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Warrior-Mentor
01-02-2010, 21:00
OPINION
JANUARY 2, 2010.
Why the Health-Care Bills Are Unconstitutional
If the government can mandate the purchase of insurance, it can do anything..
By ORRIN G. HATCH, J. KENNETH BLACKWELL AND KENNETH A. KLUKOWSKI

President Obama's health-care bill is now moving toward final passage. The policy issues may be coming to an end, but the legal issues are certain to continue because key provisions of this dangerous legislation are unconstitutional. Legally speaking, this legislation creates a target-rich environment. We will focus on three of its more glaring constitutional defects.

First, the Constitution does not give Congress the power to require that Americans purchase health insurance. Congress must be able to point to at least one of its powers listed in the Constitution as the basis of any legislation it passes. None of those powers justifies the individual insurance mandate. Congress's powers to tax and spend do not apply because the mandate neither taxes nor spends. The only other option is Congress's power to regulate interstate commerce.

Congress has many times stretched this power to the breaking point, exceeding even the expanded version of the commerce power established by the Supreme Court since the Great Depression. It is one thing, however, for Congress to regulate economic activity in which individuals choose to engage; it is another to require that individuals engage in such activity. That is not a difference in degree, but instead a difference in kind. It is a line that Congress has never crossed and the courts have never sanctioned.

In fact, the Supreme Court in United States v. Lopez (1995) rejected a version of the commerce power so expansive that it would leave virtually no activities by individuals that Congress could not regulate. By requiring Americans to use their own money to purchase a particular good or service, Congress would be doing exactly what the court said it could not do.

Some have argued that Congress may pass any legislation that it believes will serve the "general welfare." Those words appear in Article I of the Constitution, but they do not create a free-floating power for Congress simply to go forth and legislate well. Rather, the general welfare clause identifies the purpose for which Congress may spend money. The individual mandate tells Americans how they must spend the money Congress has not taken from them and has nothing to do with congressional spending.


A second constitutional defect of the Reid bill passed in the Senate involves the deals he cut to secure the votes of individual senators. Some of those deals do involve spending programs because they waive certain states' obligation to contribute to the Medicaid program. This selective spending targeted at certain states runs afoul of the general welfare clause. The welfare it serves is instead very specific and has been dubbed "cash for cloture" because it secured the 60 votes the majority needed to end debate and pass this legislation.

A third constitutional defect in this ObamaCare legislation is its command that states establish such things as benefit exchanges, which will require state legislation and regulations. This is not a condition for receiving federal funds, which would still leave some kind of choice to the states. No, this legislation requires states to establish these exchanges or says that the Secretary of Health and Human Services will step in and do it for them. It renders states little more than subdivisions of the federal government.

This violates the letter, the spirit, and the interpretation of our federal-state form of government. Some may have come to consider federalism an archaic annoyance, perhaps an amusing topic for law-school seminars but certainly not a substantive rule for structuring government. But in New York v. United States (1992) and Printz v. United States (1997), the Supreme Court struck down two laws on the grounds that the Constitution forbids the federal government from commandeering any branch of state government to administer a federal program. That is, by drafting and by deliberate design, exactly what this legislation would do.

The federal government may exercise only the powers granted to it or denied to the states. The states may do everything else. This is why, for example, states may have authority to require individuals to purchase health insurance but the federal government does not. It is also the reason states may require that individuals purchase car insurance before choosing to drive a car, but the federal government may not require all individuals to purchase health insurance.

This hardly exhausts the list of constitutional problems with this legislation, which would take the federal government into uncharted political and legal territory. Analysts, scholars and litigators are just beginning to examine the issues we have raised and other issues that may well lead to future litigation.

America's founders intended the federal government to have limited powers and that the states have an independent sovereign place in our system of government. The Obama/Reid/Pelosi legislation to take control of the American health-care system is the most sweeping and intrusive federal program ever devised.

If the federal government can do this, then it can do anything, and the limits on government power that our liberty requires will be more myth than reality.

Mr. Hatch, a Republican senator from Utah, is a former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Mr. Blackwell is a senior fellow with the Family Research Council and a professor at Liberty University School of Law. Mr. Klukowski is a fellow and senior legal analyst with the American Civil Rights Union.


SOURCE:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703278604574624021919432770.html

Peregrino
01-02-2010, 22:12
I seem to recall a news conference where a reporter asked Madam Pelosi about the constitutionality of the health care bill and she "blew him off". Anyone who expects the current administration to respect the Constitution is delusional. The left has always seen it as an inconvenience, especially with respect to enacting their agenda. Barry himself said as much several times during the campaign - and the MSM "failed to report it".

IrishYanksFan
01-02-2010, 22:53
The Federal government hasn't respected the Constitution for some time. This wasn't something that started with the Obama administration.

Seems like everybody's forgotten about the 10th Amendment.

longrange1947
01-04-2010, 10:29
The Federal government hasn't respected the Constitution for some time. This wasn't something that started with the Obama administration.

Seems like everybody's forgotten about the 10th Amendment.

That started during the civil war. :munchin

rltipton
01-05-2010, 12:04
You are all so very right. That article just points out how the democrats have completely ignored 'enumerated powers' as was intended by the Framers; that being if it does not expressly state what the government can do, then they CAN'T DO IT...THE POWER IS RETAINED BY THE STATES/PEOPLE!!!! obama has walked all over it time and time again with this "Oh it's an emergency we have to fix NOW!" horseshit they shovel on the MSM. From outright firing CEOs of privately owned companies (uh, hello!?!?) to the insurance scam they are pulling with the healthcare plan...you know 'em all. Pretty much every last thing obama and these asshat democrat senators have done since last January.

"Change" so far has consisted of one big power grab/money grab after another, one stomp on the Constitution after another, one stupid decision about national security after another... The "let's make the other guys look so bad that they will HAVE to vote for us. We will openly defame and label all who oppose as 'right-winged extremists' and/or racists" platform this administration is built upon is a pile of dirty shit. Add in a big pile of multi-million dollar self-promotion campaigns through the MSM followed by a whole lot of multi-million dollar parties and hanging out with movie stars and MSM figures OPENLY....on the taxpayer dime while the sheeple laugh at the "wannabe's" that had to sneak in. Hey dipshits, you weren't invited either, but you flipped the bill, you know!?!?

This is not representative government as was intended by our forefathers. This is lie, steal, cheat, pay-off and backsstab who you have to in order to pull off your own agenda politics. If this government is a snapshot representation of what America truly is, then we are in BIG trouble and we pretty much deserve whatever bad load of crap gets dealt our way.

...whoa I got started, sorry. :)

Anyway, bend over sheeple of America, here it comes...

rubberneck
01-05-2010, 12:34
It seems to me that when it is all said and done the group that will profit the most from this healthcare bill is the lawyers. If this bill makes it into law it will be tied up in the courts for years to come.

longrange1947
01-05-2010, 14:17
It seems to me that when it is all said and done the group that will profit the most from this healthcare bill is the lawyers. If this bill makes it into law it will be tied up in the courts for years to come.

Have you ever wondered why so many of the people in Congress are lawyers? Ever wonder why they don't pass TORT reform? :munchin :D

Richard
01-05-2010, 14:26
First, the Constitution does not give Congress the power to require that Americans purchase health insurance.

From what I was taught and have since studied about the Constitution, although difficult, it does, however, give Congress the power to do just about whatever it deems necessary to do upon consensus - including amending the Constitution. These guys must not have been editors of the Harvard Law Review or tops in their classes...or maybe they're just being politicians and trying to rouse the ol' rabble like they usually do to gain and remain in power.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

Sigaba
01-05-2010, 15:38
OPINION

America's founders intended the federal government to have limited powers and that the states have an independent sovereign place in our system of government. The Obama/Reid/Pelosi legislation to take control of the American health-care system is the most sweeping and intrusive federal program ever devised.Yep, those are opinions all right. (IIRC, the legislation for a much more 'sweeping and intrusive' federal program, available here (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=009/llsl009.db&recNum=489), was passed with the support of politicians who claimed to advocate states' rights.)

I find the lumping together of "Obama/Reid/Pelosi" into a political monolith as persuasive as the left's efforts to lump together "Reagan/Bush" and "Bush/McCain". That is to say, not very.

What ever happened to "divide and conquer"? The Democrats would like their supporters to believe that they're rebooting the New Deal coalition. Why should we help that effort by lumping them all together?

(Just because I'm suggesting a different approach doesn't mean that I'm volunteering to read, to listen, nor to study the speeches and policy statements of Reid, Pelosi, and the president for exploitable tensions, inconsistencies, and contradictions.:))

greenberetTFS
01-05-2010, 16:22
When has this liberal congress ever give a s**t about the Constitution ? :rolleyes: Really,Richard do you think they give a damn? :eek:

Big Teddy :munchin

Peregrino
01-05-2010, 21:11
Yep, those are opinions all right. (IIRC, the legislation for a much more 'sweeping and intrusive' federal program, available here (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=009/llsl009.db&recNum=489), was passed with the support of politicians who claimed to advocate states' rights.)

I find the lumping together of "Obama/Reid/Pelosi" into a political monolith as persuasive as the left's efforts to lump together "Reagan/Bush" and "Bush/McCain". That is to say, not very.

What ever happened to "divide and conquer"? The Democrats would like their supporters to believe that they're rebooting the New Deal coalition. Why should we help that effort by lumping them all together?

(Just because I'm suggesting a different approach doesn't mean that I'm volunteering to read, to listen, nor to study the speeches and policy statements of Reid, Pelosi, and the president for exploitable tensions, inconsistencies, and contradictions.:))

Sorry - I can't agree that the Fugitive Slave Act was as sweeping a power grab as the current health care debacle. Slavery, while an abhorent institution, was firmly grounded on property rights. The FSA merely mobilized the existing legal system to enforce those property rights. Unfortunately, I personally lack the motivation at the moment to expound on the trespasses of the health care legislation. That dead horse has been beaten into rotten hamburger and the tyrants of the left are going to attempt to force the rest of us to consume it anyway. I see a future filled with unpalatable alternatives.

Warrior-Mentor
01-05-2010, 22:21
Here's a possibility for hope:

http://www.brownforussenate.com/

Going for Ted Kennedy's old seat.

Was down by 30 points last month. Down to a single digit race now...

Worth kicking in a donation.

One seat is all it will take to empower a Republican filibuster in the Senate.

BIO:
http://www.brownforussenate.com/senator-brown

Sigaba
01-05-2010, 23:12
Sorry - I can't agree that the Fugitive Slave Act was as sweeping a power grab as the current health care debacle. Slavery, while an abhorrent institution, was firmly grounded on property rights. The FSA merely mobilized the existing legal system to enforce those property rights. I respectfully disagree that American slavery was grounded on the notion of property rights. During the 1850s, northern states passed a number of personal liberty laws to protect African Americans against kidnappers. These laws as well as the vigorous court contests (culminating with Dred Scott v. Sanford [1857], political protests, and acts of violence that followed indicate that slavery was regarded as something more than a matter of property rights and the FSA was "merely" mobilizing an existing configuration of the legal system.

And as it too often goes without saying, I will point out that it is likely that several million Americans disagreed with the notion of human beings as property.

Third, historians of the American south have made a convincing case that the notion of property rights was but one component in a complex layered ideology that changed over time and varied by region.^

Moreover, northerners considered the FSA as an example of the "slave power" that sought to make a peculiar institution practiced in one section of the country, a national institution practiced by all.* While Kenneth Stampp argues that it was the Dred Scott decision that galvanized many northerners and the young Republican Party in their perception of this conspiracy, I agree with James McPherson who argues that the FSA was part of a deliberate effort by Southern Democrats to expand their influence in national politics.** (This is to say that, in the view of northerners, the Dred Scott decision was an exclamation point on a sentence that had already been written in all capital letters and underscored several times.)Unfortunately, I personally lack the motivation at the moment to expound on the trespasses of the health care legislation. That dead horse has been beaten into rotten hamburger and the tyrants of the left are going to attempt to force the rest of us to consume it anyway. I see a future filled with unpalatable alternatives.Setting aside our differing views on antebellum America, and focusing on the legislation at hand, I ask:

Is arguing against the health care bills' constitutionality the best political tactic to use at this moment to oppose their passage?
How resonant is an argument about the Constitution going to be among Americans who have the (mis)perception that the president is a progressive and a pragmatist and therefore support his policy preferences because they, like he, believe they will fix long standing issues?
Is the honorable senator from Utah "preaching to the choir" when he could be more effective framing an argument aimed at self described progressives?
By "preaching to the choir," will Senator Hatch and others re-enforce the current perception held in many quarters that the GOP is nothing more than "the party of no"?


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^Two works that represent the "state of the art" are Lacy K. Ford, Deliver Us From Evil: The Slavery Question in the Old South (New York: Oxford University Press, 2009) (http://www.amazon.com/Deliver-Us-Evil-Slavery-Question/dp/019511809X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262750346&sr=8-1) and Elizabeth Fox-Genovese and Eugene D. Genovese, The Mind of the Master Class: History and Faith in the Southern Slaveholders' Worldview (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2005) (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0521615623/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=A1RNQ8IKFWUEGR&v=glance).
*Here I am paraphrasing from an editorial published in the 9 March 1857 edition of the New York Evening Post as quoted in Kenneth M. Stampp, America in 1857: A Nation on the Brink (New York: Oxford University Press, 1990), p. 105.
** James McPherson, Battle Cry of Freedom: The Civil War Era, Oxford History of the United States, vol. 6 (New York: Oxford University Press, 1988), p. 78-88.

Gypsy
01-09-2010, 08:39
From what I understand, there is nothing per se un-Constitutional about big government, such as government healthcare, but forcing people to purchase health insurance as part of some big healthcare program, I do not know. Sounds like an infringement on rights to me.

I know. It is definitely unconstitutional. Government cannot tell you what to buy with your own money. I don't see anything anywhere in the Constitution that empowers them to do so.


Thanks Warrior-Mentor, it's rare that I donate money to a candidate not running in my own state...but wouldn't it be fabulous to see Brown win that seat. :D