View Full Version : VIDEO: Muslim Child Beheads Man, Praises Allah
Warrior-Mentor
12-22-2009, 13:28
If there's any doubt in your mind as to the depths of evil that is perpetrated on behalf of islam, watch this.
THIS SHOWS HOW TRULY EVIL ISLAM IS.
Why?
This child has been brain washed in to beliveing beheading is not only acceptable but encouraged as a religious act.
Why?
Because THAT's WHAT THE PERFECT MAN - MUHAMMED - DID!
ANYTHING MOO-HAM-HEAD DID IS TO BE EMULATED.
Nice huh?
What for yourself...
VIDEO HERE:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/12/do-not-insult-muslim-child-and-friends-beheading-man-while-praising-allah-video.html
Stingray
12-23-2009, 04:07
Thank you for posting this WM. One of the more disturbing things I have seen. Our children will be fighting those children. There is little doubt of that.
Sincerely,
It took a lot for me to watch it all the way through but I think it's important that I did. It's like nobody understands what we're up against. And we got shit for Abu Ghraib. Disgusting.
mojaveman
12-23-2009, 12:53
That was pretty gruesome.
Those people in that part of the World still have a long way to go. I don't think they can be called human. I saw a video once in which some Palestinian men persuaded a 13 year old boy to don an explosive vest and then approach an Israeli army checkpoint. Luckily the soldiers were able to convince him to take it off. That kind of stuff is beyond my rational thinking. I'll call it sick...
testedone
12-23-2009, 13:21
Wow... you know it happens but to actually see it..
Too bad our Politically Correct Ass-Kissing Government hasn't the nerve to broadcast such videos to the American people to show them the REAL side of Islam! Instead, lets put our heads back in the sand until it's our turn to have them cut off!
armymom1228
12-23-2009, 18:13
Too bad our Politically Correct Ass-Kissing Government hasn't the nerve to broadcast such videos to the American people to show them the REAL side of Islam! Instead, lets put our heads back in the sand until it's our turn to have them cut off!
The people would probably do what I did. I made it about 21 seconds into the whole thing and had to turn it off. One would think with all I have seen I could blithely watch it with dispassion. Not in this lifetime.. it was disgusting. :(:(
Words fail me.
Warrior-Mentor
12-23-2009, 18:31
The people would probably do what I did. I made it about 21 seconds into the whole thing and had to turn it off. One would think with all I have seen I could blithely watch it with dispassion. Not in this lifetime.. it was disgusting. :(:(
Words fail me.
You saw enough to know what comes next. You realize it's a reality.
And that's more than most Americans.
has been lost forever and never to be returned again.
I've seen what happens to individuals who have worked in the cattle-beef industry, killing daily, killing indescriminately, killing for commerce, killing,...
but to have the steadfastness of "numbness" as this child, (aprox. age, 10-12) is hard to comprehend, but comprehend I have.
What this next generation will face is beyond words. I pray for my children's protection, their mental health, their emotional well-being. I pray for my enemies that they may learn quickly before "my wrath is unleased". I will not turn another cheek.
I will continue to work, train, and keep my weapons close at hand.
WD
IrishYanksFan
12-23-2009, 19:51
Maybe I've just been too sheltered but that was the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in my life. And I thought nothing could top the movie Natural Born Killers.
Warrior-Mentor
12-23-2009, 19:53
There's a reason for my passion about this issue...
testedone
12-23-2009, 20:49
There's a reason for my passion about this issue...
I completely understand sir...
frostfire
12-23-2009, 21:14
Is it too much to hope/wish/pray that the transformation Mitsuo Fuchida went through can happen to that kid as well.
armymom1228
12-23-2009, 22:22
You saw enough to know what comes next.
I had to take a walk before I went back and made myself watch it.
Two things struck me. First they had to hold the guy down, it must have been excrutiating for the victim.
The second, NO one ever taught the brat to field dress game. At that age I could have done it in half the time. He was doing good until he got to the spine..Stupid Brat, great parents he has there.
I never did real good with horror movies, they give me nightmares.:D
You realize it's a reality.
And that's more than most Americans.
Most Americans would not be on a chat board like this one. It might stunt thier growth to hear 'truths' not spoon fed by the MSM. ;) I have never cared to be 'normal', whatever the current PC definition of 'normal' is. I like to read and explore and make my own decisions based on that information I find. If I am lucky I get pointed in the correct direction.
Merry Christmas!
AM
Defender968
12-23-2009, 22:40
Two things struck me. First they had to hold the guy down, it must have been excrutiating for the victim.
That was something I noticed, but for a different reason, the victim didn't move or make noise, now I know it wouldn't have been much and he would have lost consciousness quickly once the jugular was severed but I think and maybe more so I sincerely hope the victim was unconscious.
Either way, that video and those like it show the true face of the enemy we face, and you cannot negotiate, reason or even argue with a beast that would teach, let alone allow a child to be involved in the killing or worse the beheading of a human.
That was something I noticed, but for a different reason, the victim didn't move or make noise, now I know it wouldn't have been much and he would have lost consciousness quickly once the jugular was severed but I think and maybe more so I sincerely hope the victim was unconscious.
Either way, that video and those like it show the true face of the enemy we face, and you cannot negotiate, reason or even argue with a beast that would teach, let alone allow a child to be involved in the killing or worse the beheading of a human.
Does anyone remember Nick Berg, who died on Saturday, May 01, 2004, Iraq;
cause of death: execution
The terrorists forced him down rather quickly, bouncing his skull on the floor, that alone would have put me out. His hands were not placed behind him, but in front. Nick struggled, but only for a moment. Loss of static blood pressure in under 3 seconds, he was gone. In my opinion, in recent years, the executioners have only gotten better. Not only better, but younger. In this video, the women were holding him down, (talk about irony). In Nick's execution, the killer had to hold the victim alone.
I hold all in party responsible. The parents, the bystanders, the camera guy. This is not an isolated event - human desentcy is this scenario is gone.
The victim, their own countryman. The "worm has definately turned".
I'm blessed to live the USA, were in if my neighbor thought another was doing harm, they would step in and put matters into their own hands, law suit be damned, doing the right thing is still doing the right thing.
WD
p.s., this is my idea of parenting: (attached) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmVI0NzkHys&feature=related
In the final analysis, brothers stick together. Who's with me?
mojaveman
12-23-2009, 23:30
The second, NO one ever taught the brat to field dress game. At that age I could have done it in half the time. He was doing good until he got to the spine... [QUOTE]
I was thinking the same thing Army Mom. If you're going to decapitate someone at least do it the right way. His knife should have been sharper and a hatchet would have helped with the spine.
I think the victim was already dead though. He didn't struggle at all. I figured he may have been strangled right before it happened. I'm sure the film crew wanted it to look good.
Fu*ki&g Animals...
armymom1228
12-24-2009, 00:26
I was thinking the same thing Army Mom. If you're going to decapitate someone at least do it the right way. His knife should have been sharper and a hatchet would have helped with the spine. I think the victim was already dead though. He didn't struggle at all. I figured he may have been strangled right before it happened. I'm sure the film crew wanted it to look good.
..
The knife was sharp, the guy was, I am pretty sure, still alive. He had 3 or 4 people holding him down, his hands looked like they were tied behind him.
Notice the dude holding his head back. Do that and the jugular slips behind the windpipe. There was a lot of blood, at one point I saw 'spurts'. The victim was alive long enough to suffer. The kid could have used the knife sharp or not to
cut between the vertebrae, he was hacking. He had no clue. Notice the kid was wearing white western style 'sneakers"?
Anyone find out why the guy got his throat slit and head removed? Perhaps he had buggered the kids pet goat? It might have deserved to die in such a fashion.
Maybe he was a 'collaborator'.
When the women are teaching thier young to kill in such a fashion..... Until the women are educated and given a change of heart and mind. It will continue.
In'shallah.
.... Until the women are educated and given a change of heart and mind. It will continue.
In'shallah.
Who said, "No educated woman would raise a terrorist son" or at least coined the phrase? It's been used here (PS.com) a few times.
Good post AM.
greenberetTFS
12-24-2009, 00:44
Does anyone remember Nick Berg, who died on Saturday, May 01, 2004, Iraq;
cause of death: execution
The terrorists forced him down rather quickly, bouncing his skull on the floor, that alone would have put me out. His hands were not placed behind him, but in front. Nick struggled, but only for a moment. Loss of static blood pressure in under 3 seconds, he was gone. In my opinion, in recent years, the executioners have only gotten better. Not only better, but younger. In this video, the women were holding him down, (talk about irony). In Nick's execution, the killer had to hold the victim alone.
I hold all in party responsible. The parents, the bystanders, the camera guy. This is not an isolated event - human desentcy is this scenario is gone.
The victim, their own countryman. The "worm has definately turned".
I'm blessed to live the USA, were in if my neighbor thought another was doing harm, they would step in and put matters into their own hands, law suit be damned, doing the right thing is still doing the right thing.
WD
p.s., this is my idea of parenting: (attached) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmVI0NzkHys&feature=related
In the final analysis, brothers stick together. Who's with me?
I'm with you WD,don't know how much help an old fart can be,but I'll promise you it'll be more than 100% of what I've got left,at lest until my next posting....:cool:
Remind me if I forget......;) BTW,do you share your Jameson(?) with your followers?
Big Teddy :munchin
dirtyshirt
12-24-2009, 01:19
This is perfect evidence why they all must be exterminated. The children are always the hope for the future-not this time.
Yes, I recognize and know what I am saying,and know some will not agree,but,I see no other way. Who is going to take a chance that they will "change". I despise them and their religion,and they all must go,because they cannot be reasoned with,trusted,nothing. No other religion preaches hate and domination like theirs.
I dont know what it's worth, but I will stand with W-D.
These people MUST be stopped. They must be stopped NOW, before this becomes commonplace here,in America. And, yes, It CAN happen, if American sheeple become complacent. No one ever thought something like 9/11 could happen...
greenberetTFS
12-24-2009, 01:28
This is perfect evidence why they all must be exterminated. The children are always the hope for the future-not this time.
Yes, I recognize and know what I am saying,and know some will not agree,but,I see no other way. Who is going to take a chance that they will "change". I despise them and their religion,and they all must go,because they cannot be reasoned with,trusted,nothing. No other religion preaches hate and domination like theirs.
I dont know what it's worth, but I will stand with W-D.
These people MUST be stopped. They must be stopped NOW, before this becomes commonplace here,in America. And, yes, It CAN happen, if American sheeple become complacent. No one ever thought something like 9/11 could happen...
I maybe totally wrong and am not speaking for WD,but I don't believe he's talking about them all being exterminated.....:( Correct me if I'm wrong WD........:confused:
Big Teddy :munchin
I believe that greatness once flourished in the Middle East, that Baghdad was once the epicenter of world knowledge, (science, math, astronomy, arts, culture, language, etc.). I beieve that if those who feel 'Islam is Great', then they need to be reminded that it only has gone down hill ever-so-slowly since the 8th century with the introduction of Islam. That perhaps, they should learn that the great teacher of faith has always said, "...by their fruits, ye shall know they are my people". One can judge for themselves the merits of any idealogy, (e.g., Definition: 1. system of social beliefs: a closely organized system of beliefs, values, and ideas forming the basis of a social, economic, or political philosophy or program. 2. meaningful belief system: a set of beliefs, values, and opinions that shapes the way a person or a group such as a social class thinks, acts, and understands the world).
If Islam is going to survive, or if we are going to survive with Islam, then Islam must correct itself, abide by curtain behaviors and accept those not of Islamic faith. Radical Islamist teach that Muhammed was sent to correct to errors of the old with the new. That Islam was to return the "beleiver to the Gospel. Non-beleivers, blah, blah, blah, etc".
If students of religions learn that it is our simularities that unite us, rather than our differences that destroy us. I quickly point out to some of my more Islamic friends, that Muhammed's actions are not often behaviors of a man of God. In comparision to Adam, Noah, Moses, Isaiah, Jerimiah and other who taught "repentance, honor your parents, remove yourself from evil, do good, love your neighbor...", Muhammed falls short.
As I see it in comparision to a parable, all I see is a poor fruit, (idealogy), planted in bad soil, (hearts of man), that will yield no product. At some point even the gardner/care giver will pluck the tree from the vinyard and cast it out. If Islams goal is to "change" everyone, then they will fail. If their goal is to destroy Israel, then we already know how that ends.
I do not believe that all must be exterminated, I do beleive that I would be held accountable to my God, if I felt so. I believe that our military leadership needs to get out of the way, and allow our troops and field commanders the flexibility to do their jobs. But be not surprised here, we were told this was going to happen. Wars and rumors of wars,...all nations will see war and it's horrors, there will be no place on Earth that will be safe.
It is a conflict between right and wrong, between the gospel and false principles. What is the Gospel? Truth is Eternal, it does nor change. The same gospel that was taught anciently, is the same taught today. It has always been, Faith, Sacrifice, Obedience, Love, Acceptance of others, selfless servive, and Honoring God by serving others. "To the least of these my brotheren, you have done it unto me".
I am of the belief that this conflict can only be solved by one solution, and He's not here yet. Until that day, I will stand watch with my fellow team mates. Until that day, my sword will not be sheathed. I am not of the belief that all must be exterminated, but I am of the belief that a great number of them must be destroyed. My faith has been tested, my knowledge is assured. I do not operate under the assumptions of dis-belief, I know my cause and it is just.
I believe that this nation is the greatest nation on Earth, that it was protected from all occupiers for most of recorded history, 10's, 100's thousands of years. That is was only discovered in accordance with God's wishes and intent, little as 500 years ago. That a rightous nation could be developed to serve His plans. That freedom was born here. Freedom was spoken elsewhere, but no one was really free, not Rome, Greece, no where. Only here, only now.
I thank God each day for my life. I thank Him for my children, for my family. I thank Him for my blessings. I am absolutely humbled that He remembers me. That he sees to my needs, I have never wanted. I enjoy doing the best I can in everything I do. It has not always been easy, but it has been worth it.
So in closing,
All - be of good cheer, know that you are loved. And may God hold you ever so tender in His loving embrace.
Good night.
WD
FirstClass
12-24-2009, 02:43
I'm sure that at some point in the past, they used swords or axes. I suppose they are going for a more, "hands on" feel. Touch, hold, smell.
Nausea...
I'm sure that at some point in the past, they used swords or axes. I suppose they are going for a more, "hands on" feel. Touch, hold, smell.
Nausea...
I dunno...They're gonna have a hard time living up to the example of their prophet - Big "mo" personally beheaded 900 Jews in one night, tossing their headless bodies in a ditch dug around Medina, and the personal possessions of these 900 men, including da "womenz" and da "chillenz", were divided as booty among Big "mo" and his followers... pretty tall order to follow...
Warrior-Mentor
12-24-2009, 04:56
If Islam is going to survive, or if we are going to survive with Islam, then Islam must correct itself, abide by curtain behaviors and accept those not of Islamic faith. Radical Islamist teach that Muhammed was sent to correct to errors of the old with the new. That Islam was to return the "beleiver to the Gospel. Non-beleivers, blah, blah, blah, etc".
Good post, but Islam isn't going to - and can't - change.
Paraphrasing "He who renounces a part of islam, it is as if he has rejected all of islam."
Which leaves us with much fewer options.
Educate. With the goal to convert to anything other than islam.
Export. Give them a one way ticket back to any sharia compliant country of their choice. Have a nice life and enjoy. Careful what you wish for.
Incarcerate/Exterminate. There are those who will not have it any other way. They've volunteered for violent jihad and want to meet allah. We can help them too. If they can't be captured and tried, they must be killed. We have units that are very good at this. We're going to need more law enforcement officers and they need to be freed from the leash of political correctness.
Good post, but Islam isn't going to - and can't - change.
Paraphrasing "He who renounces a part of islam, it is as if he has rejected all of islam."
Which leaves us with much fewer options.
Educate. With the goal to convert to anything other than islam.
Export. Give them a one way ticket back to any sharia compliant country of their choice. Have a nice life and enjoy. Careful what you wish for.
Incarcerate/Exterminate. There are those who will not have it any other way. They've volunteered for violent jihad and want to meet allah. We can help them too. If they can't be captured and tried, they must be killed. We have units that are very good at this. We're going to need more law enforcement officers and they need to be freed from the leash of political correctness.
I have friends who are originally from Jordan and Lebanon, Christians and have been since the 3rd century. Option B and C work for me, given the fact that expecting them to convert is not-likely. But then again, anything is possible with the Man up stairs.
I'm not sure who wrote the lines, Johnny Cash or Bob Dylan.
God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son",
Abraham says, "Where this killing to be done?".
God says, "Out on Highway 61".
WD
frostfire
12-24-2009, 11:24
Who said, "No educated woman would raise a terrorist son" or at least coined the phrase?
Greg Mortenson
walleyed
12-25-2009, 02:09
This video has shock value and all. There is no context. I could care less about this kid or the muslim he is killing. Americans have certainly been much more ruthless than this in the past and need to be so again. And soon. There is just not enough resolve to do so yet. So much talk, but no action. Air strikes in Yemen are nice will never effect a thing. True believers are just enboldened. We are helpless here, on the internet. Seriously helpless--just typing. Just collecting shocking videos and stories and not creating ones of our own to really make these savages afraid and repulsed.
deepblack 18x
12-25-2009, 07:42
I'm not sure who wrote the lines, Johnny Cash or Bob Dylan.
God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son",
Abraham says, "Where this killing to be done?".
God says, "Out on Highway 61".
WD
It was Bob Dylan the song is called highway 61, Springstein has covered it too.
The Reaper
12-25-2009, 09:26
This video has shock value and all. There is no context. I could care less about this kid or the muslim he is killing. Americans have certainly been much more ruthless than this in the past and need to be so again. And soon. There is just not enough resolve to do so yet. So much talk, but no action. Air strikes in Yemen are nice will never effect a thing. True believers are just enboldened. We are helpless here, on the internet. Seriously helpless--just typing. Just collecting shocking videos and stories and not creating ones of our own to really make these savages afraid and repulsed.
Maybe I have led a sheltered life, but in my years of historical studies, I have no recollection of American children being recorded proudly sawing the heads off of people.
I do agree that we are soon going to have to get medieval or convert, like our European ancestors did. On the other hand, a certain quote from Nietsche comes to mind.
TR
I do agree that we are soon going to have to get medieval or convert, like our European ancestors did. On the other hand, a certain quote from Nietsche comes to mind.
TR
This one?
Extreme positions are not succeeded by moderate ones, but by contrary extreme positions. - Nietzsche
Or this one?
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. Is not life a hundred times too short for us to bore ourselves? - Nietzsche
The Reaper
12-25-2009, 14:45
Or this one?
Yes.
It was a counterpoint to the preceding sentence.
TR
walleyed
12-25-2009, 17:19
I have no recollection of American children being recorded proudly sawing the heads off
TR
I was referring more to population center firestorms from carpet-bombing overHamburg, Dresdent etc. There are no shortage of images from Auschwitz, but we seldom acknowledge our own brutality. The public certainly weren't seeing at time on CNN, and today I am sure there would be an international outcry, unfortunately. But my point was that historically we have certainly gone 'medieval'.
http://www.codoh.com/incon/inconabr.html
DinDinA-2
12-25-2009, 20:15
The dots are not connecting.
The Reaper
12-25-2009, 20:45
I was referring more to population center firestorms from carpet-bombing overHamburg, Dresdent etc. There are no shortage of images from Auschwitz, but we seldom acknowledge our own brutality. The public certainly weren't seeing at time on CNN, and today I am sure there would be an international outcry, unfortunately. But my point was that historically we have certainly gone 'medieval'.
http://www.codoh.com/incon/inconabr.html
What do you think it would take for us to get that serious again?
Obviously, unlike WWII, 3,000 Americans are no longer enough.
Are 30,000? 300,000? 3,000,000? 30,000,000?
TR
Warrior-Mentor
12-25-2009, 21:31
I was referring more to population center firestorms from carpet-bombing overHamburg, Dresdent etc. There are no shortage of images from Auschwitz, but we seldom acknowledge our own brutality. The public certainly weren't seeing at time on CNN, and today I am sure there would be an international outcry, unfortunately. But my point was that historically we have certainly gone 'medieval'.
http://www.codoh.com/incon/inconabr.html
Not sure what you mean by this? "...we seldom acknowledge our own brutality."
You want to talk about brutality? Here's what it takes to survive it.
One of the best books I've ever read is Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl.
I recommended it in GET SELECTED, and I'm recommending it here again.
Get it. It will be the best $3.15 plus shipping you'll spend in the next year.
http://www.amazon.com/Mans-Search-Meaning-Viktor-Frankl/dp/080701429X/ref=tmm_mmp_title_0
Stingray
12-26-2009, 02:40
Incredibly well said Wet Dog.
I believe that greatness once flourished in the Middle East, that Baghdad was once the epicenter of world knowledge, (science, math, astronomy, arts, culture, language, etc.). I beieve that if those who feel 'Islam is Great', then they need to be reminded that it only has gone down hill ever-so-slowly since the 8th century with the introduction of Islam. That perhaps, they should learn that the great teacher of faith has always said, "...by their fruits, ye shall know they are my people". One can judge for themselves the merits of any idealogy, (e.g., Definition: 1. system of social beliefs: a closely organized system of beliefs, values, and ideas forming the basis of a social, economic, or political philosophy or program. 2. meaningful belief system: a set of beliefs, values, and opinions that shapes the way a person or a group such as a social class thinks, acts, and understands the world).
If Islam is going to survive, or if we are going to survive with Islam, then Islam must correct itself, abide by curtain behaviors and accept those not of Islamic faith. Radical Islamist teach that Muhammed was sent to correct to errors of the old with the new. That Islam was to return the "beleiver to the Gospel. Non-beleivers, blah, blah, blah, etc".
If students of religions learn that it is our simularities that unite us, rather than our differences that destroy us. I quickly point out to some of my more Islamic friends, that Muhammed's actions are not often behaviors of a man of God. In comparision to Adam, Noah, Moses, Isaiah, Jerimiah and other who taught "repentance, honor your parents, remove yourself from evil, do good, love your neighbor...", Muhammed falls short.
As I see it in comparision to a parable, all I see is a poor fruit, (idealogy), planted in bad soil, (hearts of man), that will yield no product. At some point even the gardner/care giver will pluck the tree from the vinyard and cast it out. If Islams goal is to "change" everyone, then they will fail. If their goal is to destroy Israel, then we already know how that ends.
I do not believe that all must be exterminated, I do beleive that I would be held accountable to my God, if I felt so. I believe that our military leadership needs to get out of the way, and allow our troops and field commanders the flexibility to do their jobs. But be not surprised here, we were told this was going to happen. Wars and rumors of wars,...all nations will see war and it's horrors, there will be no place on Earth that will be safe.
It is a conflict between right and wrong, between the gospel and false principles. What is the Gospel? Truth is Eternal, it does nor change. The same gospel that was taught anciently, is the same taught today. It has always been, Faith, Sacrifice, Obedience, Love, Acceptance of others, selfless servive, and Honoring God by serving others. "To the least of these my brotheren, you have done it unto me".
I am of the belief that this conflict can only be solved by one solution, and He's not here yet. Until that day, I will stand watch with my fellow team mates. Until that day, my sword will not be sheathed. I am not of the belief that all must be exterminated, but I am of the belief that a great number of them must be destroyed. My faith has been tested, my knowledge is assured. I do not operate under the assumptions of dis-belief, I know my cause and it is just.
I believe that this nation is the greatest nation on Earth, that it was protected from all occupiers for most of recorded history, 10's, 100's thousands of years. That is was only discovered in accordance with God's wishes and intent, little as 500 years ago. That a rightous nation could be developed to serve His plans. That freedom was born here. Freedom was spoken elsewhere, but no one was really free, not Rome, Greece, no where. Only here, only now.
I thank God each day for my life. I thank Him for my children, for my family. I thank Him for my blessings. I am absolutely humbled that He remembers me. That he sees to my needs, I have never wanted. I enjoy doing the best I can in everything I do. It has not always been easy, but it has been worth it.
So in closing,
All - be of good cheer, know that you are loved. And may God hold you ever so tender in His loving embrace.
Good night.
WD
walleyed
12-26-2009, 14:56
What do you think it would take for us to get that serious again?
Obviously, unlike WWII, 3,000 Americans are no longer enough.
Are 30,000? 300,000? 3,000,000? 30,000,000?
TR
Exactly. Totally different back then. There was also a significant loss of material as well then. People were different, much stronger and individualistic; more scared, hungrier and poorer. They were more patriotic and even a bit isolationist at the time. They had a great, though imperfect leader, who had a very close friend and ally in Churchill. The press was on board as well.
Now? We are actually at war, but nobody cares. The enemy walks among us and even murders our own soldiers, on our own bases. They have affected our freedoms and we take it. The press apologizes instead of indicting and rousing us to retaliate. They would never show this video. Our leader, well...and U.K.'s? Our people are soft, fat and weak. Indeed, what will it take to wake up? Answer: they need to hit us big time, somehow. THen, hopefully we get busy and cut their population a significant percentage.
Our people are soft, fat and weak. Indeed, what will it take to wake up? Answer: they need to hit us big time, somehow.
Nice answer/solution.:rolleyes::mad:
Good thing Our United States Military is fighting and dying to keep this type of shit from happeneing here on Our soil again, IMVHO!!!
WTH???:confused:
Holly
deepblack 18x
12-26-2009, 16:43
The press was on board as well.
I think that is the one of the larger issues. Back then the press were Americans first and reporters second, now a days the only stories you would be hearing are the atrocities that our military is committing, not about the enemy taking the heads of innocent people.
walleyed
12-26-2009, 18:24
Nice answer/solution.:rolleyes::mad:
Good thing Our United States Military is fighting and dying to keep this type of shit from happeneing here on Our soil again, IMVHO!!!
WTH???:confused:
Holly
I respect this sentiment and suspect most of the warriors/sheepdogs feel exactly the same. Wouldn't want it any other way.
Answer: they need to hit us big time, somehow. THen, hopefully we get busy and cut their population a significant percentage.
I can't believe that I'm agreeing with the idea that it will take yet another episode larger than 9/11 to wake up America, (but if 3,000 was not enough, then I'm betting 30,000 won't be either).
I would hope we could remain safe, but that is unlikely. If it is to happen, then I hope it happens quickly, and our leaders do not sit idle wondering what we could have done to prevent it.
I'm more or less taking the political position as seen in Geronimo agianst his enemies of his day.
Stingray
05-10-2010, 06:37
Roger that, Brothers stick together.
Does anyone remember Nick Berg, who died on Saturday, May 01, 2004, Iraq;
cause of death: execution
The terrorists forced him down rather quickly, bouncing his skull on the floor, that alone would have put me out. His hands were not placed behind him, but in front. Nick struggled, but only for a moment. Loss of static blood pressure in under 3 seconds, he was gone. In my opinion, in recent years, the executioners have only gotten better. Not only better, but younger. In this video, the women were holding him down, (talk about irony). In Nick's execution, the killer had to hold the victim alone.
I hold all in party responsible. The parents, the bystanders, the camera guy. This is not an isolated event - human desentcy is this scenario is gone.
The victim, their own countryman. The "worm has definately turned".
I'm blessed to live the USA, were in if my neighbor thought another was doing harm, they would step in and put matters into their own hands, law suit be damned, doing the right thing is still doing the right thing.
WD
p.s., this is my idea of parenting: (attached) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmVI0NzkHys&feature=related
In the final analysis, brothers stick together. Who's with me?
Thank you for posting this video. I made myself watch this but much like armymom, I had to stop, get it together and start again.
That was quite possibly one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen. I don't advocate unnecessarily exposing people to gruesome violence but maybe if more people crawled out from under their rocks and saw things like that, it would change the opinions of the masses.
I was on the Hostage Working Group in Baghdad. I watched a lot of these videos. Indeed there is a part of your soul that is sacrificed when doing this work. That video is among one of the more disturbing ones because of the age of the executioner, but I still think the worst are the ones of children being beheaded.
The most disturbing thing about most of them is the way the hostages would just sit still and allow the beheading to happen. I talked to our psych doc (the one that handled the detainees), he said it was because people's brains could not process what was going on. He said what was going through their heads when it happened was simply "this isn't really happening". That was their last thought.
I think that inability to mentally process that level of brutality is a telescoping issue. When I watched the videos at first I remember thinking "This doesn't look real." It looked like a badly made horror movie, because that is the only scenario in which we could accept the idea that men will cut other men's heads off. But the more I watched them and the more I knew the people of that culture, the more realistic the videos were.
The next level of the telescoping issue is organizational. I found it very hard to get support and resources for hostage rescue unless it was a US citizen. The hostage taking was having a profound effect of the area because of the fear it inspired, especially once it became a growth industry for criminals to get money as well as for ideological and political gain. The beheading of children became increasingly common. We had hundreds of videos of men, women and children kneeling on concrete floors and dirt roads. Still nobody wanted to acknowledge hostage taking and beheadings as a serious problem.
These videos are made on a daily basis and yet you NEVER see them in the news. The West is sitting still on it's knees as Islam holds a machete to our throats.
This IS happening.
Irish_Army01
07-17-2010, 19:42
I just posted this on an Irish Military Site..I think everyone should know what these are capable of all in the name of their fucked up religion!..
I think anyone in the west who considers islam a "peacefull" religion should be forced to watch this over and over! No Parent should let their Child see this let alone do it!
I talked to our psych doc (the one that handled the detainees), he said it was because people's brains could not process what was going on. He said what was going through their heads when it happened was simply "this isn't really happening". That was their last thought.
... This IS happening.
As I watched this video this was the thought running through my head! "I'm not seeing this, this isn't happening" I took it in and reflected on it. I have seen some fairly gruesome things before growing up on a ranch and farm along the lines of horses and livestock, as well as other videos online but I have to admit this got to me.
I would like to second what others on here have said by saying that we should stick to our Faith and our ideals. Because if we alter those to fix a certain problem we are facing then in essence we change who we are. I'm not talking about ROE but how we treat human beings in general.
Thank you Wet Dog for your amazing words earlier.
Thank you WM for your passion that brought us this link.
God Bless
Barn Owl
07-27-2010, 08:52
I still think the worst are the ones of children being beheaded.
It looked like a badly made horror movie, because that is the only scenario in which we could accept the idea that men will cut other men's heads off. But the more I watched them and the more I knew the people of that culture, the more realistic the videos were.
Nobody wanted to acknowledge hostage taking and beheadings as a serious problem.
These videos are made on a daily basis and yet you NEVER see them in the news. The West is sitting still on it's knees as Islam holds a machete to our throats.
This IS happening.
Blender, you sum up so much so well. I agree with it all. People can't process brutality. They'd rather pretend it doesn't exist than confront the situation.
In '06, we pushed into a no-go neighborhood and found beheader CDs where crowds of hundreds, even thousands, watched AQ behead kids in their early teens. Many of the people shouting had the same blank look in their eyes as the hostages.
I think most people, whether American citizens or native bystanders, lack the emotional strength to confront true brutality. It's very hard to look the monster in the face, and that's why atrocity is such an effective tool for keeping others in line.
Barn Owl
PS By pure chance, we got one of the beheaders, his superior, and their PSD in an airstrike about a month later. That post-strike analysis was the most satisfying thing I've ever put to paper.
Remember - it's a big world of beheading out there - ain't just an Islamic fundi thing - it's a 'terrorist propaganda' and 'criminal' and 'theological fundi' thing - always has been.
Here are just a few examples:
Mexico’s Calderon Says Beheadings Signal Cartels’ Desperation
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ayhqQSwsN5_s
Kenyan police arrest members of sect blamed for murders
http://wwrn.org/articles/26680/
Mine turned into bottomless pit of death
http://mafiatoday.com/general-breaking-news/mine-turned-into-bottomless-pit-of-death/
Beheadings On the Rise in Bulawayo During World Cup
http://allafrica.com/stories/201007020481.html
'Gang behind' Togo's beheadings
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7017939.stm
Beheadings In Guatemalan Jail Riot
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=81d_1227460742
Richard :munchin
Barn Owl
07-29-2010, 09:06
Remember - it's a big world of beheading out there - ain't just an Islamic fundi thing
With respect, in this case, it is 'just an Islamic Fundi Thing.' There's a giant gap between beheading a child in public, in daylight, in front of a crowd on videotape and the examples on your list.
Superstitious Beheading in Africa: Victims were killed in secret because their heads contained magical power = their heads had financial value. Fatal robbery, pure and simple. If the local shaman wanted toes instead of heads, we would be reading about survivors with missing toes, instead of corpses missing heads. The actual act of decapitation has no significance to anyone but the victim. The suffering of the victim does not further the perp's agenda and it is not aimed at the local population. The whole event is supposed to be secret because the participants, however backwards, acknowledge that what they are doing is bad.
Turf Beheading in African Slum / South American Prison: Hard to use the term victim here. Violent felons behead a gang leader in a place where local authority permits crime and violence. The perp and the victim could trade places and the story would read exactly the same. They selected one another as targets in a kill-or-be-killed struggle for turf. Decapitation has significance to the victim, who merited a special death because he was a prominent, dangerous adversary. His suffering is aimed at other violent felons in the slum or prison, to protect the perp from retaliation. It has no significance to people outside the slum/prison who are not members of MS-13 or Munginka or whatever gang.
Cartel Turf Beheading in Mexico: Getting warmer, but we're still dealing with rational actors. Beheading to increase market share and lower operating costs. Victim decapitated to frighten local civilians, law enforcement, or a rival gangs. The deed is still done in the dark. Victim's death has signifiance, but not his suffering ... the perps want to avoid witnesses, not create them, and decapitations are aimed at specific local groups, a courthouse, a police squad, a neighborhood, etc. Thevictim likely violated a specific, well-known rule... accept bribes, don't snitch, don't cooperate with rival gangs, don't violate turf boundaries. The target was specifically selected for something they did.
Mujahideen Beheading of Children or by Children: The target and perp were selected for their significance to witnesses. Decapitation done in daylight and on videotape to increase the number of witnesses. The violence is an assault on the minds of the witnesses as much as it is an attack on the life of the victim, and in this case, on the innocence of the perp. Where the cartel's message is "Stay out of our business" the Mujahideen message is "Get into my business/Participate in my violence." Children are involved because their presence works greater emotional violence and conveys a greater threat to anyone who watches. The tape will be sent beyond the borders of the town or state as a deliberate threat to people these specific mujahideen will never meet.
Perps from the other three examples would likely object to the Muj beheading. The Prison and Slum gangs limit their deliberate violence to other gang members and to people who directly interact with their gang. If kids or bystanders die, they are collateral damage, and their suffering is downplayed. Prison and slum gangs avoid responsibility for bystanders whenver possible because the bystanders often represent neighbors, family members, or even clients. Even the African shaman would object to the Muj beheading, if only because the Muj aren't motivated by robbery, and they don't perform any incantations over the severed head.
So, simple version, because the Muj target selection process deliberately picks soft, innocent targets, because the actual perp derives no material benefit from the violence, because they use the suffering of the vic as a form of violence against witnesses, and because they intentionally increase the number of witnesses beyond the local boundary of their community, I believe they commit a different, far more severe crime than the people in these other examples.
Barn Owl
Interesting - but I fail to see how your lengthy argument refutes the point that "it's a big world of beheading out there - ain't just an Islamic fundi thing - it's a 'terrorist propaganda' and 'criminal' and 'theological fundi' thing - always has been."
Perhaps I should also point out that I did choose to leave out the use of beheading as a form of 'legal punishment' by a recognized government as it was of no importance to the thesis.
And so it goes...;)
Richard :munchin
Barn Owl
07-29-2010, 12:50
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Barn Owl
bubblehead
07-29-2010, 13:37
I think anyone in the west who considers islam a "peacefull" religion..
There is a difference between Radical Islam and Islam.
There is a difference between Radical Islam and Islam.
Can you explain the difference between orthodox Islam and Radical Islam that does not teach warfare against unbelievers and their subjugation under Islamic law ? :confused:
I would sincerely like to know how the radicals are violating the tenets of their faith, and how they are not following the example of their exemplary prophet, Muhammad ? :confused:
Edited to add:
The Objectives of Jihad
o9.0
(O: Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the religion.
o9.1 Jihad is a communal obligation (def: c3.2). When enough people perform it to successfully accomplish it, it is no longer obligatory upon others.
o9.6 It is offensive to conduct a military expedition against hostile non-Muslims without the Caliph’s permission (A: though if there is no Caliph (def: o25), no permission is required.
(The Reliance of the Traveler. Pgs 599-609)
Islam is the only major world religion today that is cited by both state and non-state actors to legitimize beheadings. And two major aspects of decapitation in an Islamic context should be noted: first, the practice has both Qur'anic and historical sanction. It is not the product of a fabricated tradition. Second, in contradiction to the assertions of apologists, both Muslim and non-Muslim, these beheadings are not simply a brutal method of drawing attention to the Islamist political agenda and weakening opponents' will to fight. Zarqawi and other Islamists who practice decapitation believe that God has ordained them to obliterate their enemies in this manner. Islam is, for this determined minority of Muslims, anything but a "religion of peace." It is, rather, a religion of the sword with the blade forever at the throat of the unbeliever.
Source > http://www.meforum.org/713/beheading-in-the-name-of-islam
:munchin
Yep - somebody needs to take it upon themselves to write a New Testament to the Quran so Islam can then push through their own version of the Reformation and quit selling suicide bomber indulgences and we can all move on to the 11th Commandment - Thou shalt leave everyone else the hell alone.
Until then - and so it goes...:(
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Thou shalt leave everyone else the hell alone.
I like it although I disagree, it should be the first Commandment :D
I like it although I disagree, it should be the first Commandment :D
Yeah - but, unfortunately, the first one is already taken - and it's a real trouble maker.
I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
And so it goes...
Richard's $.02 :munchin