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GrumbleandGrunt
01-24-2010, 20:01
http://range37.com/facilities.html
I went here this afternoon and had a good time. Its worth the drive north of Spring Lake.
I shot here last weekend. Good place, owners seem real nice, facility pretty decent. Price is a little steep but they did offer a discount to my wife, and my buddy's wife who were with us shooting (group military discount)
I was happy to see someone out on the range actively being range control. To many times I have been at a range where the unexperienced are not instructed enough and are potential hazards.
longrange1947
01-24-2010, 20:55
OK, the name of the range really pisses me off. That is the name of a well respected military range and training compound on Fort Bragg and it was stolen for that respect to be conferred on the civilian range. In the civilian world that range would be sued into non existence. I am sure, if anyone else tries using the name the dweeb from Spring Lake/Lillington will sue.
I would not spend a dime at that place until the name changes.
If the owner does not like my bad mouthing it, he can come to the real Range 37 and talk to me face to face. There are a great number of people there that would love to talk to him face to face. :munchin :mad:
Peregrino
01-24-2010, 21:16
I would not spend a dime at that place until the name changes.
:munchin :mad:
Concur completely. For all of the same reasons. And I know a number of other QPs who feel similarly. Talk about "borrowed glory".
The Reaper
01-24-2010, 21:24
Concur with LR and Peregrino.
Anyone running a Range 19 on the civilian side?
TR
And on that note I will not be shooting there again anytime soon. Didn't know the owner had not ok'd the name with the community.
I went there before it was renamed Rng-37. I could be wrong but I think one of the owners/operators now is a guy named FM...
I thought the old name was pretty decent. Dont know why they changed it.
Hm...
My understanding is that the owner (maybe part owner) was/is part of the community. And yes Billy, FM is the name I got from a former team leader in the same company as him.
I agree with all above, a little unoriginal and shitty.
Used to be the Range 1 complex FWIW.
Sinister
01-25-2010, 22:27
Wasn't the old name "Range 1"?
RichL025
01-25-2010, 22:42
The guy who owned Range 1 ten or so years ago (last time I was around) was in the community, and if I recall correctly, used to be cadre at the REAL range 37. For some odd reason, a few weeks ago, I googled Range 1 and saw that he had sold the range to someone else - I guess that someone else is who changed the name.
Edited to add: don't know how long this link will work for. Pete at least seemed to think this guy had the bona fides http://www.range-1.com/welcome.htm
BravoAlpha
01-25-2010, 23:45
I frequent Range 37 and have never had a bad experience. There's rarely an employee out there controlling the range, which I actually prefer. They offer some good courses as well, some of which are taught by an ex SFARTIC instructor.
It's seemed to be that it's a popular public range for a handful of Q Course instructors.
Until this thread I was unaware that it's name was stolen from an actual military range. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
Until this thread I was unaware that it's name was stolen from an actual military range. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
People do things. Had they asked the "Army" about their naming a range of private property, the Army would most likely have said, 'unless a law has been broken, or you are interferring with Govt. property, we care little what you do'. It's unlikely the Army would have said anything. A local gun store named their business ATF, (which for them stood for Alcohol - Tobacco - Firearms). They called the real ATF and asked permission. No surprise, the ATF, said, "Go for it, we care less. What are you selling .45 ACP in a 230 FMJ?"
For these guys, asking would have been a nice jesture given the location, significance and potential.
As for the ATF gun store, a sign in the window said, "for sale, one carton of Winston Salem Lights, Menthol, $900, and get a free Weatherby". Having it super-sized meant a scope was included.
longrange1947
01-26-2010, 16:32
Wet Dog - The guys at the real range 37 is not amused and we most certainly would have not said "go for it".
There is also more "history" here.
AngelsSix
01-26-2010, 16:54
I had gone over to the range when it was Range 1, and did enjoy my time there doing a couple of pistol comps. Problem was, it was too much to drive out there from the 'Hurst, so I rarely went. I found out that the place was for sale from the range's site. I almost bought it myself....been wanting to do that forever. Now I am kicking myself in the ass for not doing it.....
Wet Dog - The guys at the real range 37 is not amused and we most certainly would have not said "go for it".
There is also more "history" here.
LR - I understand completely, however, but what does it all mean? I interrupt the fact that "they" have no originality in coming up with a name for themselves.
It would be equivalent to someone opening a hamburger stand with the name, "Area 51", because the taste was out of this world.
longrange1947
01-26-2010, 20:21
Because area 51 doesn't sell hamburgers.
However, Range 37 does train SFAR and SFSC(SOTIC). Bad reps from one effects the other. So does personalities. :munchin
Then we have to admit there are sheepeole in Fayetteville who don't see the analogy, and should boycott the venue out of personal integrity.
Personally, "Bob's Shooting Range" works for most folks.
GrumbleandGrunt
01-27-2010, 16:59
Then we have to admit there are sheepeole in Fayetteville who don't see the analogy, and should boycott the venue out of personal integrity.
Personally, "Bob's Shooting Range" works for most folks.
Didn't even think of it when I went there. Anybody tried calling the owner out on it?
http://www.nascar.com/2009/news/opinion/01/14/inside.line.dcaraviello.rnewman.fort.bragg/index.html
Richard
longrange1947
01-27-2010, 21:35
That is the real Range 37 and it is becoming Disneyland. :munchin :(
What range do you guys recommend around the Ft. Bragg area that goes out to 100 yards. I am new to the area and want to shoot my rifles.
This seemed to be the only range around here.
Chuck
What range do you guys recommend around the Ft. Bragg area that goes out to 100 yards. I am new to the area and want to shoot my rifles.
This seemed to be the only range around here.
Chuck
Chucky V - give the guys at Grey Group (http://greygrouptraining.com/) a shout. They run some classes around the Ft Bragg area and may be able to give you some direction.
The Reaper
02-11-2010, 18:01
McKellars.
TR
McKellars.
TR
However they will not let my son shoot there. I gave him the choice for his 7th Birthday, Playstation 3, or a rifle (I was given my first rifle 1983 when I was 7 ) he chose a rifle. So i bought him a matched set Rossi 22lr / 410 combo, single shot of course, and now I can't find a place for him to shoot, because of his age.
Any other ranges out there that I can call??? Any help would be greatly appreciated. The ranges on google are range 37. Thxs Cobra.
However they will not let my son shoot there......
Didn't know there was an age limit at MacKellars. Short round was 9 when she started shooting there. The first time we went they did ask if she had shot before. It was just me and her - one on one.
OK, the name of the range really pisses me off. That is the name of a well respected military range and training compound on Fort Bragg and it was stolen for that respect to be conferred on the civilian range. In the civilian world that range would be sued into non existence. I am sure, if anyone else tries using the name the dweeb from Spring Lake/Lillington will sue.
I would not spend a dime at that place until the name changes.
If the owner does not like my bad mouthing it, he can come to the real Range 37 and talk to me face to face. There are a great number of people there that would love to talk to him face to face. :munchin :mad:
That was my first thought. They are trying to make Money off the Sweat and hard work of others. I don't even know them but here is a big FUCK YOU to them and their Range 37 Name. I'm pissed.
I frequent Range 37 and have never had a bad experience. There's rarely an employee out there controlling the range, which I actually prefer. They offer some good courses as well, some of which are taught by an ex SFARTIC instructor.
It's seemed to be that it's a popular public range for a handful of Q Course instructors.
Until this thread I was unaware that it's name was stolen from an actual military range. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
Doesn't matter if an ex SFARTIC Instructor is working there. They are using a name knowing people will link it to an institution. If I market a piece of Gear. I won't call it Special Forces Gear just because I was in Special Forces.
Dragbag036
02-19-2010, 17:29
Doesn't matter if an ex SFARTIC Instructor is working there. They are using a name knowing people will link it to an institution. If I market a piece of Gear. I won't call it Special Forces Gear just because I was in Special Forces.
Special Forces Beret Shaping Kit 7.99
includes: (1) .25 cent razor
(1) list of instructions
(1) picture of what you can look like using this product
(1) SF Soldier sold separately
I agree, the guys that work there bust their ass to put out the product. Get frickin original.
my .02 cents (Ex-Range 37 Instructor)
longrange1947
02-20-2010, 08:06
Special Forces Beret Shaping Kit 7.99
includes: (1) .25 cent razor
(1) list of instructions
(1) picture of what you can look like using this product
(1) SF Soldier sold separately
I agree, the guys that work there bust their ass to put out the product. Get frickin original.
my .02 cents (Ex-Range 37 Instructor)
That's ex REAL Range 37 instructor. :D
What you been up to brother?
Dragbag036
02-20-2010, 17:46
That's ex REAL Range 37 instructor. :D
What you been up to brother?
Nothing much, just trying to soak up all the knowledge I can. On the road often so I'm spending time with the frau. With all the snow we had, I was able to get some good quality time in ;).
Hows the Real Range 37 doing? I had a chance to get some shooting in a couple of weeks ago. Not with a long gun though. I fear my skills are getting rusty. I may need to come down there and hide out for a bit :D
D
What a crock of S**t.
Though I did notice that they stock Spartan Blades in the Pro Shop. Perhaps a word with the president of Spartan Blades (also Real former Range 37 Instructor) is needed.
though I do commend the fact that they have additional discounts for Wounded Warriors and Gold Star Families.
Green Light
03-29-2010, 17:12
While I was at SWC Range 37 was still a work in progress. My boss and I (from the DOTD) went out there from time to time. If folks weren't teaching, they were either building or repairing. Those guys put their hearts into it to make it what it became: the premier training area of its kind. I've gotta say that using that name is at least cheesy. But in reality, it's using the reputation of others to make a buck.
Bad form.
All-American capitalism in action - no more, no less.
And so it goes...
Richard's jaded $.02 :munchin
frostfire
03-06-2011, 13:15
In fairness, the actual name is 37PSR and Gun Club. The website name and how people refers to it are the touchy items.
I went there for a match. It was professionally run, complete with healthy dose of dry humor and sarcasms. The RO told you the mistakes made and gave you pointers, both technical and tactical . IMHO, $15 for these and three courses of fire to include a shoothouse is an absolute steal! I've never seen anything less than $25, and there wasn't much "creativity" involved in staging the course. Also, the advices and demo made it more like a tactical class.
Being no HSLD type, I went armed only with solid fundamentals and some drills rehearsed to circus stunt level. Naturally, the shooting skills stage is where I excelled. I ran it conservatively with no misses. Seeing that my shot groups were so close that one of them is barely 1 hole, I ran them again after the match. Got to 7 seconds territory at modified el-prez, and 1.21 territory at the 1-shot quick draw from thigh holster. Master Gene Econ "go to s*it" IAD is the rule of the day here: Train your eyes to see, and your fingers to move. It's one shot so even if your grip is crappy, you're not concerned with follow-up shot. Perfect sight alignment --> acceptable sight picture --> squeeze.
The RO showed me what TS wrote once about competition shooters (gamers) approaching target in a manner that will get them killed. I was DRT (dead right there) in the open course. Next, I was already a fish outside water in the shoothouse, being used to understanding the course, mentally rehearse it, dry run it, set ammo-count, reload point etc. In other words, gaming it to gain as much time, movement, angle, ammo, and position advantage as possible. Without preset path and known targets number/location, one has to make decision and change plan/stance/movement accordingly. Needless to say, I was DRT again :D
So follow your conviction/conscience as far as the name goes. If you're GTG, show up early, be able to laugh at yourself, take advice and thank the giver even if you already know (and teach) that very same advice, don't worry about others performance, deep breath/relax and paste targets between your run, and as master Rick said, have fun.
MK262MOD1
03-06-2011, 17:22
In all fairness they knew better than to use that name.
They have heard it from everyone in the community and they don't care. Its an affront.
I wont shoot there.