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AngelsSix
01-22-2010, 19:13
Ron Paul: After ‘CIA coup,’ agency ‘runs military’
By Raw Story
Wednesday, January 20th, 2010 -- 6:10 pm
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US House Rep. Ron Paul says the CIA has in effect carried out a "coup" against the US government, and the intelligence agency needs to be "taken out."
Speaking to an audience of like-minded libertarians at a Campaign for Liberty regional conference in Atlanta this past weekend, the Texas Republican said:
There's been a coup, have you heard? It's the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They're the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries. ... And of course the CIA is every bit as secretive as the Federal Reserve. ... And yet think of the harm they have done since they were established [after] World War II. They are a government unto themselves. They're in businesses, in drug businesses, they take out dictators ... We need to take out the CIA.
Paul's comments, made last weekend, were met with a loud round of applause, but they didn't gather attention until bloggers noticed a clip of the event at YouTube.
Paul appeared to be referring to news reports that the CIA is deeply involved in air strikes against Al Qaeda targets in Afghanistan and Pakistan. A suicide bombing late last year against Forward Operating Base Chapman in Afghanistan took the lives of seven of CIA operatives, including two contracted from Blackwater. The event highlighted the CIA's deep involvement in the war effort.
Paul's reference to the CIA being "in the drug business" refers to long-running allegations that the CIA has funded some of its covert operations with proceeds from drug-running. That claim was most famously made in a 1996 investigative report from the San Jose Mercury-News, which alleged that cocaine from the Contra-Sandinista civil war in Nicaragua was making its way to the streets of L.A. via the CIA.
armymom1228
01-22-2010, 20:16
Ron Paul has a mind?
The CIA runs everythingThat explains the economy...oops...was that my outside voice?:rolleyes::D
rubberneck
01-23-2010, 09:43
I am shocked and saddened to learn that the CIA is deeply involved in the GWOT. I don't know what I would have done if Paul had claimed that the OSS played an important role in fighting the Nazi's. The CIA could learn a thing or two from the reluctance of the OSS to get their hands dirty.:rolleyes:
I can't be at odds with dear Mr Paul... The man has obviously been fitted with his own tin-foil hat and for that I bow to him!
Dont be shy Mr Paul, wear your hat with pride!
And so it goes...;)
Richard
.......Speaking to an audience of like-minded libertarians ..............
And that is their problem.
The man has obviously been fitted with his own tin-foil hat and for that I bow to him! Dont be shy Mr Paul, wear your hat with pride!After all, it's all about the hat...:rolleyes:
x SF med
01-23-2010, 11:47
The Ramones sum up Mr. Paul's state very succintly in the song Teenage Lobotomy:
...Guess I hafta break the news
That I got no mind to lose...
...Guess I'm gonna hafta tell 'em
That I got no cerebellum...
Sometimes Paul makes sense like Audit the Fed, but more and more he treads into the mystical world of AJ.
rltipton
01-23-2010, 12:43
Paul is a crackpot about a lot of stuff, but on some issues he is dead on the money. I subscribe to his newsletter because he is my Representative, but I can rarely stand to read it. I voted for him, but as has been typical with every voting experience since I turned 18 it was a case of voting for the lesser of two evils. I will be happy in my lifetime to just one time vote for someone I believe truly represents my beliefs.
Team Sergeant
01-23-2010, 14:24
Paul is a crackpot about a lot of stuff, but on some issues he is dead on the money.
A guy has a flat in front of an insane asylum. While he fixing that flat a "patient" of the asylum has been watching him. The guy removes the lug nuts and places them in his hubcap. He pulls the bad tire and replaces it with the spare. As he reaches for the lug nuts he spills them into the sewer drain. Now obviously distraught he bows his head wondering what to do. Just then the "patient" speaks up.....
"If you take one lug nut off each tire and use them to replace the lost ones you will be able to drive slowly to a repair station to purchase news one."
The guy replies, "That's brillant, why the hell are you in an insane asylum???"
The patient replies:
" I may be crazy but I ain't stupid".
Ron Paul may not be stupid, but he is a f***ing lunatic.
Utah Bob
01-23-2010, 19:15
Has Ron Paul lost his mind?
Yes.
TOMAHAWK9521
01-23-2010, 19:38
Ron Paul is a looney-toon. He is a part of the ultra-right libertarians that are into conspiracy theories and wear tinfoil hats, for example, the kind that believe the Federal Reserve is a secret Jewish banking cartel that secretly rules the world and creates the wars in the world and is hellbent on creating a one-world government. And of course it is connected with the other groups that secretly rule the planet such as the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Illuminati, and so forth, all of them hellbent on creating the dreaded New World Order with one world government:rolleyes:
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Don't forget the Pentagriten :D:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPMS6tGOACo
incommin
01-24-2010, 12:41
What would our country be like if we could take out all those on the far left and the far right?
Team Sergeant
01-24-2010, 12:45
What would our country be like if we could take out all those on the far left and the far right?
We could call it "America" again.;)
dr. mabuse
01-24-2010, 13:27
TS is on a roll!:munchin
I will be happy in my lifetime to just one time vote for someone I believe truly represents my beliefs.
I did, my first, Ronald Reagan in 1984.
Been looking for another ever since.
WD
ChickenMcFuggit
01-24-2010, 15:19
I voted for him, but as has been typical with every voting experience since I turned 18 it was a case of voting for the lesser of two evils. I will be happy in my lifetime to just one time vote for someone I believe truly represents my beliefs.
Just came to mind with your entry and I feel your pain in that regard.
GratefulCitizen
01-24-2010, 16:19
Don't see placement on the political spectrum (whether it be 1, 2, or more "dimensions"; left/right, up/down, etc.) as the problem.
The problem is with how these people, of whatever stripe, relate to reality.
Most of them will have some variation on a conspiracy.
Right-wingers tend towards the black helicopter thingy.
Left-wingers assume all forms of malfeasance and evil in all who would oppose them.
In both cases, it's a victim mentality.
Someone else is responsible for their problems and difficulties. :rolleyes:
This provides them with an excuse for why reality doesn't match up with their expectations.
It's nothing more than varying degrees of narcissism toward a world that won't "give" them what they want.
Don't know what to tell them.
Life's not fair -- so what?
Only one way to handle an "unfair" reality:
Cowboy the f*** up and deal with it. :lifter
AngelsSix
01-24-2010, 19:49
Don't see placement on the political spectrum (whether it be 1, 2, or more "dimensions"; left/right, up/down, etc.) as the problem.
The problem is with how these people, of whatever stripe, relate to reality.
Most of them will have some variation on a conspiracy.
Right-wingers tend towards the black helicopter thingy.
Left-wingers assume all forms of malfeasance and evil in all who would oppose them.
In both cases, it's a victim mentality.
Someone else is responsible for their problems and difficulties. :rolleyes:
This provides them with an excuse for why reality doesn't match up with their expectations.
It's nothing more than varying degrees of narcissism toward a world that won't "give" them what they want.
Don't know what to tell them.
Life's not fair -- so what?
Only one way to handle an "unfair" reality:
Cowboy the f*** up and deal with it. :lifter
You know what? That is the most intelligent thing I have read all week. If everyone thought like that and we started making people feel the pain of their stupidity and dumb decisions, the world would be so much better, IMO.:lifter
GratefulCitizen
01-26-2010, 21:39
You know what? That is the most intelligent thing I have read all week. If everyone thought like that and we started making people feel the pain of their stupidity and dumb decisions, the world would be so much better, IMO.:lifter
*****
Not an easy thing to do when it involves those you love.
Had to take a hard line with my oldest for four years.
He came around eventually, but he still will reap what he has sown.
Took the hard line with my best friend after high school.
He didn't come around. Still in the bottle. :(
*****
People sometimes support certain political ideas because it makes them feel good about "caring" or gives them excuses for their failures.
This is a selfish attitude.
Participation in our political system (voting) requires thinking like a leader.
Hard decisions must be made.
If someone doesn't have the spine to make a hard decision, they shouldn't vote.
6.8SPC_DUMP
01-26-2010, 21:43
I am of the humble opinion that labeling someone a "tinfoil-hatter" has the potential of avoidance in dealing with the problematic realities which that person's stance is being mocked over.
This is obviously a forum where esteemed members are informed on the subject matter of Dr. Paul's comment. IMHO it would be a waste to dismiss all of Ron Paul's various POVs out of hand because you don't agree with this one. Reminds me of a quote I try to follow: "Those who do not know their opponent's arguments do not completely understand their own".
Ross Perot comes to mind as some what comparable; even if you wouldn't want him in the WH, you may appreciate his passion on the issue of NAFTA (http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Ross_Perot_Free_Trade.htm)
Don't see placement on the political spectrum (whether it be 1, 2, or more "dimensions"; left/right, up/down, etc.) as the problem.
The problem is with how these people, of whatever stripe, relate to reality.
Most of them will have some variation on a conspiracy.
Right-wingers tend towards the black helicopter thingy.
Left-wingers assume all forms of malfeasance and evil in all who would oppose them.
In both cases, it's a victim mentality.
Someone else is responsible for their problems and difficulties. :rolleyes:
This provides them with an excuse for why reality doesn't match up with their expectations.
It's nothing more than varying degrees of narcissism toward a world that won't "give" them what they want.
Don't know what to tell them.
Life's not fair -- so what?
Only one way to handle an "unfair" reality:
Cowboy the f*** up and deal with it. :lifter
I might be writing the dumbest thing AngelsSix has read all week :) - but I have to disagree with you on this one GC.
I don't think presidential candidates misrepresenting themselves' while campaigning is something that Americans should come to except, then having delusions of selfless service for the greater good. The only argument for our inherent servitude to politicians, that crosses my mind, is that we are undeserving of this knowledge and misrepresentation is necessary for our own good. I'm painting with a broad stroke, but that is not my idea of a Representative Democracy; particularly when our elected representatives have had limited involvement in some of the biggest bills being passed and feel a good number of us are potential terrorists.
Bush 43 was revered by many for his low taxes. But tax hikes aren't an issue if you turn to a debt based printing press for pumping cash to which the public is not privy of the world-wide amount. Also, whether W knew it or not, the fact is that one of his last acts as Pres. (the bailouts) was the biggest tax in US history and the transformation to a fascist country in some people's minds.
And for supporters of BHO: Where is the out-rage over too many broken promises to recall: Bi-partisan outreach, transparency like televised health care negotiations, putting bills online, curbing the bailouts, a net reduction in spending, banning earmarks, his war plans, no mandatory health-care coverage or increase of it’s cost, middle class tax breaks, ect.???
I feel don't like this political climate, where both sides of the isle don't pursue their initial campaigning rhetoric and the result is most loyal party members becoming more antagonistic towards their counterparts. Mean while, swing voters routinely flock to the sweeter sounding melody, having been disappointed by the past parties' reign.
I believe if the base of both parties don't acknowledge shortcomings and hold the Reps accountable (opting instead to focus on the other parties deficiencies) fundamental problems will snowball.
I have a great deal of respect for Ron Paul for being strait forward and consistent in his message because these are the grounds on which a voter can make an informed decision. Here is a brief bio if anyone is interested Link (http://www.whorunsgov.com/Profiles/Ron_Paul)
Dr. Paul chose to run for political office based on the dollar being taken off the gold standard and knew (as the fed did also) that it would lead to inflation and likely the eventual loss of reserve currency status. Paul has been relentless in his efforts reform spending but the genie is out of the bottle.
U.S. Comptroller General David M. Walker put it well in 2003 as he warned that just the interest on the debt will soon be more than the taxpayers can afford to pay.
“We cannot simply grow our way out of [the national debt]. . . . The ultimate alternatives to definitive and timely action are not only unattractive, they are arguably infeasible. Specifically, raising taxes to levels far in excess of what the American people have ever supported before, cutting total spending by unthinkable amounts, or further mortgaging the future of our children and grandchildren to an extent that our economy, our competitive posture and the quality of life for Americans would be seriously threatened.” (National Press Club)
I wonder what America would look like today if some of the topics “odd-ball” politicians like Ross Perot and Ron Paul are passionate about were more widely discussed and engaged by the American public and their representatives.
Just my .000000002 YMMV
GratefulCitizen
01-26-2010, 22:16
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I might be writing the dumbest thing AngelsSix has read all week :) - but I have to disagree with you on this one GC.
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I wonder what America would look like today if some of the topics “odd-ball” politicians like Ross Perot and Ron Paul are passionate about were more widely discussed and engaged by the American public and their representatives.
Just my .000000002 YMMV
FWIW, I voted for Perot.
I agree with Ron Paul on many issues.
My political leanings are libertarian...beyond the comfort level of many.
My post addressed the attitudes of some (many, really) individuals, not their political beliefs.
They undermine their own causes when they use narcissistic reasoning.
Concerning some right-wingers: it's not about them.
The government is not out to get them, they aren't that important.
Concerning some left-wingers: it's not about them.
People opposing their agenda aren't out to get them, they aren't that important.
It's about leaving posterity with a better nation than we were given.
People on all sides can have honest disagreement about the methods to achieve this goal.
When groups or individuals, of whatever political persuasion, make the issue about themselves (victim mentality is evidence of this),
they become anathema to the goal of leaving an improved nation to posterity.
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Just got done re-reading my post.
6.8SPC_DUMP: I didn't mean anything by including the "dumbest thing all week".
Just did some quick snips before responding.
I apologize for any offense. :o
Ron Paul is a looney-toon. He is a part of the ultra-right libertarians that are into conspiracy theories and wear tinfoil hats, for example, the kind that believe the Federal Reserve is a secret Jewish banking cartel that secretly rules the world and creates the wars in the world and is hellbent on creating a one-world government. And of course it is connected with the other groups that secretly rule the planet such as the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Illuminati, and so forth, all of them hellbent on creating the dreaded New World Order with one world government:rolleyes:
I friend of mine said her friend once started talking about this, she said to her: "No, the reality is worse. There's no one in charge!":cool:
And I'm not saying all libertarians are the tinfoil hat types, but there is a portion of them that are (the ones at the Cato Institute are not, the ones over at the Ludwig von Mises Institute tend to be).
Paul had his picture taken with the founder of Stormfront (a white power website) Don Black, and his campaign took money from them too.
He has been after the Federal Reserve for decades, now he wants the CIA (notice both of these organizations are ripe for conspiracy theorists).
It's not interesting that the media jumped on that story so quickly (CNN)? That "Don Black" contributed to his campaign out of 100,000’s of contributions, they found ole’ Don Black’s campaign contribution. Like they’re supposed to do back ground investigations on all donors! Everybody in D.C. knows you can’t buy Paul’s influence, even the lobbyist don’t waste their time. It’s really a non issue, if someone donates money to your campaign, then they must support your platform, not “you” supporting what they do in their private life. That was the point; he wasn’t going to let the media dictate his campaign. It was a smear tactic, politics 101, the special interest playing the race card to discredit someone who doesn’t support the status quo. Another bozo white supremacist leader and talk radio show host, Hal Turner, was actually working for the FBI for many years as an informant and agent provocateur. Making radio broadcast about murdering Jews, public officials and federal judges, trying to get his followers to commit these crimes, so the government could demonize whitey. Yes, instead of preventing and solving crimes, they tried to provoke people through hate and fear mongering to commit serious crimes. So, who is Don Black working for? Let’s not forget that “whitey” is now joining for Al Qaeda for the big fight. Yep, you’re going to hear more and more about blond hair blue eyed American boys joining Al Qaeda from our lovely mass media. It’s already in play, 1 +1= 5 , and if you don’t believe it, you’re going down.
CNN, parading Hal Turner, fear the federally funded boogie man!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XED_rzWNTKo
http://rawstory.com/2009/2009/11/report-fbi-viewed-ultraright-radio-informant-turner-irreplaceable/
Is it a coincidence that Constitutionalist are now mixed in with white supremacist according to the ADL/ SPLC? :confused:
Team Sergeant
01-27-2010, 09:11
We're done with Ron Paul on this website. Please feel free to discuss Dr. Paul somewhere else.
This thread is closed.
Team Sergeant