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Warrior-Mentor
12-24-2009, 05:53
Maybe if Obama worked in the U.S. Senate instead of just campaigning from there,
or if he paid attention in any of the Constitutional Law classes he taught, he would understand:

the role of the United States Senate is to stop bad legislation from passing!

I'm afraid they will fail in that mission today.


Obama vents frustration at Senate delays
Dec 23, 2009


WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama on Wednesday expressed frustration with the way the Senate does business, saying the use of delaying tactics there harms the nation's ability to "deal with big problems in a very competitive world."

"Other countries are going to start running circles around us," Obama said in a White House interview with PBS. "We're going to have to return to some sense that governance is more important than politics inside the Senate."

Obama's critique of his former Senate colleagues came just as his allies there were on the cusp of giving him what he wants: passage of a Senate health care bill.

The bare-minimum bloc of 60 senators—all 58 Democrats and two independents—voted to end a GOP filibuster and move toward final passage Thursday.

Obama said the use of that vote-stalling tactic, which requires 60 votes to cut off debate, has been imposed in an "unheard of" routine fashion. He said it's problematic regardless of which party controls the White House and Congress, but conceded that, as president, he doesn't have much power to do anything about it.

As for the health care bill, the version the Senate is expected to pass must still be reconciled with a House-passed measure.

Obama pledged to take a hands-on role in reconciling the two.

"We hope to have a whole bunch of folks over here in the West Wing, and I'll be rolling up my sleeves and spending some time before the full Congress even gets back into session, because the American people need it now," he said.

Congress is expected to pick up the process in January after a holiday break.

The president sought to shift the focus from how the bills differ—on such areas as financing and abortion restrictions—to how they are similar.

"I'm getting 95 percent of what I want," Obama said. "Now, I might not be getting 95 percent of what some other folks want."

Obama has faced heat from the left side of his own Democratic Party because, among other items, the Senate bill does not include a so-called public option in which a government-run health care plan would be a choice for consumers. The House version does have it.

Obama said he would sign a final bill even if does not include the public option. He said he disagrees with those who want to "dump all these other extraordinary reforms" because the bill doesn't include that provision. "I don't think that makes sense," he said.

The House bill calls for taxing richer Americans to pay for covering the uninsured, while the Senate version would tax some of the costlier employer-provided health benefit plans. In a separate interview with National Public Radio, Obama predicted that the final bill will end up incorporating "a little bit of both."

Obama's interviews were with PBS' "The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer" and NPR's "All Things Considered."

SOURCE:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9CPDCOG0&show_article=1

kgoerz
12-24-2009, 06:07
The House bill calls for taxing richer Americans to pay for covering the uninsured, while the Senate version would tax some of the costlier employer-provided health benefit plans. In a separate interview with National Public Radio, Obama predicted that the final bill will end up incorporating "a little bit of both."

Either way we are creating a culture of, no need to take care of myself and Family. The Government will. Now people can buy bigger new cars and flat screen TV's.
So will I be able to stop paying for Tricare and my employee Health Care soon? Because I will be getting it free soon.

Kyobanim
12-24-2009, 07:20
Fuel for the fire . . .

I heard on the radio this morning that by 2019, the cost of health insurance premiums for a family of 4 will be $31k per year while the average income for the same family will be $50k.

Warrior-Mentor
12-24-2009, 08:10
Seems Obama and the Congress are working to help Bin laden accomplish his mission:


"We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it."

In full context:


From PBS.org:

The following text is the second fatwa originally published on February 23, 1998, to declare a holy war, or jihad, against the West and Israel.

It is signed by Osama bin Laden, head of al Qaeda; Ayman al-Zawahiri, head of Jihad Group in Egypt, and several other Islamic terrorist groups.

Praise be to God, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.

The Arabian Peninsula has never -- since God made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas -- been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies spreading in it like locusts, eating its riches and wiping out its plantations. All this is happening at a time in which nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.

No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:

First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.

If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it. The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless.

Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.

So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors. Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.

All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al-Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said: "As for the fighting to repulse [an enemy], it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed . Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

[B]The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty God: "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? -- women and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.

Almighty God said: "O ye who believe, give your response to God and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that God cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."

Almighty God also says: "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of God, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For God hath power over all things."

Almighty God also says: "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."

SOURCE:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1998.html

zpo
12-24-2009, 09:22
The House bill calls for taxing richer Americans to pay for covering the uninsured, while the Senate version would tax some of the costlier employer-provided health benefit plans.

The same people end up paying for it. The employer plans will just cover less to make up the difference.

Box
12-24-2009, 11:18
We have been suffering from "microwave politics" for over a decade... why stop now?
Is any one surprised at the grandstanding?
Really?

...months to pick a dog, but da' health Care Bill gotta get passed now!!!!

The real America is dying a slow, quiet, peaceful death. No need for responsibility or accountability, as long as there is free bread at the Coliseum.
No body wants to hear truth, only good news.
Facts just muddy the water.

Move along, nothing to see here......