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Barn Owl
01-19-2010, 09:23
Gentlemen,

Currently in Language Phase, working marksmanship and transition drills during down time. I am learning from a fairly proficient 3-gun shooter but his vest is too slick. He sets his gear up without regard for radio, med-pouch, and all the other things I have on mine right now.

Been looking at the OIF / OEF loadouts posted by QPs on this board. What I have gathered so far:

Pistol - strong side hip carry, on a belt extender to clear below body armor.

Rifle Mags - Multiple options here, looking for input. Seems like everyone runs 5-6 mags on their vest, either weak side, flat against the body, or center chest, flat against the body.

Pistol Mags - Again, looking for input. I've found weak-side, layered on top of rifle mags, weak side above rifle mags, weak side belt carry, and center-chest above rifle mags. I am leaning towards half on the belt, half on the vest, so as to always have pistol mags available.

Med Pouch - Unit SOP, but ... seems like a choice between hard to access (in a plate pouch, or way to the rear on right side) or in the way (below arm on strong side). I would like to be able to reach my own tourniquet / field dressing.

Radio Pouch - Always liked the MBITR weak side, so knobs could be operated by weak hand without lowering M4. With the mags weak side that could be a prob. Center chest interferes with prone. Suggestions?

Holsters - Currently running a Caspian 1911 in a Safariland 6004 holster or a Beretta 92F in a BI SERPA, which needs replacement. Have looked at other Safariland belt holsters and Blade Tech, not sure which way to go.

Thanks for reading.

Respectfully,

Barn Owl

turboprop
01-19-2010, 20:06
Sir,

Like a lot of responses to questions on here my answer would be to focus on the near term. Once you get to your team you will be squared away with the kit you need and hopefully some good examples of how to run it. That being said, as a new Team Leader you aren't going to be turning any heads with how sweet your gear is set up anyway. If you have your own plate carrier you will likely find yourself wearing an issued one anyway, so wait till you get one. If your question was just to facilitate the training you are doing on your own, than you can probably still afford to hold off. If you show up with a good grasp of the fundamentals you will be ready to train. New guys that run into problems usually have issues with marksmanship fundamentals and not switching from slick to kit or adapting to some new technique. Hopefully my response was not too rambling to get the point across, don't worry about it.

Respectfully,

Turboprop

C0B2A
01-19-2010, 20:53
I think you are on the right track with training in your off time on the important stuff.
Here is a picture of my personal chest rig (since I am not about to go drop a few grand right now on personal owned body armor) I train with and also used at SAGE. It is set up just like how my kit was in country just without the armor. As you can see on the belt I have 2 fast mags and a dump pouch. I like the ability to quickly reload from my side instead of trying to fumble under stress trying to get a mag out of a center pouch. Its do-able just not as smooth.
a quick rundown of what is there from left to right:
Paraclete General purpose pouch
Paraclete medical pouch
ATS general purpose pouch
Paraclete smoke pouch
2x Paraclete pistol mag pouch
Mayflower PRC-148 pouch
gurber w/ issued pouch
It is a modified ATS chest rig w/ 4 internal m4 mag slots fast linked to a HSGI hydration pouch.
On the back of the hydration pouch is a Tactical Tailor E&E pouch.
On the belt is 2 fast mags
EGL loppy
Comp-Tac paddle holster w/ Glock 19
(on a full plate system I have a EGL Fugly 3 admin pouch that sits above the mags)


I also would be interested in how some people run there kit here. Everyone has there own technique... some are better than others.

testedone
01-19-2010, 20:57
I think you are on the right track with training in your off time on the important stuff.
Here is a picture of my personal chest rig (since I am not about to go drop a few grand right now on personal owned body armor) I train with and also used at SAGE. It is set up just like how my kit was in country just without the armor. As you can see on the belt I have 2 fast mags and a dump pouch. I like the ability to quickly reload from my side instead of trying to fumble under stress trying to get a mag out of a center pouch. Its do-able just not as smooth.


I also would be interested in how some people run there kit here. Everyone has there own technique... some are better than others.

Is that an ESSTAC setup?

Barn Owl
01-19-2010, 21:41
Turboprop,

Thanks for the near-target reminder. I'm not looking to turn heads or impress anyone ... just want good habits.

C0B2A,

Thanks for the setup pic. Never used those fast mags before. Do the mags stay in there pretty well?

v/r

Barn Owl

C0B2A
01-19-2010, 21:55
There is a hilarious video on youtube of milspec monkey testing how well a full mag will stay in the fast mag. Go check it out.

18C4V
01-19-2010, 23:43
Sir,
SFAUC, shooting package or range time with your ODA will get you up to speed. I'm breaking in a new Team Leader myself, and we just went to a shooting package with VTAC.

Just remember your a enabler so be prepared to carry two PRC-148's and a pouch on the back for maybe Sat on the move. A good admin pouch on the front or quarterback panel so you can write your slant reports, carry maps, GOS/GRG, etc

Last trip, my old TL didn't fire his M-4 or M-9 once, but he sure used his initals for danger close for CAS a heck of alot of times along with our CCT/JTAC.

Diffferent teams do things differently as to what their TL's carry, so take things with a grain of salt.

Barn Owl
01-20-2010, 10:02
18C4V,

Thanks. Exactly what I was looking for. Wilco.

v/r

Barn Owl

Kingfisher
01-22-2010, 06:35
IMO it is not only nice to be able to reach you tourniquet it is a must. You better be able to reach it with ease, with both hands, and be able to apply it with one.

Barn Owl
01-22-2010, 10:47
Kingfisher,

I completely agree. As a Delta, where do you like to see the med pouch?

v/r

Barn Owl

Surgicalcric
01-22-2010, 15:12
Kingfisher,

I completely agree. As a Delta, where do you like to see the med pouch?

To add to my Brother's TQ advice, the 2-is-1 and 1-is-none adage applies.

My guys carry their TQ's mounted on the front of their armor somewhere accessible easily with both hands. If they are CAT's they should have the velcro tabbed as well. They should not be in their wrapper either...

As for the BOK itself, I really dont care where they mount it as long as its marked. Mandating the placement of the BOK isnt much different than my Bravo mandating where I place my mags or frags... Accessibility of your BOK has to be tempered with accessibility of the other items you have to carry: Mags, Frags, Radio, etc...

I utilize a Tactical Tailor H1 GP pouch mounted on 1" flat nylon (with fastex buckle) webbing and wear it similar to a fannypack. I can move it around as need be and can get to it easily. I can also wear it in the event I am not wearing armor (low pro) without having multiple BOK's in different configurations. It contains a 28fr NPA, 2-(14ga) caths, 2-Halo chest seals, 3-H&H gauze, 2-Ace wrap, Celox, 2-safety pins, and 2-mosquito forceps...my TQ's are on my vest and one on my rifle (parachutist retention banded to the buttstock.

Crip

Kingfisher
01-23-2010, 14:57
Placement is not a huge concern as long as it accessible and clearly marked. KISS formula applies concerning the contents. I have seen a lot of guys carry stuff they never use, but they run out of kerlex.

Remember, this gear will be used for self/buddy aid until the medic gets to you. Be able to use it effectively. If you can stop bleeding and occlude a chest injury and you will probably be able to save the majority of casualties that are salvageable. So I would focus the contents on that.

Good questions.

eggroll
02-03-2010, 18:37
Is that an ESSTAC setup?

Testedone...

It was named in his text, it is an ATS chest rig

testedone
02-03-2010, 19:05
Testedone...

It was named in his text, it is an ATS chest rig

Thanks but when he added the list of equipment it was after I asked the question...

Last edited by C0B2A; 01-19-2010 at 21:09. Reason: Added list of gear.


Thanks though

Buckles
03-18-2010, 23:56
Barn Owl
When it comes to tourniquets I carry four of them, when something bad happens it is usually very bad. One on my body armor, secures with shock cord, one in my blow-out kit, the other two are in shoulder pocket lower leg pocket.
As for the rest of your Kit it is a constantly evolving, my Kit change more than a few times.

AndyBear
03-21-2010, 15:10
As far as BOK in my opinion, I told my guys in country to "put it where you can open it and mark it with a red cross". It's very important that they can open it themselves because they know how to help themselves, or at least they better otherwise I'm a crappy medic.

As for turniquets, I have them put one right on their chest just below the quick release, out of the plastic, Velcro tabbed with tape, and secured with rubber bands. I like this because they can reach with either hand just in case, and everyone else knows EXACTLY where it is. They don't have to think about it to rip it off and apply it quickly. Aside from that one, I have them carry another two in their BOK.

I also had a morphine auto-injector, three compressed curlex, two hymens, an 4" ace rap, and needle decompression in the BOK.

Just my $0.02

Surgicalcric
03-21-2010, 20:35
I also had... two hymens...in the BOK.

I think you meant Hyfins, Brother... :p

Crip

The Reaper
03-21-2010, 20:43
I think you meant Hyfins, Brother... :p

Crip

Hey, you carry what YOU want, and let him carry what HE wants.

TR

x SF med
03-21-2010, 20:44
I think you meant Hyfins, Brother... :p

Crip

Maybe he is only good enough for 2 virgins.... :eek:

Interesting discussion, thanks.

AndyBear
03-21-2010, 22:10
I think you meant Hyfins, Brother... :p

Crip

Wow, I believe you're right. Though Hymens might be more fun. Stupid iPhone spell check. There goes my cool points. In theory though it might still work... if packaged and sealed right. Or maybe not... Awkward.

Koa18B
03-22-2010, 01:13
Hey, we all have priorities. Some men carry hyfins some carry hymens. Me, I just carry a box of Hello Kitty band-aid's and a tube of neo-sporin!

wet dog
03-22-2010, 01:22
...Me, I just carry a box of Hello Kitty band-aid's and a tube of neo-sporin!

An 18D, I held in the highest regard once told me that 90% of most medical problems above the waiste could be solved with aspirin, while 90% of most problems below the waiste could be solved with foot powder.

Somewhere along the way we all learned that headaches from dehydration, and poor foot management could take you out of the game quicker that a bullet.

Aoresteen
04-01-2010, 21:13
During my last deployment, I worked nights on an Iraqi FOB - the only US person present. First thing I did was add a mag pouch to the back of my body armor and put two AK mags loaded with 7.62x39 in it. The only long guns around were AKs. Weapons found on the ground are usally empty.

Barn Owl
04-07-2010, 12:45
QPs,

Thanks for all the replies. I am putting them to good use.

A new question: Anyone run a battle belt? If so, can you ruck with it? Some of the flatter belts work better, but they don't carry loads as well. The thicker belts don't leave enough room for ALICE's waist strap.

Surgicalcric, is that part of the reason you have your belt aid pouch on a velcro patch ... so you can take it off while rucking?

Very Respectfully,

Barn Owl

Surgicalcric
04-07-2010, 15:35
QPs,

Thanks for all the replies. I am putting them to good use.

A new question: Anyone run a battle belt? If so, can you ruck with it? Some of the flatter belts work better, but they don't carry loads as well. The thicker belts don't leave enough room for ALICE's waist strap.

Surgicalcric, is that part of the reason you have your belt aid pouch on a velcro patch ... so you can take it off while rucking?

Very Respectfully,

Barn Owl

I wear a pistol belt with my secondary, dump-pouch, (3) pistol mags, and (1) rifle mag...I dont wear a molle/PALS covered belt if thats what you are referring to. Having tried several I find them to be too large and hot to be honest and they do nothing for me that the pistol belt doesnt.

I have never worn my pistol/belt on any missions where I had to wear "the tick" for any considerable amount of time. However my operational time under ruck has been in the jungle.

Having evolved a bit since my earlier post it is now a Maxpedition 5x7x2 pouch (http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/5x7x2-Horizontal-GP-Pouch-Low-Profile-7p767.htm) mounted on a 1" length of flat webbing with fastex buckles so it can be moved or relocated around my body as needed. This configuration allows me to use the same BOK regardless if I am in full kit or not.

HTH,

Crip