immediate family members, attorneys and boyfriends or girlfriends of the inmates may visit inmates

— Educational and recreational programs are played on inmates' televisions via a closed circuit system

Source: Federal Bureau of PrisonsNote: there is a third option for Mr. Reid's confinement that today's article does not mention. And, according to Fox's own reporting, Mr. Reid will have very limited viewing choices and much of his communication will be closely monitored. (And what of the unmentioned possibility that all of Mr. Reid's visitors will receive close attention?)

ABN307
01-29-2010, 09:12
I worked at the Federal Penitentiary in Terre Haute, In. a few years back. The inmates often dealt out their own kind of justice, usually against rapers, child molesters etc.. This guy will more than likely be held in high regard in the Prison system. As most of you already know, the prison system is a breeding and recruiting ground for muslim wanna-be's!

dadof18x'er
01-30-2011, 09:28
"I know I tried to blow some of your citizens up, but may I enjoy some of your constitutional rights, please?" More than a little distressing, a guy like this gets to use our Courts to make his stay in prison more enjoyable.

I used to handle some of these "cruel and unusual punishment" claims. Almost all were frivolous, just filed by inmates with nothing else to do. I'm sure this complaint was something along the lines of "this solitary confinement sucks, I can't practice my religion, guaranteed by the 1st Amendment, which is cruel and unusual, violation of the 8th Amendment" blah blah.

IMO, when you hear the banter "tort reform", it is usually just banter. However, if the average citizen saw how many federal civil rights lawsuits were filed per year by inmates, they would rightfully scream. Especially when filed by a convicted terrorist.

I love Judge Young's statement at Reid's sentencing...

"Let me explain this to you.

"We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid.

"We are Americans. We have been through the fire before.

"There is all too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect.

"Here in this court, we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals.

"As human beings, we reach out for justice.

"You are not an enemy combatant.

"You are a terrorist.

"You are not a soldier in any war.

"You are a terrorist.

"To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature.

"Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or if you think you are a soldier.

"You are not--you are a terrorist.

"And we do not negotiate with terrorists.

"We do not meet with terrorists.

"We do not sign documents with terrorists.

"We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.

"So war talk is way out of line in this court.

"You are a big fellow.

"But you are not that big.

"You're no warrior.

"I've known warriors.

"You are a terrorist.

"A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple attempted murders.

"In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and where the TV crews were, and he said: `You're no big deal.'

"You are no big deal.

"What your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific.

"What was it that led you here to this courtroom today?

"I have listened respectfully to what you have to say.

"And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing.

"And I have an answer for you.

"It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.

"It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious.

"You hate our freedom.

"Our individual freedom.

"Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose.

"Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom.

"It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea.

"It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom.

"So that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely.

"It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf and have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other judges.

"We Americans are all about freedom.

"Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties.

"Make no mistake though.

"It is yet true that we will bear any burden; pay any price, to preserve our freedoms.

"Look around this courtroom. Mark it well.

"The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here.

"Day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure.

"Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America, the American people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done.

"The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.

"See that flag, Mr. Reid?

"That's the flag of the United States of America.

"That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten.

"That flag stands for freedom. And it always will.

"Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down."

http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/group/oregon/forum/topics/judge-william-young-sentencing?xg_source=activity