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Streck-Fu
12-30-2009, 12:05
I know that there is a long history of police clashes with demonstrators, especially around college campuses, but modern practices seem to indicate a greater willingness for the police to take preemptive action action people who had done nothing at the time of arrest or detention.


LINK (http://reason.com/archives/2009/12/30/the-criminalization-of-protest)

Police and politicians ignore the First Amendment when we need it the most.

I’ve lived in the Washington, D.C., area for the better part of the last 10 years. So I’ve seen my share of demonstrations, although more often than not I just try to avoid the traffic nightmares they cause. Among the various classes of protests—pro-life, anti-war, environmental, and now tea parties—the most destructive are the anti-globalization marches. So when cops clashed with anti-globalization demonstrators at the Pittsburgh G-20 summit in September, it was easy to assume that most of the altercations represented justified police responses to overzealous protesters.

But a number of disturbing photographs, videos, and witness accounts told a different story. Along with similar evidence from other recent high-stakes political events, they reveal an increasing, disquieting willingness to smother even peaceful dissent.

On the Friday afternoon before the G-20 meeting kicked into high gear, a student at the University of Pittsburgh snapped a photo showing a University of Pittsburgh police officer directing traffic at a roadblock. What’s troubling is what he’s wearing: camouflage military fatigues. It’s difficult to discern a practical reason why a man working for an urban police department would need to wear camouflage, especially while patrolling an economic summit. He’s a civilian dressed like a soldier. The symbolism is clear, and it affects the attitudes of both the cops wearing the clothes and the people they’re policing.

The campus cop wasn’t alone. Members of police departments from across the country came to Pittsburgh to help during the summit, most of them dressed in paramilitary garb. In one widely circulated video, several officers dressed entirely in camouflage emerge from an unmarked car, apprehend a young backpack-wearing protester, stuff him into the car, and drive off. The sequence evoked the “disappearances” associated with Latin American dictatorships or Soviet Bloc countries. When Matt Drudge linked to the video, he described the officers in it as members of the military. They weren’t, but it’s easy to understand how someone might make that mistake.

In another video, members of a police unit from Chicago who took vacation time to work at the summit prop up a handcuffed protester and gather behind him. Another officer then snaps what appears to be a trophy photo. Two men in faraway Queens were arrested for posting the locations of riot police on Twitter, as though they were revealing the location of troops on a battlefield. Another video shows dozens of police in full body armor confronting and eventually macing onlookers (who weren’t even protesters) in the neighborhood of Oakland, far from the site of the summit, as a recorded voice orders any and all to disperse. Students at the University of Pittsburgh claim cops fired tear gas canisters into dorm rooms, used sound cannons, and shot bean bags and rubber bullets.

The most egregious actions took place on September 25, when police began ordering students who were in public spaces to disperse despite the fact that they had broken no laws. Those who moved too slowly, even from public spaces on their own campus or in front of their dorms, were arrested. A university spokesman said the aim was to break up crowds that “had the potential of disrupting normal activities.” Apparently a group of people needn’t actually break any laws to be put in jail. They must only possess the “potential” to do so, at which point not moving quickly enough for the cops’ liking could result in an arrest. That standard is a license for the police to arrest anyone anywhere in the city at any time, regardless of whether they’ve done anything wrong. In all, 190 people were arrested during the summit, including at least two journalists.

It can’t be easy to both keep order and protect civil liberties at such events. But that doesn’t mean police and city officials shouldn’t be expected to try. Yes, some protesters damaged some property at the G-20 summit, although there wasn’t much of that this time around. But the presence of a few unruly demonstrators doesn’t give the police carte blanche to crack down on every young person in the general vicinity, nor should it give the city free rein to suppress all public protest. It’s unfortunate that when the global press and the leaders of the world’s 20 largest economies came to Pittsburgh, the images that emerged were not of a society that values free expression and constitutional rights but of one willing to grant police powers normally seen in authoritarian states.

This projection of overwhelming force at big events is becoming more common. At last year’s Republican National Convention in Minneapolis, police conducted peremptory raids on the homes of protesters before the convention began. In all, 672 people were jailed, including at least 39 journalists. According to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, 442 of those 672 later had their charges either dropped or dismissed.

Four years before that, more than 1,800 people were arrested at the previous Republican National Convention in New York City. Ninety percent were never charged with a crime. One notorious photo from the 2008 Democratic National Convention in Denver shows a small mass of protesters, zoned far off from where any delegates or media representatives could hear them, surrounded by two walls of riot police who outnumbered them at least 2 to 1. Denver’s police union later issued a commemorative T-shirt of the event emblazoned with an illustration of a menacing cop wielding a baton and the slogan, “We get up early to beat the crowds.”

The trend may have started at the 1999 World Trade Organization summit in Seattle, which saw both actual rioting and police overkill. Mayor Paul Schell not only declared a state of emergency, imposed a curfew, and designated swaths of the city “no-protest” zones; he actually banned civilian possession of gas masks. Police then gassed entire city blocks. The victims included many owners of the stores the police were ostensibly protecting from looters. Assistant Police Chief Ed Joiner, who was in charge of security for the event, would later tell reporters that future summits should be held only in destinations with military governments.

These are precisely the kinds of events where free speech and the freedom to protest need protection the most: when influential figures make high-level decisions with far-reaching consequences. Instead, we see the opposite. The higher the event’s profile, the more powerful the players involved, and the more important the decisions being made, the more determined police and politicians are to make sure dissent is kept as far away from the VIPs as possible. Or silenced entirely.

Defender968
12-31-2009, 10:37
I know that there is a long history of police clashes with demonstrators, especially around college campuses, but modern practices seem to indicate a greater willingness for the police to take preemptive action action people who had done nothing at the time of arrest or detention.


But a number of disturbing photographs, videos, and witness accounts told a different story. Along with similar evidence from other recent high-stakes political events, they reveal an increasing, disquieting willingness to smother even peaceful dissent.

Is this the same peaceful decent where kids dressed in black hoodies with their faces covered broke business windows with trashcans?

IOn the Friday afternoon before the G-20 meeting kicked into high gear, a student at the University of Pittsburgh snapped a photo showing a University of Pittsburgh police officer directing traffic at a roadblock. What’s troubling is what he’s wearing: camouflage military fatigues. It’s difficult to discern a practical reason why a man working for an urban police department would need to wear camouflage, especially while patrolling an economic summit. He’s a civilian dressed like a soldier. The symbolism is clear, and it affects the attitudes of both the cops wearing the clothes and the people they’re policing.

I'm certain that it isn't the fact that they were expecting clashes with "peaceful" protesters that they wore the BDU's, I'm also certain the LEO's choice of wardrobe was based on symbolism rather than utility. Speaking of utility I wonder if this “reporter” has ever tried to fight a criminal in polyester pants and a button down shirt, it's a whole lot harder than fighting in cargo pants and a loose fitting top.


On The campus cop wasn’t alone. Members of police departments from across the country came to Pittsburgh to help during the summit, most of them dressed in paramilitary garb. In one widely circulated video, several officers dressed entirely in camouflage emerge from an unmarked car, apprehend a young backpack-wearing protester, stuff him into the car, and drive off.

Riot control 101, snatch the main protagonist, and you'd be amazed the effect it can have on a not so peaceful crowd, it's a little harder to do in a marked car wearing a patrol uniform, that whole surprise thing.


The sequence evoked the “disappearances” associated with Latin American dictatorships or Soviet Bloc countries. When Matt Drudge linked to the video, he described the officers in it as members of the military. They weren’t, but it’s easy to understand how someone might make that mistake.

Drama queen much what...."disappearances" yea it's called being arrested, they disappeared because they were booked into the local jail. I'll stop here because this article is well nonsense, was the police response completely appropriate, I don't know maybe they should have waited until a whole neighborhood was burning like they do in Europe before intervening, maybe it’s just that LEO’s wearing BDU's scares the author. I would suggest if the author feels so repressed here they go and visit the truly free country of Iran and see how repressed they really are. :rolleyes:

Dozer523
12-31-2009, 12:49
This is the quote that I find disconcerting:
On the Friday afternoon before the G-20 meeting kicked into high gear, a student at the University of Pittsburgh snapped a photo showing a University of Pittsburgh police officer directing traffic at a roadblock. What’s troubling is what he’s wearing: camouflage military fatigues. It’s difficult to discern a practical reason why a man working for an urban police department would need to wear camouflage, especially while patrolling an economic summit. He’s a civilian dressed like a soldier. The symbolism is clear, and it affects the attitudes of both the cops wearing the clothes and the people they’re policing.


The University has every right to direct it's employees to take precautionary steps to protect it's property and the people who have a lawful right to be on the grounds. These summits frequently turn very violent (Seattle). On any given day the University has the right and authority to control traffic, egress and ingress for any reason they want. BUT, He is a private employee of the University who on most days tries to look like what he is not -- a Police Officer.
On this particular day he is trying to look like what he most definately is not -- A Federal Soldier or a Guardsman.

The symbolism is very clear and I am reminded of Kent State.
He is a Poser.

Ret10Echo
12-31-2009, 13:50
I would suggest if the author feels so repressed here they go and visit the truly free country of Iran and see how repressed they really are. :rolleyes:

I agree Defender...there should be some sort of exchange program that the Department of State could arrange. 6 months in the oppressive regime of your choice (we can update the list periodically). Call it a "USA Appreciation Exchange".

There has been much said about "Potential" lately. You could potentially be great enough to receive a Nobel Prize...so let's just cut the corner and give it to you NOW. On the other hand you may have the "Potential" to be subversive so let's not let that occur and take you down NOW.

There is a fine line between actual and perceived threats. This is further muddied when one begins to apply that annoying thing we have known as the "Bill of Rights".

MIDDLE EAST NEWS DECEMBER 31, 2009

Regime Wages a Quiet War on 'Star Students' of Iran

Behind the drama unfolding in the streets of Iran, the regime is quietly clamping down on some of the nation's best students by derailing their academic and professional careers.

On Wednesday, progovernment militia attacked and beat students at a school in northeastern Iran. Since last Sunday's massive protests nationwide, dozens of university students have been arrested as part of an aggressive policy against what are known as Iran's "star students."

In most places, being a star means ranking top of the class, but in Iran it means your name appears on a list of students considered a threat by the intelligence ministry. It also means a partial or complete ban from education.

The term comes from the fact that some students have learned of their status by seeing stars printed next to their names on test results.

Mehrnoush Karimi, a 24-year-old law-school hopeful, found out in August that she was starred. She ranked 55 on this year's national entrance exam for law schools, out of more than 70,000 test-takers. That score should have guaranteed her a seat at the school of her choice. Instead, the government told her she wouldn't be attending law school due to her "star" status.

Ms. Karimi says she thinks she got starred because she volunteered in the presidential campaign of opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi last spring. She also participated in several antigovernment "Green Movement" protests that are convulsing Iran.

It's a lengthy article. Full article located here (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126222013953111071.html)

How far away would we be without dissent?


Oh, and in response to the article:

On the Friday afternoon before the G-20 meeting kicked into high gear, a student at the University of Pittsburgh snapped a photo showing a University of Pittsburgh police officer directing traffic at a roadblock. What’s troubling is what he’s wearing: camouflage military fatigues. It’s difficult to discern a practical reason why a man working for an urban police department would need to wear camouflage, especially while patrolling an economic summit. He’s a civilian dressed like a soldier. The symbolism is clear, and it affects the attitudes of both the cops wearing the clothes and the people they’re policing.

Could that be as simple as the fact that BDU's (camouflage military fatigues) are cheap and in abundant supply? Not everyone can dress out in 511's

Defender968
01-01-2010, 07:59
This is the quote that I find disconcerting:


The University has every right to direct it's employees to take precautionary steps to protect it's property and the people who have a lawful right to be on the grounds. These summits frequently turn very violent (Seattle). On any given day the University has the right and authority to control traffic, egress and ingress for any reason they want. BUT, He is a private employee of the University who on most days tries to look like what he is not -- a Police Officer.
On this particular day he is trying to look like what he most definately is not -- A Federal Soldier or a Guardsman.

The symbolism is very clear and I am reminded of Kent State.
He is a Poser.


Dozer I didn't see the photo in question, so maybe he was trying to look like a soldier, but I'd be willing to bet if he was wearing BDU pants with a polo, that seems to be the standard for LEO's wearing any fatigues outside of swat and it's unlikely that a campus would have a swat team, at least in my AO. As for him trying to look what he's not on a normal day, I'm not a huge fan of campus cops, however in SC most are accredited fully trained LEOs, they go through the Criminal Justice Academy that a city cop or deputy sheriff go through, and for state schools they actually have full powers of arrest throughout the state (just like state troopers) now do they use it, no of course not but they are trained to be more than mall cops, they still deal with drunken idiots, have to go to domestics, and still arrest people, but like any org they have some idiots. Again I don't know this LEO's story, but I would give him the benefit of the doubt if for no other reason than how slanted this authors article is.

Box
01-01-2010, 08:36
the hippy protesters of the 60's and 70's are in charge now...
...why WOULDN'T they want to outlaw protest?

Wasn't that the intention all along?

greenberetTFS
01-01-2010, 11:34
the hippy protesters of the 60's and 70's are in charge now...
...why WOULDN'T they want to outlaw protest?

Wasn't that the intention all along?

Billy's right, consider those that are in power now!.......................:rolleyes:

Big Teddy :munchin